Northern Monkey

He was shit again yesterday, and it doesn't look as if he has that much of a future with them, but he's out of our league.

i didn't think even some of the fans on here would be that mental but yes, at least 2 of them are. Incredible.

I know but a lot of it is down to the Media and the agents i.e. Player reads press about how he should move clubs so he will get picked for England/play in Europe/etc, agent tells player he should move, agent tells the media to start dropping the hints. But that isn't the media engineering it. Its the agent and usually the player using the media as a tool, nothing more.

i'm gonna punch you in the teeth. I bet you're not.

I should hope not. Text speak is dreadful. And THINKING in text speak would be, well, unthinkable.

How about Allardyce just gets rid, and we forget about him? That would be preferabe, rather than once again painting poor Luque as the martyred hero.

The media rarely manufacture player moves. They may play a part in the process, but its blinkered to think that the vast majority of high profile moves aren't engineered by the players and their agents, or bigger clubs just coming alongwith their chequebooks.

his disappearing act when we're against big clubs or losing? the lack of actual end product? Never/very rarely used properly in his time here. Could be so good for us and i really hope Sam gets the best out of him. let me guess, you used to watch a lot of Italian league and Turkish internaitonal football, so you know just how fantastic he is. :lol: Erm, no mate. I've watched Emre the Newcastle United player for the past two seasons, and have managed to pick up that he is far better for us, and on the whole far more effective, when played in an advanced position - somewhere where he simply hasn't played enough. Rather than deep central mid or out on the left. Hope that answers your query. so you've seen him go missing agianst the big clubs, and when we were losing. And thats whose fault exactly? To say he 'goes missing' isn't really a very good observation, if he isn't in the game already. Which he very rarely was when Roeder played him - largely down to how he was utilised and the tactics used. Emre needs to be in a flowing, attacking, passing team, with him being in an advanced position penetrating the defense - not deep in a long, defensive team. so, surprisingly, its not his fault. he shouldn't have any responsibility to get into the game, or anything else. and th away games that he's never even seemed arsed? oh, and if you accept he has not been involved, to the point of it not being his fault he has not turned up against the big teams, how can you claim to have seen enough since he's been with us to know what a great player he is??

you build on strength, not medicority/weaknesses/potential. So why would you not want them in your squad?? Which one of those 3 players that i have mentioned is mediocre? parker. You think parker is mediocre?? Now, i agree that he isn't the best of players, and has hada poor season, but to call him mediocre seems a tad OTT, its clear hes a good player, how he fits into te first team am sure would have a lot of bearing on his performances. The only type of players i would want to see leave would be the bad ones, the ones causing all the discontent, the ones who aren;t commited and the ones who aren't actually good players. But parkers is a good solid player to have. in your opinion. from what i've seen, we could do without him.

Ironic really - chastising people for knowing nothing about football - then with the next breath saying Luque is better than Viduka. Wake up, take your Albert Luque pyjamas off and join us in the real world. Viduka is lazy, and does not seem all that bothered, same with Luque, but Viduka has been given a chance in English football, Luque has not! There attitudes are similar, but Luque has for more ability. Utter, utter, utter drivel and bollocks. you.re right, of course. Yep. Viduka is not lazy. He puts himself about and is an absolute menace in the box. Only the cynics call him lazy, but the truth is he's given everything to Boro. Viduka is very much bothered, again - the cynics say that he doesn't care, he's playing for contracts and whatnot - but he's been scoring goals prolifically so season after season. He's not pushing himself to the limit just to play for contracts, he's just a damned good player. Viduka's attitude and Luque's attitudes are not in the slightest bit similar. I wouldn't say that Luque had far more ability either, but it's difficult to judge because they are two entirely different sorts of players. define prolific. oh, and quote in context, cheers. You said i was 'right, of course' - then put a full-stop. I picked up on that piece of information, whether it was sarcastic or not; the rest of the post was irrelevant - i wanted to pick up on that bit. Anyhow, Viduka's record in Britain, in all competitions: Celtic - 47 Apps, 35 Goals Leeds - 162 Apps, 72 Goals Middlesbrough - 80 Apps, 42 Goals And, for the three seasons that he has been at Boro - he has reached double figures. That's fairly good going... pretty much consistently prolific to me. But he's fat, lazy and only an decent-to-poor striker. league goals is the only real comparitor. a really good player gets 1 in 2, say. 1 in 4 is nowhere near good enough for the main man. this season - 1 in 2. last season - 1 in 4 season before - 1 in 3. season before - 1 in 3. he's not a great player. he's had a cracking season, but a player who is 32 at the start of next season? no ta.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:nPVanwF1-U49UM:http://www.hat.net/album/middle_east/004_egypt/day_44_bahariyya/023_donkey_shit_s.jpg http://www.icons.com/images/home2/pic_ameobi_1.gif I'm not a racialist. Its just that in footballing terms, he IS a big pile of steaming donkey shite.

his disappearing act when we're against big clubs or losing? the lack of actual end product? Never/very rarely used properly in his time here. Could be so good for us and i really hope Sam gets the best out of him. let me guess, you used to watch a lot of Italian league and Turkish internaitonal football, so you know just how fantastic he is. :lol: Erm, no mate. I've watched Emre the Newcastle United player for the past two seasons, and have managed to pick up that he is far better for us, and on the whole far more effective, when played in an advanced position - somewhere where he simply hasn't played enough. Rather than deep central mid or out on the left. Hope that answers your query. so you've seen him go missing agianst the big clubs, and when we were losing. And thats whose fault exactly?

you build on strength, not medicority/weaknesses/potential. So why would you not want them in your squad?? Which one of those 3 players that i have mentioned is mediocre? parker.

you genuinely think that all of our players give a fuk about NUFC?

Ironic really - chastising people for knowing nothing about football - then with the next breath saying Luque is better than Viduka. Wake up, take your Albert Luque pyjamas off and join us in the real world. Viduka is lazy, and does not seem all that bothered, same with Luque, but Viduka has been given a chance in English football, Luque has not! There attitudes are similar, but Luque has for more ability. Utter, utter, utter drivel and bollocks. you.re right, of course. Yep. Viduka is not lazy. He puts himself about and is an absolute menace in the box. Only the cynics call him lazy, but the truth is he's given everything to Boro. Viduka is very much bothered, again - the cynics say that he doesn't care, he's playing for contracts and whatnot - but he's been scoring goals prolifically so season after season. He's not pushing himself to the limit just to play for contracts, he's just a damned good player. Viduka's attitude and Luque's attitudes are not in the slightest bit similar. I wouldn't say that Luque had far more ability either, but it's difficult to judge because they are two entirely different sorts of players. define prolific. oh, and quote in context, cheers.

we shpuldn't build a squad on thugs, any more than we should on poor players.

and again, look.

you build on strength, not medicority/weaknesses/potential.

i hope one day we are big enough to be looked at and spoken about with envy rather than contempt. Man Utd were shite today, and they'd still have raped us.

his disappearing act when we're against big clubs or losing? the lack of actual end product? Never/very rarely used properly in his time here. Could be so good for us and i really hope Sam gets the best out of him. let me guess, you used to watch a lot of Italian league and Turkish internaitonal football, so you know just how fantastic he is. :lol:

What opinion? Opinion by definition is weighing up the pro's and con's. Since when did bitching and whining count as 'opinion'? bored now. you get questionned on your ridiculous policy, and you change your tack. what a shock.

Ironic really - chastising people for knowing nothing about football - then with the next breath saying Luque is better than Viduka. Wake up, take your Albert Luque pyjamas off and join us in the real world. Viduka is lazy, and does not seem all that bothered, same with Luque, but Viduka has been given a chance in English football, Luque has not! There attitudes are similar, but Luque has for more ability. Utter, utter, utter drivel and bollocks. you.re right, of course. Viduka has shown himself to be a poor-to-decent striker. Luque has shown himself to be a shithouse.

Your signature suggests a lot of bitterness towards our former managers. Are you Sam-bashing because you can't bear to be disappointed by yet another Big Hope? Do you even know what hope means? You don't feel any bitterness towards Souness or Roeder? Good for you, then. Your signature suggests a lot of bitterness towards our former managers. Are you Sam-bashing because you can't bear to be disappointed by yet another Big Hope? Do you even know what hope means? You don't feel any bitterness towards Souness or Roeder? Good for you, then. Not really. I thought they were poor appointments in the first place. I am very happy with the appointment of Allardyce though and I will happily raise his flag right now. Who's your answer? Or are you good for carping only? So let me get this right - i can only be reserved about a new manager if I have another name that i'd rather have?? I can't just have some reservations, no? I can't just try to add a little realism into the mass frenzy? Since when do fans have to be able to name an alternative just to be able to voice an opinion?

his disappearing act when we're against big clubs or losing? the lack of actual end product?

Grainger market shoplifters?