Rich

He'll get every penny back and more when he sells, unless we do something. If we continue to turn up regardless, he can hold out for the price he wants, we stop going, he'll be forced to accept less. We're the muppets "subsidising" the club, we dont get out money back. You either want him out or you don't. He's a businessman, he'd want some sort of profit if he sold it on. That's the way it is. That's what would stick with me, if it was true. If he's looking to make money from his time here then it leaves a very sour taste indeed. It's like me buying a clapped out car and crashing it a few times and then trying to sell it on for more than I paid for it.

That's what he wanted to do. The failure to do so is because he was too stupid to do his homework and he walked into a booby trap left by SJH. Speculation again mate. There's absolutely no proof to say he was here to make a quick buck. Why go to all the trouble with meetings and all that and sitting with the fans if that was the case? A lot doesn't add up if that was the case. He's made mistakes, aye, his structure hasn't worked yet, but howay man.

Very good idea here.

I'm still not convinced Mike Ashley is "evil" like, whatever has happened.

Hear, hear. It's very easy for people to sit on here and scoff at their suggestions but the fact that people are unwilling to go to the Irish Centre and bring these apparently salient points up shows them up as feckless keyboard warriors. There have been a few idiots on tonight but for the most part the people there have been well spoken and knowledgable. Certainly much more knowledgable than people on here. I think its great, whoever had this idea and put it all together wants a pat on the back. Fills me with hope. Here we all are on the web, on a Newcastle forum as Newcastle fans listening to Newcastle fans at a bar in the Toon discussing the future of the club, united to try and do something positive. Top stuff and listening makes me wish I was there to have my own say and I imagine others listening will wish they were there too and hopefully this stream will get some of these listeners along next time. I know I'll be there. I bet you fucking won't.

Fair point on the wider view, something I wanted NUFC to do themselves when we had the dialogue with Chris Mort. You cannot base things on a few blokes off websites or off 250 fans who mainly want Mike Ashley out, you need to get the season ticket holders involved and see what the majority view is. Something has to be done to inspire everyone to get involved and have their view on things.

Luke Edwards.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php He's gone off there and there's been no mention of him being injured anywhere in print this week as far as I'm aware. The bloke is made from coltan.

Probably not but one has just scored a massive goal and put in a shift half-fit for Kinnear (who seems to love him anyway) and the other is by far and away our biggest threat in away games, so I'd expect that's the way it's going to be if neither of them get knocks before Saturday. I think it's possibly the most brainless/frustrating combination we could come up with, personally, but we'll see how it goes... can't ever remember being impressed with them up top together in their previous games.

Doubtful. Unless you fancy 'Boro at Man City...

Will be very surprised to see anything other than: Harper S. Taylor Coloccini Bassong Enrique R. Taylor Butt Nolan Duff Ameobi Martins SUBS: Krul, Edgar, Geremi, Lovenkrands, Smith, Carroll, Viduka. 2-2 draw, loads of talk on the radio about having 4 strikers on the bench...

De Mul is a decent shout but we don't need another Lw, and as JCM I've not seen him since his time in Germany has he improved? De Mul is a right winger... Nixon, I'm beginning to think you're a bit of a blagger ...I suspect I may be late to the party... Sorry for making a simple mistake, I forgot you weren't allowed to do that here. And yes I was talking of Menesguez when I said Germany. For christ sake 1 mistake and you think I use Wikipedia. How can you not of heard of De Mul? Menesguez fair enough because it's been a couple of years since he was at Wolfsburg, but Tom De Mul is what I would consider a good sized name. Also I'd probably pass on Dalla Bona would want a good sized contract, when he's a bit nomadic. (Wasn't just that post that set the alarm bells ringing Nixon! I've been suspicious since day one.)

Lovenkrands is apparently at his most effective on the left side of a front 3. If he still has half the pace he had at Rangers him and Martins would be a scary prospect for defenders to face. Nothing wrong with your post, but it's a sad state how much emphasis pace and physical attributes has on the modern game. Not necessarily. People just think "quicker = better" automatically, not considering how to get these sorts of players into the best positions possible and having technically gifted players to get the best out of them. It's handy having one or two speed merchants in the team, but that's as far as it goes. The best teams aren't necessarily the quickest although they do tend to be able to play the game at a high tempo. EDIT: Even for the physical side of it, the best teams can still get by without it to a good extent. For every team like that there's a Stoke or a Portsmouth though.

Who plays the Owen role then though? IMO Lovenkrands is backup to Martins all being well. Can't see them being much use together.

I must admit to forgetting completely about Lovenkrands :-[ Still an unknown quantity like, but you'd hope he could "do" the Martins role in that formation to a certain extent. Wouldn't be in my first XI.

That was just a temporary measure with the players we currently have available. A genuine first XI would see me pick Beye in for S. Taylor, put Owen in for Butt and swap him with Nolan. I'd stick Barton in for R. Taylor on the right. Krul, S. Taylor, R. Taylor, Butt, Guthrie, Lovenkrands & Ameobi would be the subs, which starts to show the paucity of the squad.

I had to give mine up anyway with moving away on a much more permanent basis and not having the cash readily available in the summer, but have still managed to spend a couple of hundred quid on home games when I've been in that neck of the woods. Still can't get one next season though. I would if I could.

In reality I haven't a clue what Joe considers his best team or his favourite players and couldn't even begin to predict a starting XI if he had the whole squad fit and available for selection. I just know Xisco wouldn't get picked.

You'll notice I tailed off severely towards the end Harper Taylor Colocinni Bassong Enrique R. Taylor Butt Jonas Nolan Viduka Martins It's fucking awful having to choose between Butt, Duff and Smith like! I've gone for Butty as he'll no doubt be captain and Nolan might come to life given the freedom of that role (knows where the goal is, even moreso in comparison to playing Duff/Smith in there).

Seriously though, it appears the attacking players in particular believe in that system (do they just want to start?) from what Owen, Martins and Viduka have said about it and we're hardly pulling up trees with 4-4-2 and only one good winger.

Let's play fantasy football for a moment: Call me crazy, but a midfield three of Nolan - Butt - Jonas would excite the pants off me if we played that formation again, simply for how much more it could potentially offer than Geremi - Butt - Barton. Quicker and harder working on both sides of Butt, who many benefit again from having more cover in there and from having to do less running. I honestly think Jonas could be lethal in that position, as Barton saw a lot of the ball during that spell but didn't really take much advantage of the space he had and was obviously incapable of beating a man. I suppose most will say "R. Taylor - Nolan - Jonas" due to their hatred of Nicky Butt and his poor recent form and I wouldn't be averse to that being given a try either. We'd retain the set-piece threat that Geremi offered then, while having Taylor in positions to get the ball in like Gezza did last season. Obviously the sticking point is who plays the Owen role while he's out... probably Smith or Duff I would imagine, which wouldn't be quite as effective... but you'd still have Oba and the Duke up there to cover for that loss. In reality: Viduka will break down again or even if he doesn't Smith/Ameobi would get picked ahead of him, JFK would probably never play 4-3-3 and it's all just a load of bollocks really as there'll no doubt be other injuries to key players to cock up even the vague hope of it.

You're not an atypical NUFC fan though, as you've said recently. I'm talking about the regulars at games who don't frequent the likes of this place (i.e. the majority). Patronising view tbh Merely meant those that aren't addicted to the internet/stocked-up on to-the-minute news about NUFC and who generally aren't as negative as a lot on here are. Wish I was one of them again to be honest. Ignorance is bliss.

You're not an atypical NUFC fan though, as you've said recently. I'm talking about the regulars at games who don't frequent the likes of this place (i.e. the majority).

Basically, I can just imagine he reads a name on here he hasn't heard before, heads onto Wikipedia or whatever and does a quick read-up on them and then makes some comments like the ones above. "Oh I haven't seen him since he was a 5 year old at River Plate", etc.

He was talking about Juan Carlos Menseguez, who did play in Germany.