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I think Pardew is the most important man for us tomorrow. He'll need to set us up right to make the most of the players he's got at his disposal, something he didn't do last week with Ba in particular. I just hope it's one of Pards more inspired days tactically rather than the odd brain fart match he's liable to produce every now and then.

It all sounds great...and then Liverpool 1 Sunderland 1 brings you crashing back down to earth.

What's the point in throwing in a derisory offer then refusing to negotiate? All it's done, assuming he is any good, is alert other clubs to the fact they can pick up a promising keeper for a very reasonable fee while we watch on the sidelines like idiots.

Don't want to suggest stuff like that on here... Why not? It sounds like a great plan. Drive out Ashley by riots and boycotts, cash strapping the club then use Facebook to pressure Arab/Russian billionaires to launch an audacious takeover. It's been well thought out for sure.

and Pardew will be rightly sacked.

Careful now. You're not supposed to put things in context in this thread. Have a word.

Don't blame him. Of course you don't, it's every Newcastle supporters dream to wank over the glory of the Mersey legends Their owners are showing more ambition than ours. End of. Good point. I shall get a picture of Liverpool's owners framed, hang it on the wall over scented candles, then toss over it while wearing a Liverpool top every night.

He claimed Llambias shook hands on the deal and then it was withdrawn. I don't really see what that's got to do with Pardew.

Don't blame him. Of course you don't, it's every Newcastle supporters dream to wank over the glory of the Mersey legends

But didn't Nolan later say he felt let down by Pardew? If Nolan thought Pardew was going to get the club to offer him a 4 year contract he was asking a bit much of him. FWIW I think Pardew has handled Joey quite well. It would have been easy to sideline him if he felt Barton wasn't 100% behind him but he's been mature about it and got him back onside, for now at any rate.

who are they?

I think we'd have bought Pieters at £4-5m, but when his club asked for £6m we probably thought we can get Cisskho for around that. Even if it's more it's probably a better deal so if we do it then I would agree it was the right thing to pull out of the Pieters deal.

Just as well Tiote probably doesn't understand the term "piss off" otherwise he'd have stuck the nut on Llambias.

Well IMO he's only a passable right back anyway. QPR are the sort of calibre team he would probably attract, and if he's asking for bigger pay because he's at Newcastle it might be he's over-rating himself a bit. I wouldn't be fussed at selling him if I thought we would go out and sign a genuine quality RB but with us that isn't likely so....

The threads been bumped a couple of weeks too soon. A bit early to be declaring victory in the anti-Ashley campaign. Just be patient your moment might still yet come.

I thought they did approach/offer Bobby the job (when KK left), but he wouldn't walk away from Barcelona at the time? I am just going off a John Hall quote at the time. He said he was good friends with Bobby and had discussed the job with him but his son and Freddie were more keen on Dalglish. Hall seems to have a lot more football sense than many. He was recommending Martinez as a potentially good manager a long time before he became a household name.

So what point is it we are arguing? Is that the Andy Gorgam 'we'? You're currently arguing against yourself mate. More vague waffle. If you think I've missed the point about what was being said feel free to clear it up any time.

The good times were despite Shepherd not because of him. John Hall was the driving force behind appointing Bobby Robson, he wanted to appoint him earlier but Shepherd and Hall Jr. persuaded him to appoint Dalglish instead.

So what point is it we are arguing?

Basically, I think our expectations are higher than the reality. It's not about a Geordie saviour, it's about ANY saviour. If Ashley is making such a mint out of this club why aren't there buyers lining up to cash in and hire a manager who will do a better job?

"let's say the club gets taken over next month" Is it likely to get taken over?

It's not that blindingly obvious. Liverpool spent £100m on new signings and still drew at home to the mackems who were fielding Man U cast offs as their main stars.

The fact of the matter is, since the club was first made available for sale by Hall and Shepherd, Ashley is the only one who has been willing to put the money down required. Where are these saviours who will buy the club and pour money into the squad? So far the only serious interest was NUST with their collective whip round which flopped, and Barry Moat who was told to take his begging cap to the pawn shop by the banks.

Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. I don't know about that. If results weren't good I can see Ashley reasoning we still have one of the higher wage bills in the premier I think that's true without checking) so we should be doing better than the majority. I also have a feeling Pardew would prefer to be buying British players but we are going over his head and recruiting mainly from France. If Pardew doesn't get the results my bet would be on a foreign manager being brought in to replace him. I don't think Pardew's position is a secure as some think. When things go wrong it's usually the manager who gets the bullet.

Enrique may well turn out to be right if we don't get a left back and a striker, but if we do where will that leave him? In a Liverpool shirt playing his football for his new Scouse paymasters. He should have kept his trap shut until Aug 31 at least.