TRon

Who are these supporters and where are these opinions? No-one wants to see the club get into debt. You haven't read views expressed that the quality of players coming in has not been good enough to compete with the top clubs like we did under the previous board? That Newcastle are one of the biggest clubs in the country and need to show ambition by signing players which reflect that?

Glenn Roeder did a decent job as a caretaker manager, lets bring him back as a caretaker. I couldn't care less if he does well at Spurs or wherever he goes. He's a nobody at Newcastle. Did anyone mention bringing Jiminez back?

So you are peeved that they put the club into debt by taking out loans rather than using their own money, is that correct? Quite interesting seeing as we have supporters here furious that Ashley has not "shown ambition" by taking out loans and spending more on the squad - something your American owners seem to have done, at least looking from the outside.

It sounds like he's got an offer to work elsewhere (Spurs?) and I would imagine he'll do a decent job in negotiating transfers if the £12m he got for Milner is anything to go by.

Sorry you guys, I need a more in depth analysis from the heart of the supporters since 1991. I have a hunch UV and NE5 will provide better replies and context considering the well recognised similarities between both sets of fans we so often hear about.

How exactly? The players are still there. 45k still turn up and cheer on the team. The world is still turning. Supporters are fickle if the team starts to do well. A quality new manager, some good results, and all is forgiven. Easy to do with the great squad we now have, and with the super setup in place, any manager would be mad not to come surely? But no, apparently a few banners make his position untenable. A couple of protests and some strongly worded emails have driven him out. The reason the stubborn, hard nosed businessman is selling the club is because he's upset. It has nothing to do with the fact he's been trying to offload the club for months, no siree, nothing at all. If he's been trying to offload the club for months, why didn't he just do that when Keegan was in charge during the summer? Weeeelllllll.........I'm sure he could have got rid of it for a couple of million quid which is all it was worth in 1991, when nobody wanted it. Well I'm sure you could sell your season ticket on ebay for 1991 prices as well. Why don't you take your own advice and put it up for sale? I'm sure I could. I also had my cheque returned in 1991 when I tried to buy shares as they failed to sell the club, but I bet I wouldn't now. The club failed to raise half of 2.5m quid, and under the terms of the flotation were forced to abort the sale. That figure of 1.25m was open to supporters, business, anyone who applied to buy shares. If 1.25m quid had been raised, the sale would have gone ahead. In relative terms, this figure was less than the club received when they sold Peter Beardsley a few years earlier, and also Gazza soon after PS Tron.........this sort of first hand experience is how I know what I'm talking about. But I'll let you carry on trying to work it all out. Well that's how the market works, they don't have the benefit of hindsight like you

How exactly? The players are still there. 45k still turn up and cheer on the team. The world is still turning. Supporters are fickle if the team starts to do well. A quality new manager, some good results, and all is forgiven. Easy to do with the great squad we now have, and with the super setup in place, any manager would be mad not to come surely? But no, apparently a few banners make his position untenable. A couple of protests and some strongly worded emails have driven him out. The reason the stubborn, hard nosed businessman is selling the club is because he's upset. It has nothing to do with the fact he's been trying to offload the club for months, no siree, nothing at all. If he's been trying to offload the club for months, why didn't he just do that when Keegan was in charge during the summer? Weeeelllllll.........I'm sure he could have got rid of it for a couple of million quid which is all it was worth in 1991, when nobody wanted it. Well I'm sure you could sell your season ticket on ebay for 1991 prices as well. Why don't you take your own advice and put it up for sale?

They are in the Champions League every year, winning cups and buying top players. Why are the American owners so unpopular?

Maybe we should get Alan Oliver to re-write the article and demand the South Africans publish his version instead?

How exactly? The players are still there. 45k still turn up and cheer on the team. The world is still turning. Supporters are fickle if the team starts to do well. A quality new manager, some good results, and all is forgiven. Easy to do with the great squad we now have, and with the super setup in place, any manager would be mad not to come surely? But no, apparently a few banners make his position untenable. A couple of protests and some strongly worded emails have driven him out. The reason the stubborn, hard nosed businessman is selling the club is because he's upset. It has nothing to do with the fact he's been trying to offload the club for months, no siree, nothing at all. If he's been trying to offload the club for months, why didn't he just do that when Keegan was in charge during the summer?

He got us £12m for Milner when even KK only valued him at £7-8m. Was he involved in getting us £8m for Dyer when people here were screaming we should get rid for £2m? He will be a big loss IMO. Cockney cunt that he is of course.

How exactly is it in his best interests to block a higher transfer fee (which he'll get a % of) and wages? If that's how the system works, I'm not impressed, as 1) Modric isn't that good he was worth buying (at that price) just for the sake of it. 2) We were/are desperate for that position 3) It's a s*** way of going about transfers regardless I can think of shitter ways. Chairman: "Mr Luque, how much would you like to be paid?" Luque: "Er...Meester Newcastle chairman I don't really want to come but ok, I would like 20..no 30...no...make that 60k a week please" Chairmen: "Ok"

That statement as a standalone I tend to rather agree with, but in the case of this thread it almost seems out of place. The NUSC is releasing press statements which are neither reasoned nor helpful. They're more blind prejudice and inflammatory. So true, as I've said doing something is only better than doing nothing if the action you take is beneficial. In this case we would be better off if they hadn't released these statements. Yep fair points. But it appears - and this has been the problem with NUFC fans in general for a while - that people are happy to moan and bitch about things on here, other forums, at work, in the pub etc but would never do anything about it. The people have, good on them. They don't have to have people pulling them down for it. If you've got such a problem with what they are saying - tell them. If they don't change when enough people tell them then by all means have a go at them. I think fans should stick to moaning and bitching to put it bluntly. There's a reason lunatics aren't usually allowed to run the asylum. Putting out statements discouraging sponsors, suggesting customers buy their pies from Greggs etc. shows why it's best fans just stick to being fans.

care to tell us what he done wrong ? Care to tell me what he done right? i've no idea.neither have you . why do you seem so happy for him to go when you have as much evidence he was doing well as poorly. Let's see now...he's a cockney, what else have we got to go on?

Just take your money and fuck off tbh.

Hardly breaking news is it? Just about everyone has already factored the £100m into the price anyway. Did anyone seriously think he was going to be hounded out of Newcastle but leave behind a £100m present to the new owner as a token of his thanks?

If we have the level of injuries this season that we did that season (and don't do something about it in January), there's absolutely no way we wont get relegated, regardless of who the manager is. That's how much we've "strengthened" the squad under "Newcastle's best ever chairman/owner". the same board who said last november, when the team was struggling, that they would not be buying anybody in the January window unless they were players for the future. Clearly stupidly unaware of the real possibility of going down [like many people on here] or setting out a policy of putting profit before success, in the absurd belief that the ground would fill up every league game with 52000 people no matter what. Incredible. I seem to remember when asked which player available at that time you would consider buying, you said Benjani from Portsmouth. Where is he now then?

I haven't listened to the file, but from what I've seen of Defoe is that he's a useful finisher and offers a lot of movement around the final third of the pitch.

Some of our first teamers are starting to come back, should provide a welcome confidence boost to the squad. We will need it. City have goals in them but if we can play as a team with the same spirit we showed against Everton we can win it.

If we have the level of injuries this season that we did that season (and don't do something about it in January), there's absolutely no way we wont get relegated, regardless of who the manager is. That's how much we've "strengthened" the squad under "Newcastle's best ever chairman/owner". we didn't have those injuries all season and we were pretty crap even with a fit squad . i'll go on record as saying the hall/shepherd board until the end of 2002/3 has been the best i've known. but since then it's been a nose dive and a one from which i couldn't see that board pulling round. I'll go on record to second that.

If we have the level of injuries this season that we did that season (and don't do something about it in January), there's absolutely no way we wont get relegated, regardless of who the manager is. That's how much we've "strengthened" the squad under "Newcastle's best ever chairman/owner". I'm pretty sure you and NE5 were warning of relegation after we didn't strengthen last January, and that was with Keegan in charge. Regular doom-mongers really.

No, it's fairly well reasoned criticism on the whole.

Which bits of it dont resonate with you? Most of it. The parts that other people have mentioned above. These show a basic lack of understanding of the club. He's been reading Louise Taylor's articles. Whether these people understand the club isn't the point. Outsiders are only going to form a view from an outsiders perspect. The guy who wrote the article has an image of a disgruntled and demanding fan base, based on the tv images of fans protesting and organising ongoing demonstrations. The problem I have is that future investors are also going to be outsiders and I don't really want a negative view to be formed on the basis of what has happened with Ashley and Keegan.

Aren't Seymour Pierce handling the sale? They are supposedly a reputable company and I doubt they'd be conducting negotiations if the price was set stupidly high.

Did he tell you that? He doesn't need to, it is so obvious now. For clarity I am not saying his intention was to sell the club on for a profit a year or so later, the timing has obviously been forced on him or rather the situation has dictated the exit earlier than probably intended. But in general the aim was always to sell the club on for a profit. and that makes him evil because? because only Hall and Shepherd are allowed to walk away from Newcastle with a swag bag.