TRon

Agree with that almost word for word, although hopefully the season won't be written off just yet.

Rabble rousing bullshit which will do more harm than good.

I said in another thread yesterday, I am looking forward to seeing Xisco and Nacho play their first matches. I am concerned as to whether there is going to be a split camp in the team now between older players and new, also how the negative fan reaction will affect team morale in general. It will be a difficult period for whoever comes in as manager, but a win against Hull could see our season stay on course.

Yeah. It's not like keegan to aim for the stars is it?

I'd love to hear Alex Ferguson's take on that. "Sorry Alex, you're only the manager, we're not obliged to buy who you want." "Bye." Pretty sure he threatened to walk when they didn't want to buy Dwight Yorke. Ferguson's forte has always been building young sides and buying players before their transfer value has peaked. KK usually goes for established stars (the list in the Times might be bullshit, but it does sound like a Keegan list). Bottom line: I don't think Ashley wanted to spend the sort of money it would take to get the players Keegan wanted. In which case it was probably a mistake to make him manager. Can't be arsed to look it up but my sense is Ferguson usually spends shitloads on young AND established stars - you can do that when you're big 4. I'd call Rooney an established star for instance when Man Utd went for him but he was also young I agree you can do that if you are big 4.

I'd love to hear Alex Ferguson's take on that. "Sorry Alex, you're only the manager, we're not obliged to buy who you want." "Bye." Pretty sure he threatened to walk when they didn't want to buy Dwight Yorke. Ferguson's forte has always been building young sides and buying players before their transfer value has peaked. KK usually goes for established stars (the list in the Times might be bullshit, but it does sound like a Keegan list). Bottom line: I don't think Ashley wanted to spend the sort of money it would take to get the players Keegan wanted. In which case it was probably a mistake to make him manager. He didn't want to spend any money apparently. There's no way a Premiership club pulling in 52,000 people with no debt, increased tv money and three seasons worth of season ticket cash should be breaking even on transfers. Not saying don't get bargains, but if KK wanted to spend some money on players he thought would improve the squad, he should have been allowed - after all, he made it clear when he joined that he believed there was significant finance there. Ashley wouldn't have to put his hand in his own pocket, the club makes enough money. Funny how plenty folk last week were convinced he wanted average Premiership players and now the same people are convinced he wanted Thierry Henry. Again - one extreme to the other. Kevin Keegan's not fucking stupid. Won't argue with you on that one, we all thought KK was going to get plenty of money to spend. Colo was a big buy, and Modric would have blown away any doubts, but it didn't happen. So everyone will have their own theory won't they?

Never mind, at least he'll have the undying loyalty of Smith and Milner. i'd include Barton but he's probably have forgot about Keegan already.

shame on me, i've been sticking up for the cockney spivs.

I'd love to hear Alex Ferguson's take on that. "Sorry Alex, you're only the manager, we're not obliged to buy who you want." "Bye." Pretty sure he threatened to walk when they didn't want to buy Dwight Yorke. Ferguson's forte has always been building young sides and buying players before their transfer value has peaked. KK usually goes for established stars (the list in the Times might be bullshit, but it does sound like a Keegan list). Bottom line: I don't think Ashley wanted to spend the sort of money it would take to get the players Keegan wanted. In which case it was probably a mistake to make him manager.

Bilic: no chance, he's committed to Croatia till the WC. Shearer: no chance, after having enraged a city by falling out with one local hero, Ashley would be off his head to risk hiring another.

Apparently as in the papers? Apparently, as in a little nudge I've had this evening from someone who should have a decent insight. I see, I seem to remember you being well informed about things actually so I'll take your work for it. Who is the bottom one btw? Can't find him on google. Real Sociedad... So have they enquired about them already or is this their shortlist? I'm led to believe enquiries have been made, particularly with Marcelino Toral who was sounded out as early as the summer. It's starting to strike me that they only ever saw KK as an Avram-type stop gap which makes this whole thing even more disgraceful. If they'd wanted to shunt KK aside they'd have picked a nobody like Avram Grant, not a local hero. Let's be sensible.

I don't think there was a problem with Keegan's on field coaching and motivating. The conflict arose because KK wanted more say on transfer matters, and it's a fair point that he had little knowledge of emerging talent or the world transfer market. Deep down everyone knows that. Isn't that what scouts are for? Seems like, as usual on here, there's black and white and nothing in the middle. a) Keegan has players signed for him and likes it or b) Keegan has to have an in-depth knowledge of every player in the world and spend his spare days jetting off to watch a Bolivian second division game. Can't I have c) he's a normal manager who has scouts like every other manager in the world (apart from these really successful continental ones who keep getting their arses handed to them by English clubs with English systems)? For c) Keegan would have to be happy with what his scouts were reporting and recommending. If that was the case why would there have been a problem in the first place? Keegan wanted players from his own list to be bought, and i doubt they included Xisco, Jonas, Nacho whats-is-face etc. He was happy with them when he was getting to oversee the deals and not having them signed when he specifically does not want them. Is that so difficult to grasp? Keegan on Jonas: Aye he sounds gutted to have him. Again, we come back to a) or b) and no c) in the middle: just because KK didn't want players signed and sold behind his back doesn't NECESSARILY mean that he hates Jonas and Colo and wants to kick fuck out of the pair of them. Like you say, it's not black and white. I'm sure having SEEN Jonas KK was impressed. But it was Ashley's team who identified and closed Jonas' signature. Just because KK had a right to feel put out, doesn't mean NUFC were obliged to chase his targets.

I don't think there was a problem with Keegan's on field coaching and motivating. The conflict arose because KK wanted more say on transfer matters, and it's a fair point that he had little knowledge of emerging talent or the world transfer market. Deep down everyone knows that. Isn't that what scouts are for? Seems like, as usual on here, there's black and white and nothing in the middle. a) Keegan has players signed for him and likes it or b) Keegan has to have an in-depth knowledge of every player in the world and spend his spare days jetting off to watch a Bolivian second division game. Can't I have c) he's a normal manager who has scouts like every other manager in the world (apart from these really successful continental ones who keep getting their arses handed to them by English clubs with English systems)? For c) Keegan would have to be happy with what his scouts were reporting and recommending. If that was the case why would there have been a problem in the first place? Keegan wanted players from his own list to be bought, and i doubt they included Xisco, Jonas, Nacho whats-is-face etc. That's not what Keegan said, is it? He said he didn't want players forced on him ie he'd had no input into their signing I think he had his ideas of who to sign, and Wise and Jiminez had theirs. Obviously KK's wish list wasn't given priority, so that's why he resigned.

I don't think there was a problem with Keegan's on field coaching and motivating. The conflict arose because KK wanted more say on transfer matters, and it's a fair point that he had little knowledge of emerging talent or the world transfer market. Deep down everyone knows that. Isn't that what scouts are for? Seems like, as usual on here, there's black and white and nothing in the middle. a) Keegan has players signed for him and likes it or b) Keegan has to have an in-depth knowledge of every player in the world and spend his spare days jetting off to watch a Bolivian second division game. Can't I have c) he's a normal manager who has scouts like every other manager in the world (apart from these really successful continental ones who keep getting their arses handed to them by English clubs with English systems)? For c) Keegan would have to be happy with what his scouts were reporting and recommending. If that was the case why would there have been a problem in the first place? Keegan wanted players from his own list to be bought, and i doubt they included Xisco, Jonas, Nacho whats-is-face etc.

Yes! Fuck you..you fat...varmint!

I don't think there was a problem with Keegan's on field coaching and motivating. The conflict arose because KK wanted more say on transfer matters, and it's a fair point that he had little knowledge of emerging talent or the world transfer market. Deep down everyone knows that.

My criticism is simply this: if it's a club you love, and a job you love, why leave? I get the principle part, but was it so bad? Were the players so useless? Were they playing so terrible? Were the fans shouting for your head like with so many other poor sods who can't get a win to save their life? It wasn't so bad really.

So KK would be telling Michael Owen that he was being sold then? Or would we all raise more cash to pay his £24m 3yr contract? Again revenue pays for the likes of wages, jesus have you all had fucking lobotomies today I see...so every time we hand out bigger salaries and spend big on transfer fees, while finishing in the bottom half, our revenues rise automatically to cover it? Ingenious. Who'd have thought...

He knew about Jonas, he OK'd the deal. And I'd imagine if Wise or whoever had came to Keegan a few days before the deadline, he'd have ok'd Xisco...maybe not the other lad, but I still find it concerning a Premiership manager aiming for Europe, with an injury-prone set of strikers, was going to turn his nose up at someone of his ability. Especially when he prevented Smith from being sold to Everton. If Keegan doesn't know the foreign market, you'd think he'd take good advice from his own team.

So KK would be telling Michael Owen that he was being sold then? Or would we all raise more cash to pay his £24m 3yr contract?

Once the fans bought the club for 250m how would they fund the manager's transfer war chest? Raise another £50m?

I'm sad that Keegan has left, but I'm quite looking forward to seeing how the new players gel into the new team. A couple of very achievable wins and we could be into the top 6...

You are right. We don't need tits like Jonas or Xisco when we had good lads like Smith and Duff on 60 grand a week.

Perfect start for any new manager coming in. Hardly, with the fans turning on Ashley and still hankering after Keegan, it's going to be tough for anyone to come in.

Don't worry, he'll be penning an article right now congratulating himself on being right all along.