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Case closed then.

No.

Its not if legal action happened last week though. If there was a agenda they would not have greased his palm with work in the Summer on fox. Will you stop banging on about this World Cup deal, it means absolutely dog s***. If anything it could be argued they used him that one last time to make an impact for Fox Sport in the US. Regardless of whether the likes of us liked him, in the industry, he was hailed as some sort of revolutionary. Will you stop banging on about agendas? The lawsuit meant dog s*** to him working at Sky & Fox. At least I've got a suspicious sequence of events to back that theory up.

Its not if legal action happened last week though. If there was a agenda they would not have greased his palm with work in the Summer on fox. Will you stop banging on about this World Cup deal, it means absolutely dog shit. If anything it could be argued they used him that one last time to make an impact for Fox Sport in the US. Regardless of whether the likes of us liked him, in the industry, he was hailed as some sort of revolutionary.

I was dreading this post, I thought you were going to put me down.

Where did I defend his comments exactly? Probably in the bits of your post (copied just above) where you reckon that the comments made at work, on company time, while at work are private an no concern of the employer. The bit where you said that "nothing that was said was that f***ing bad". Sounds like you're supporting comments like they said. Also where you reckon that Sky are the scum not Gray/Keys, and that the comments are acceptable because other people might have similar thoughts. Sorry, I just don't think that makes it right or acceptable. So yeah, it still looks like you defend his comments as acceptable behaviour. I've quite clearly stated the initial comments are bizarre, I've also posted previously that the comments to Jackson are pretty crass in nature. What I've gone on to highlight is this shit happens every single day around the country. Sure some women may well not accept it and rightfully complain to their respective HR departments, but some couldn't give a flying fuck, because some DO see it as office/workplace banter. I could go into countless examples of it happening in my own workplace. My own boss has said some ridiculous things to girls 15-20 years his junior. And I'm sorry, nothing that was said was that fucking bad. If Jackson had been complaining to HR then it would be an entirely different context, but she hadn't so the context is completely different. It's a clip that's been leaked to further manipulate events. If you're fine with that particular company doing this, as some seem to be, looking past the actual content and quotes, then we really do deserve everything we get from out new media overlords. To those comparing it racism, seriously man, get away. Okay, the principles can be seen as the same, and definitely, the comments were ridiculous, but we all fucking know that we know people that make these jokes all the time. Hell, discrimination laws are lunacy. You can report things to HR that you've heard said about someone else when they're in the fucking pub. I'm all for such laws to be in place, but let's not pretend they all attach themselves to common sense. Let's also stop over-reacting and whipping up hysteria about every extreme view we hear. As I've gone over, people make these jokes all the time, rightly or wrongly, my point in raising that is, why all of a sudden are we deciding (pretty much as a nation) that these views are outdated. You only have to look in the Lush Lasses thread on here to see the way some people talk about women. Yes, I know these women "put themselves in that place", but through those comments I think it's fair to assume that many, if they are working with a hot lass, would in turn say crass comments like "I'd smash that" or words to that effect. Personally, I'd never say any of these things, and I reckon those on here that have met me (sober) would back that up. Far too polite and reserved, but I'm still not going to get on my high horse and pretend these people are ageing dinosaurs when I could name a list as long as my arm of people on here and in my work life that are exactly the same. It's like the xenophobia that exists in this country, only a few will come out and be honest about it, but there's an overwhelming amount that agree but would never dare say so. Probably waffled on a bit, but you clearly missed my point of my post, and tried to sum it up as me defending their comments when it's patently not the case.

Where did I defend his comments exactly?

I think it's incredibly naive to act like there's no agenda here, completely and utterly naive. Sure Gray ultimately has to take responsibility for his own downfall in that he, and he only, made the comments. However, clips like these don't just get leaked on a whim, or in the 'public interest'. This wasn't a Ron Atkinson slip, where he was actually still on air in some countries (I believe it was still being broadcast in the middle east). What's happened here is essentially a secret recording that has then been used against them in public to not only smear them but to paint the picture that Sky had 'no choice'. If it was a criminal case, you wouldn't even be able to use it (recording) in court unless in extreme circumstances (ie. murder etc) which this isn't even close to being. They are in fact right when they say this is akin to the phone hacking scandal, it's practically identical in terms of end-product. It was the same when they did it with Gordon Brown, another one 'they' wanted out. I think it's good that more and more people are coming out in support of them, if not their views, then their right to have the private conversations kept private. Like I've said, I've no particular care for either of them, the whole things has been hilarious, at times baffling (the genuine sound of disgust in original clip) and entirely hypocritical from the masses. I've no doubt a lot on here don't share their views, and I know I don't, but I also know there will be a few nodding their heads in agreement with some that was said, with perhaps the exception of the Massey nonsense. Sadly, though, I think it's tragic that these media companies continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the public and they're only going to keep getting away with it because we all love a good distraction. Sorry, scandal. It's been pretty pathetic, the whole thing. At the end of the day, nothing that was said was that fucking bad. Anyone acting like it were, like they're genuinely morally outraged really need to get a fucking hold of themselves and be quite serious when they think "have I ever talked about women that way?" Cause I've seen plenty of it on here down the years. Like Indi said yesterday, where the fuck did all this moral superiority come from? Who the fuck are we kidding? Personally, I hope Gray gets every single penny he can from them. Like him or not, they're the scum, not him. He's just a tit, a tit that holds views no worse than the majority of peoples fathers on here.

It'll be nice to see some fresh blood, but I have a horrible feeling they'll do something drastically bad.

Yep, Sky's hypocrisy on the matter has already been highlighted with regards to their advertising for SSN and Soccer AM's more or less 'get yer tits out, hen' attitude to the 'soccerette' nonsense. As I said earlier in the thread, it's pathetic when people get hung out to dry like this. Admittedly, I think it's hilarious, but still, that's cause I never watch it nor care about its potential coverage problems.

Exactly. He was sacked because it made them look bad (tuck this in clip) not for harassment, perhaps this is why he's fighting it. For him to be done for discrimination as per their company policies, Jackson would have had to complain about it. Add in the suspicious timing of it all, and Gray's legal action against the daddy of them all and it really is pretty murky.

Got to agree.

Hilarious. Absolutely brilliant.

:lol: Amazing.

Interesting, given that Gray is trying to sue NotW over phone-hacking...

Depends where you work I suppose. Never mind that, I want to know how Richard Keys having a "Fit" daughter (I wonder if she's inherited her dads hair gene) makes him less sexist. Fair enough. I would agree with you, a completely irrelevant point to make by Thespence.

What is'nt funny? Two blokes saying a textbook line about women & football. Your right its not spine tingly funny but it is hardly worth getting in a tiz about it. I have read K.Brady diary in The Sun a few times & she trots out stereotypical stuff about men in boardrooms, men in football (very rarely names these people though) but guess what I don't give a shit about that either as it is good copy for the 2mins it takes to read her article. I mean really is a serial womaniser like Gray a sexist? He fucking loves them. Is Keysie who is married & has a fit daughter really anti-women? I think not. Can they come across like smug cunts? Aye. If "Keysie" (Cuntsie more like it) had a daughter who wasn't fit would that make him anti-women? Fact is, if any of us said the sort of thing they said at work we'd at the very least be getting a bollocking. Fuck off, we would. Some of the shit I have to put up with from my own seniors which amounts to nothing more than pure racial hatred goes unchecked. Never mind bloody sexism.

For what it's actually worth, I don't think women should officiate games on the male side. It's the beginning of blurring the lines that will inevitably lead to mixed-sex football. That, however, is another thread entirely...

They show themselves up every week anyway. Who? The narrow minded misogynists on here? You're shit at spotting sarcasm. It's because you're a woman anarl. Sarcasm or not, it's not on. Do you make sarcastic comments regarding race? All the fucking time.

Completely This is what I find the funniest about it. On reading the transcript I was thinking we all make tongue in cheek comments like that, but listening to them, they almost sound livid. Nowt against Andy Gray, been good down the years if a little tiring now, but Keys was a pain in the arse long before this. Also, I don't think they should be sacked. Far too much of that goes on these days with TV personalities.

Thought Parky would be one up by now.

Fucking hell, Smith.

Not domestically, no. That's a bit shit.