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This for me is simply a case of my club, Newcastle United v Kevin Keegan. I want what is best for the club not what is best for KK's soccer circus so I hope the money stays in Newcastle. If Keegan wins his case good luck to him but I very much hope he doesn't.

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58111.msg1587486.html#msg1587486 my opinion on the rest of your post that I clipped is that its too little too late, he's been a disaster and lots of you younger guys are now seeing what the club was run like for decades before, eeeer,, 1992. Not quite so bad, but getting there. I also agree that the clubs ambition is now limited to staying in the top league. Now, THAT is "going backwards", because its a major shift in policy. But I pointed this out ages ago too. Before this exercise in revisionist history runs it's course, it's worth pointing out that we have been struggling in the bottom half of the table for the last FIVE years. Ashley has been here for only ONE of those, which means that Freddy Shepherd was in charge for FOUR years of similar struggle. That was despite spending heavily on players, some of who turned out to be massive wastes of money. It could be argued it was the Roy Keane route to disaster. Something to think about. I think your maths is very poor. Enlightening response It should be. 5th and 7th is struggling in the bottom half of the table is it? That's revisionist. Roeder's seventh place involved long periods in the bottom half and relegation was talked about even back then Exactly. I'm sure UV knows this, just as he must know that even SBR's final season when we finished 5th, we struggled badly for the first half of it. Unless UV's trying to make the point that Freddie Fantastic sacked SBR without any good reason whatsoever. So you're not going to even admit that you didn't mean to include Robson's final season, and got your maths all wrong. Okay, have it your way. This season and last are just the same as when we finished 5th under Robson. Priceless. UV accuses me of getting my maths wrong, realises he's actually got his wrong after being pointed in the right direction, and then claims I didn't mean to get my maths right - so there! I'm gutted tbh, how could I have not realised that the season we finished 5th was one where we were "struggling in the bottom half of the table" and was similar to last season and this, even though we weren't in the bottom half at any point after mid october. Thanks for putting my revisionist history straight, I was worried about relegation, but now realise we'll be knocking on the door of the Champions League places come the end of the season. You need to send your revisionist version of history to Freddie Fantastic. Maybe he can revise history and tell us he didn't sack Bobby Robson following that season?

I think it's going to be Phil Brown. I can't really see them going for Fat Sam after his association with Newcastle. Whichever one it is (because I have a hunch O'Neill might regretfully turn down this fantastic opportunity ) I don't think either will do well. They could survive and do ok, but the wearside inbreds will start moaning about dull football, because being thick they'll assume they are entitled to good football like Newcastle. This will create pressure and thus the new manager will crumble and so will the team.

Is SOS big enough to accomodate more mongs? I know it's not full on match days but with Keano going they'll be descending from every cave in Wearside.

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58111.msg1587486.html#msg1587486 my opinion on the rest of your post that I clipped is that its too little too late, he's been a disaster and lots of you younger guys are now seeing what the club was run like for decades before, eeeer,, 1992. Not quite so bad, but getting there. I also agree that the clubs ambition is now limited to staying in the top league. Now, THAT is "going backwards", because its a major shift in policy. But I pointed this out ages ago too. Before this exercise in revisionist history runs it's course, it's worth pointing out that we have been struggling in the bottom half of the table for the last FIVE years. Ashley has been here for only ONE of those, which means that Freddy Shepherd was in charge for FOUR years of similar struggle. That was despite spending heavily on players, some of who turned out to be massive wastes of money. It could be argued it was the Roy Keane route to disaster. Something to think about. I think your maths is very poor. Enlightening response It should be. 5th and 7th is struggling in the bottom half of the table is it? That's revisionist. Roeder's seventh place involved long periods in the bottom half and relegation was talked about even back then Exactly. I'm sure UV knows this, just as he must know that even SBR's final season when we finished 5th, we struggled badly for the first half of it. Unless UV's trying to make the point that Freddie Fantastic sacked SBR without any good reason whatsoever. So you're not going to even admit that you didn't mean to include Robson's final season, and got your maths all wrong. Okay, have it your way. This season and last are just the same as when we finished 5th under Robson. Priceless. UV accuses me of getting my maths wrong, realises he's actually got his wrong after being pointed in the right direction, and then claims I didn't mean to get my maths right - so there!

EH ? WTF. Was he serious? Sadly he probably was.

Stephen...Martin..whatever

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58111.msg1587486.html#msg1587486 my opinion on the rest of your post that I clipped is that its too little too late, he's been a disaster and lots of you younger guys are now seeing what the club was run like for decades before, eeeer,, 1992. Not quite so bad, but getting there. I also agree that the clubs ambition is now limited to staying in the top league. Now, THAT is "going backwards", because its a major shift in policy. But I pointed this out ages ago too. Before this exercise in revisionist history runs it's course, it's worth pointing out that we have been struggling in the bottom half of the table for the last FIVE years. Ashley has been here for only ONE of those, which means that Freddy Shepherd was in charge for FOUR years of similar struggle. That was despite spending heavily on players, some of who turned out to be massive wastes of money. It could be argued it was the Roy Keane route to disaster. Something to think about. I think your maths is very poor. Enlightening response It should be. 5th and 7th is struggling in the bottom half of the table is it? That's revisionist. Roeder's seventh place involved long periods in the bottom half and relegation was talked about even back then Exactly. I'm sure UV knows this, just as he must know that even SBR's final season when we finished 5th, we struggled badly for the first half of it. Unless UV's trying to make the point that Freddie Fantastic sacked SBR without any good reason whatsoever.

The thing is though Barton was very infuential in that 3 man midfield, Guthrie may do it but Barton was one of the best players towards the end of the season. Barton played left side in the 3 man midfield. N'Zogbia should be able to play that role as he supposedly prefers playing centre midfield, and Jonas should also be capable. Both have the capability to play defensively as well with Zog having played left back, and Jonas usually tracking back very well. What we will miss is Barton's clever use of the ball from that position, but it's still worth a go in my book.

As for Martin Appiah, I have the feeling that he's a free agent because he's a perma-crock. If he isn't he would be a good signing, but after Cacapa we should probably be wary.

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58111.msg1587486.html#msg1587486 my opinion on the rest of your post that I clipped is that its too little too late, he's been a disaster and lots of you younger guys are now seeing what the club was run like for decades before, eeeer,, 1992. Not quite so bad, but getting there. I also agree that the clubs ambition is now limited to staying in the top league. Now, THAT is "going backwards", because its a major shift in policy. But I pointed this out ages ago too. Before this exercise in revisionist history runs it's course, it's worth pointing out that we have been struggling in the bottom half of the table for the last FIVE years. Ashley has been here for only ONE of those, which means that Freddy Shepherd was in charge for FOUR years of similar struggle. That was despite spending heavily on players, some of who turned out to be massive wastes of money. It could be argued it was the Roy Keane route to disaster. Something to think about. I think your maths is very poor. Enlightening response

I'd forgot all about Turan. Seeing as we couldn't buy him for £10m befor the Euros, I doubt we'd get him for that now. Can't see it happening but I'd love to see him come as I always thought he was more suited to the English game than Modric in that he doesn't seem shy to get stuck in.

yep, spot on - the whole season to date for duff to produce sweet fuck all (jonas too for that matter), coupla games for charlie to inspire us up the table or he's oot we're a fucking shambles if the lad leaves, sorry bigger shambles, but the kinnear said he isn't so that'll all end well eh? I think the big test will come if Zog has a good game. If he does, he can do stuff Duff couldn't dream of. If he has a quiet game, then it'll be more tempting for Kinnear to sell when he's got safe, reliable options like Duff and Jonas for the left. We really need Zog to have a blinder against Stoke.

£20 million for a player who will turn 31 this month? Now that's a radical change of policy. Lol. If Carlsberg did retarded newspapers.......... http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:vjvSGWSiOfYJ::www.nmauk.co.uk/nma/downloads To think this shit gets approved and edited before being published and then sold across the whole of Britain.

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,58111.msg1587486.html#msg1587486 my opinion on the rest of your post that I clipped is that its too little too late, he's been a disaster and lots of you younger guys are now seeing what the club was run like for decades before, eeeer,, 1992. Not quite so bad, but getting there. I also agree that the clubs ambition is now limited to staying in the top league. Now, THAT is "going backwards", because its a major shift in policy. But I pointed this out ages ago too. Before this exercise in revisionist history runs it's course, it's worth pointing out that we have been struggling in the bottom half of the table for the last FIVE years. Ashley has been here for only ONE of those, which means that Freddy Shepherd was in charge for FOUR years of similar struggle. That was despite spending heavily on players, some of who turned out to be massive wastes of money. It could be argued it was the Roy Keane route to disaster. Something to think about.

With Duff out for another week, the game against Stoke is probably his last chance to make a big impact on the left wing. Although he was probably no better or worse than anyone else against boro, unless he can provide a genuine threat consistently I can see JFK going with the safer option of Duff as soon as he is fit.

Neither would I. He'd never go with a formation as attacking as that. How do we know? When has Kinnear ever had three strikers of the quality of Martins, Viduka & Owen in his squad? Keegan very rarely played Shearer, Ferdinand & Asprilla together, and yet it was the supposedly negative Dalglish that actually played them as a front-three several times towards the end of that season. If JFK wants to increase his chances of a win, he should definitely go 4-3-3. With Viduka, Owen and Martins up top we put the fear of god in teams a lot better than Stoke last season.

Why is he talking about us? Why not Hull or if he wants to stay closer to home, Fulham for example? I know the answer and so does that name-dropping cunt I'll wager.

I think we will only really see if we will miss Martins when we play a few matches without him in the starting line up. We didn't really miss Owen during his recent lay off because Oba and Ameobi proved surprisingly effective. I n fact the goals have dried up since Owen came back into the starting line up. Maybe Owen and Viduka will do the business if given a run together? Personally I think they will be too slow as a partnership but we'll see.

I'm still not convinced he's going to have too many options which he would consider worthwhile in any case. He won't get a look in at the top 4, Man City can buy bigger and better...that leaves Villa or possibly Everton. I don't think he will fit in with Villa's style, and I can't see Everton breaking their wage structure for a player like Owen.

We are at home, the emphasis needs to be on how much damage we can do to them rather than worry about their long throws too much. Obviously the aerial threat has to be countered, but if we keep the ball on the deck and press them high up the pitch we should dominate possession as they will be too clumsy to keep the ball for long. Then hopefully their dead ball situations will be few and far beween.

I don't see how either you or Johnny can say what he was planning to do, the idea behind bringing in younger players is that it does cut down on expenses in that you have them develop at your club rather than have them develop somewhere else, our biggest problem in the Summer was that we didn't buy enough of them but who's fault that was I don't know. As for Milner, Are you for real? He was fucking shite, man. Even the Villa fans think so yet we should have tried to keep even though we sold him for double what he was worth?! Madness. When all other things are equal (existing contract duration, current ability, etc) a young player will cost more than an older player. You pay a premium for potential. As a way of putting together a team that can compete NOW it would be a more expensive route to go, not a cost saving exercise. If the young players you're bringing in are cheap, they're usually cheap for a reason, and the chances are they have a long way to go to before they are ready to be first choice selections. Of course you can get lucky and find a player like Bassong, or to a lesser extent Guthrie, but more often than not these youngster's who all clubs are on the lookout for will take years to develop, and in in most cases wont in fact reach their potential. Also, the system didn't find these players, the people within the system found them. The ones which were brought in, Keegan was obviously happy with. Who knows how successful the ones Keegan tuned down would have been, maybe Keegan was the one who could filter out the good ones. There's more chance that he knows how to spot a player than Wise, simply through having more experience at it. As for Milner, he's 22 & at least 2 clubs were in for him. It wasn't a one-time not to be missed sale, yet we were so desperate to offload him and get the cash before Mike tried to sell up, we rushed it thorough so he could play for Villa at the weekend while we were short on numbers in midfield. When you consider the low wages he'll be on & the years of professional, fairly consistent, low injury rate, uncomplaining service he'll give Villa, I think he'll easily be worth his transfer fee in value in the long run. I bet he'll create and score more goals than Jonas this season for a start [puts tin hat on]. Milner will have more dynamic central midfielders to work with, i.e., a rolls royce player like Gareth Barry, Petrov and Reo-coker as opposed to chitty-chitty bang-bang Butt. He'll have strikers with pace and aerial power like Carew and Agbonlahor to aim for rather than toon midgets Owen and Martins. If he doesn't create and score more he would have to be absolutely useless. Not that I think there'll be much in it.

After the fuss made last year I'd be amazed if anyone was unaware that it get dredged up again if the bomb chants were repeated. That's why I don't accept it was innocent banter, at best it was downright stupid everything considered, which is why I don't see the need to bend over backwards defending such daft actions. Have a long hard look at the people who caused the 'fuss'. Wwheeessss keeeeeyyyyyssss Louise from the guardian? Correct both times. Certain people with agendas as well as the usually 'outraged about something, life isn't fair' smoggies. Nothing happened then, nothing will happen now, because people know that it is a storm in a teacup. Even Southgate has said as much. Even if that's the case, the fact is it has been reported broadly by the press and not just one agenda driven journalist. Wether anything comes of it or not, it hardly reflects well on us as a club to be associated with this stuff two seasons running. That's the reason I can't understand all this defensive excuse making for a few plebs who should know better.

After the fuss made last year I'd be amazed if anyone was unaware that it get dredged up again if the bomb chants were repeated. That's why I don't accept it was innocent banter, at best it was downright stupid everything considered, which is why I don't see the need to bend over backwards defending such daft actions. Have a long hard look at the people who caused the 'fuss'. The national media?