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not just me then. Same. Knees gone. I too thought this. He looked absolutely knackered! Lol yeah i turned to my mate and said oh f**k he's done himself in that's him out for a while. Is he saying a prayer or something when he does this? sorry if it's a daft question like but i really don't know why he does it Yup Muslims do that as a way of thanking God after they get/done something good

And what agenda is that? How will the club selling Tiote have a positive effect on me..? As if someone like you wont have a 'i told you so' smug moment afterwards It's more than just being smug about being proven 'right'. It fits in into the extreme view that the Ashley regime is the devil incarnate and we need a revolution by supporting NUSC or some crap like that. Look most people are worried bout Tiote and January, there is absolutely no need to fuel that by baseless comments that we are not playing him so that we can protect him from injury because we've decided to sell him. You've got absolutely no proof to say that and yet you like to spout such rubbish. For what?

so still no firm idea of when he'll be back?

could not agree more. There's arguing/debating because you believe in a point, then there's 'ronalding' (new term on NO) i.e. using logic that you yourself know makes you look idiotic Like when you said Ben Arfa was better than Rooney and admitted you were a 'fanboy'? Given the fact most of your posts these days are in response or relation to mine, I'm beginning to worry that extends to me. Shows how low you would go. You took my comment of HBA vs Rooney completely out of context. I said that HBA was better in some areas and yes I do think he's a better dribbler with better close control. As for most of my posts these days supposedly being in response or relation to yours, that's simply not true but if you do feel like it, that's probably because most of your posts are quite idiotic and are begging for a response, this being the most recent example. The why do you feel the need to respond? We've established that I think Ben Arfa isn't a second striker and you disagree with this - going so far as calling my assertion idiotic. Sounds like you have some serious insecurities about your favourite player. Or you've just reacted personally to my opinions. It's laughable how many of you seem to have an almost sexual interest in the lad, it's disgusting. We're not talking about some magnificent, complete footballer here; we're talking about a good player with a couple of exceptional attributes that hopefully we'll be able to harness. The part that was idiotic is when you asserted baselessly that Pardew should not play HBA if he wants to win. And the super evidence you used to back your statement is that we didn't beat Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea when HBA played. Wullie pulled you up on this and I simply called it an idiotic statement because that's what it is and the worst part is you know it too. You're actually a capable poster worth debating against but at times you come up with ridiculous logic just to prove that you are right.

could not agree more. There's arguing/debating because you believe in a point, then there's 'ronalding' (new term on NO) i.e. using logic that you yourself know makes you look idiotic Like when you said Ben Arfa was better than Rooney and admitted you were a 'fanboy'? Given the fact most of your posts these days are in response or relation to mine, I'm beginning to worry that extends to me. Shows how low you would go. You took my comment of HBA vs Rooney completely out of context. I said that HBA was better in some areas and yes I do think he's a better dribbler with better close control. As for most of my posts these days supposedly being in response or relation to yours, that's simply not true but if you do feel like it, that's probably because most of your posts are quite idiotic and are begging for a response, this being the most recent example.

When Hughton hit that slump of LDLDL you mentioned, who did we lose to?

could not agree more. There's arguing/debating because you believe in a point, then there's 'ronalding' (new term on NO) i.e. using logic that you yourself know makes you look idiotic

Fair enough. I can't be arsed to dig up old post, but pretty sure he was accused of all the above when he played counter attack with men behind the ball against Barca last season. I do agree with you though that the only way to beat Barca is to play counter with pace.

That's right because Ronaldo never dictated the game when he played for Man Utd. Still think that part of the reason why Messi does so well is because he plays in a team built around him. Until he proves that he can play at the same level either for Argentina or for another club team, there will alway be that nagging doubt of how good he really is and rightfully so.

Ya and when he does play counter attack with men behind the ball like when the few times Madrid beat Barca, he gets labelled as anti football and accused of playing boring defensive football including by the likes of yourself. Dam if he does and dam if he doesn't

To be honest though, most the animosity generated by the Carroll transfer was the fact that we left it so late. It was difficult to spot anyone arguing about the fee. People argued about the fee. Plenty of people were saying they wouldn't sell at any price tbh. Probably right tbf, 35m is worthless when it's not actually reinvested. Yup quite a few mentioned not at any price and I pointed out that was stupid because 99% of football players do have a price and when that price is reached 99% clubs will sell. However having seen how that 35M (or not even a big chunk of it) has been reinvested into the team (as I was expecting), I'm now more than happy to join the "not at any price" brigade for the likes of Tiote, Colo...etc. There's no point of selling even at ridiculously high price if it is not going to be reinvested into the team.

Well there's also that 35M who I hear can also play CB

Yup but to me his stubbornness in persisting with Raylor despite being raped several times over in at least 2-3 games is already a huge minus.

This would only involve two signings,one of them apparently already done..... Krul Santon. Taylor. Colo. New LB Guthrie. Tiote. Cabaye Ben Arfa. Maiga Ba That looks tasty, Ronaldo is gonna start foaming in the mouth though that his manlove Best might not be in the first team, which would make it even better!

What did you mean by this then? The two sentences are to be read disjunctively like the mad rambling of a senile 80 year old who no longer has a coherent thought process? OK if you prefer that then being an idiot

We did play a top team today, we played a team that were on 1 point less than us and one place below us before kick-off. Before kick-off we were 4th and they were 5th and that's on form so far this season. Where they are or aren't by January is irrelevant to how they've played so far this season. If you think Chelsea have looked like a top team recently you simply haven't been watching the matches. Arsenal put 5 past them; defensive Livepool put 4 past them at Stamford Bridge in 2 games; QPR beat them; Man U demolished them; in europe they've been absolutely all over the place. They aren't a top team anymore. But they still have some top players capable of bumming our bad ones. They are very capable of beating any of the top sides barring City as well. Poor form doesn't make them finished by any means. Stop acting as if they are on a par with Villa, they are still clearly a class above. They're the 6th best team in the league in my view. Sad state if we can't aim to get a result against such a team at home. Everything about this post is wrong. What's wrong about it? Do you think we should be aiming to get beat at home? As you said yourself, that's the level of misunderstanding and immaturity I'd expect from a teenager. Of course we should aim to beat Chelsea, but the fact that we lost against them had more to do with Raylor being repeatedly raped on the left and losing Colo than an ineffective HBA. Man City and Man Utd away & Chelsea at home are probably the toughest fixtures we've had so far, you're just using HBA's mediocre on and off performances to root for your idol Best and you know it yourself, that's why you're an idiot (like you've said of others). You're as much a fanboy of Best as 2 others are fanboys of HBA.

We'll reach that number easily after he scores against Chelsea!

You're right, there's not much difference except that the statement you just quoted wasn't what was told to us last week or the week before that...etc. It's always he's close to a come back, a come back that has been continuously deferred for quite a few times already.

I'm actually quite pissed with this situation and it has nothing to do with speculative rumors. I hate it when we are unable to be even reasonably accurate with injury comebacks. I get the whole nobody knows with injury and return dates sometime moves depending on pace of recovery but with us, its always, "he'll play next week" (with some confidence), then when next week comes, "oops sorry he is not ready yet". It's taking the piss and feels like being stringed along, basically Pardew is doing an Enrique to us. If we are not sure on recovery dates, I'd rather Pardew just come out and declare that "Tiote has a bad injury and recovery takes time, at this moment we can't give any range of dates for his comeback" the the whole "he is close to comeback" bullshit!

I'm interested to know too. I use the Opta Stats which is kind of cool but that's more on stats...etc

Fair enough Thomas, thanks for taking the trouble to try and explain it. It's just so hard for me to find some sort of closure this way.

what's your problem? Absolute no need to censor or the personal attacks. I'm not in anyway demeaning his death, if anything I'm saying that he deserves more. Buzz off!

Might have been posted before from Sheraer http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3965783/Gary-Speed-news-Alan-Shearer-opens-his-heart.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football I refused to believe that he took his own life. I know there are people saying that people who are depressed don't show it sometimes, whilst maybe you can hide the depression, but to me it is just impossible that someone who could be laughing and making plans for next week for next year could take his own life within 12 hours, unless something horribly wrong happened and Speed was a clean man by all accounts. Maybe others find it easy to just rationalized the incomprehensible that way...he took his life because he was depressed and we can't understand it because we didn't go through what he did. No f***ing way, taking your life is no easy decision, it's not something you do in a flash, there must have been some thought process, some deliberation involved. I wish the police would not just wash their hands off and say nothing is suspicious, how do you know if you don't f***ing launch a full investigation?! It's a cop out to accept his death so easily. Maybe I just can't accept that one of my heroes took his own life, but I'm convinced he was murdered and then the f***er disguised it as suicide. Police never said it was a suicide. well some tosh about nothing suspicious and therefore not investigating further. Plus if he was found hanging and the police said nothing is suspicious, isn't that one of the most obvious conclusion and what the police are effectively saying? I just think that in case, a closer investigation is required. It just does not make sense and no saying he was depressed does not do it for me. Sorry that "depressed" doesn't do it for you but that really just highlights the gulf in understanding between depressed and non-depressed. I ask you to consider that whatever led to his death didn't occur on Saturday/Sunday. Consider that there wasn't something that suddenly changed. Entertain the possibility that the smiling face and the laughter and the plans for vacations were horrible but well intentioned lies meant probably to not arouse concern or suspicion. Consider something, probably now unknown forever, was tearing at this man from inside for a long time and he, through fear of not wanting to appear weak and ask for help or out of some misguided idea of nobility and not burdening others with his problem, had finally reached the end of pretending everything was ok. 'Put on a brave face and get through the day, f*** knows if it's going to be better tomorrow but you've got to keep going' once said a voice inside, but that voice was drown out by fear, or sadness, or madness. Imagine a man entering a great new stage in his career, highly respected and admired in his field with two children and a wife, has decided this is the best thing for all involved. It's hard to do all that for normal people. When you're depressed though, these kinds of insidious decisions and gradual erosions of ones will to keep going have a way of appearing to be made of crystal clear logic. It's nearly impossible to explain. Still really confused and sad about all this. To make it clear, I'm not in anyway saying that him being depressed (or not) makes any difference to the way I see him. I get the part that you can hide your pain, some of us have done that to varying degrees. But unless there is some medical explanation, I cannot see how someone could be laughing and joking and taking the mickey out of his mates and then take his own life hours after that. Forget being depress, try laughing when you are feeling sad, it is almost physiologically impossible and from my limited understanding, depression is like a million times worse than sadness. Add to the fact that he had no fights, no quarrels, no drugs, no scandals...etc, there is no inkling of anything that may have made him depressed. There has to be a source of that depression. Most importantly, his agent said he was not depressed. If his laughter was a mere facade, then none of his closest friends and family (I might add) managed to detect it. And here we are all concluding that he was depressed when most of us have not even spoken to him in person. I really think for some, saying that he was depressed is a coping mechanism to explain away the mystery and irrationality of the circumstances of his death. Then follow it by saying that people don't understand and that there is a gulf understanding or whatever is just the icing on the cake, so that we don't have to dig deeper. Sorry Thomas, this isn't a personal attack on you, but do you have background in psychology or clinical depression to make this conclusion when those closest to him could not see anything wrong? On what basis are you making your conclusion? I'm obviously no expert in this field and I'm willing to do some reading on depression if you have them, but I want the police to dig deeper because to me something is not quite right and I don't want people to just accept this depression theory at face value and then just move on. Speed deserves more than that.

Might have been posted before from Sheraer http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3965783/Gary-Speed-news-Alan-Shearer-opens-his-heart.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football I refused to believe that he took his own life. I know there are people saying that people who are depressed don't show it sometimes, whilst maybe you can hide the depression, but to me it is just impossible that someone who could be laughing and making plans for next week for next year could take his own life within 12 hours, unless something horribly wrong happened and Speed was a clean man by all accounts. Maybe others find it easy to just rationalized the incomprehensible that way...he took his life because he was depressed and we can't understand it because we didn't go through what he did. No f***ing way, taking your life is no easy decision, it's not something you do in a flash, there must have been some thought process, some deliberation involved. I wish the police would not just wash their hands off and say nothing is suspicious, how do you know if you don't f***ing launch a full investigation?! It's a cop out to accept his death so easily. Maybe I just can't accept that one of my heroes took his own life, but I'm convinced he was murdered and then the f***er disguised it as suicide. Police never said it was a suicide. well some tosh about nothing suspicious and therefore not investigating further. Plus if he was found hanging and the police said nothing is suspicious, isn't that one of the most obvious conclusion and what the police are effectively saying? I just think that in case, a closer investigation is required. It just does not make sense and no saying he was depressed does not do it for me.

Might have been posted before from Sheraer http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3965783/Gary-Speed-news-Alan-Shearer-opens-his-heart.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football I refused to believe that he took his own life. I know there are people saying that people who are depressed don't show it sometimes, whilst maybe you can hide the depression, but to me it is just impossible that someone who could be laughing and making plans for next week for next year could take his own life within 12 hours, unless something horribly wrong happened and Speed was a clean man by all accounts. Maybe others find it easy to just rationalized the incomprehensible that way...he took his life because he was depressed and we can't understand it because we didn't go through what he did. No f***ing way, taking your life is no easy decision, it's not something you do in a flash, there must have been some thought process, some deliberation involved. I wish the police would not just wash their hands off and say nothing is suspicious, how do you know if you don't fucking launch a full investigation?! It's a cop out to accept his death so easily. Maybe I just can't accept that one of my heroes took his own life, but I'm convinced he was murdered and then the f***er disguised it as suicide.