Mick

Post a link to where I've ever made the claim highlighted in bold or admit to lying, I'll take no link as meaning you accept you've admitted to it.

Shepherd has failed, he took over the club that was 2nd in the league and has taken us to where we are now, are you calling that success or even stagnation? If he hasn't failed then give a link to a league table which doesn't show us currently lying 17th or one which doesn't show us making massive losses while our gates reduce for probably the first time since Sir John and Keegan took over other than when the ground was being redeveloped, if you can't then he's failed, FACT. What comments about Beardsley and McDermott do you find funny? Is it that Beardsley was well known enough for Man U to pay money up front to his club and agreed a fee of £500,000 to take him to Manchester United while nobody had heard of him? Is it the bit where I said that the club didn't have to buy these players along with Roeder and Davie Mac if Keegan was a token "trophy signing" for the club? As for jumping ship, I've never jumped ship in the 70's and 80's at all and went to more games back then than I do now because I didn't have a family who thought that they should have some of my time when I'm at home. I remember going to Chelsea and seeing 6 goals put into our net, the away support (us) were singing "we want 5 after the 4th goal and we want 6 after the 5th. I remember going to see Newcastle v Colchester in the FA Cup and it taking 7 or 8 hours to travel 100 miles because of the fog that developed during the game. I remember going to Cardiff along with about 300 others and spending the full 90 minutes dodging bricks that were coming over the back of our end then getting bricked again while walking to the train station. I remember travelling to Bristol City twice within a few weeks because the Rovers ground had burned down. I remember watching Gazza make his full debut away to Southampton and also being at Wimbledon when the fans went mad because Vinny Jones had him by the balls, do you remember those games? Going to places like Oldham, Carlisle, Shrewsbury, Cambridge, Exeter and Watford only to have the game called off because of the weather and some idiot in the pub claiming that we were lucky because we got the 3 points because the pools panel put the game down as an away win. How many away games do you remember from these times? I think Shepherd has no more ambition than the old boards, he's in it for the money. You and your "mate" can stick your head in the sand as much as you want when it comes to Shepherd, others can see him for what he is, a failure.

Sir Bobby had lost his marbles, he was spot on later though when he appeared to back Shepherd.

Maybe this load of shite came from Shepherd himself? "I can only do my best here with the tools I've got, which in my opinion are more than enough to get this football club into Europe every season and something we now expect. Yes, there are always going to be setbacks. But if there is somebody out there who can do better than me and who would be willing to invest millions into the club, then fine. Every penny I have had from this club I have reinvested back into the club. I have never sold a single share since I came to the club and the money I have had has been reinvested in the way of buying shares. When people say that I have taken money out of the club, all I have done is to put the money back in by buying shares. Nobody can accuse me of taking money out of this football club and not reinvesting it." Source: Dead long link I mentioned that statement from Shepherd a while ago and was called a liar, I was told that Shepherd hadn't denied taking money out of the club, thanks for finding it, another myth removed.

So I guess our failure since Shepherd took over is down to coincidence and so it the rise in the amount of cash going to the two families. It's got nothing to do with the man at the top, the great chairman who has finished below shitty Ellis more than above.

Remember when you said you'd attended about 900 games and had supported the club for 40 odd years, divide 900 by 40 odd and you don't get that many per season. I think it worked out at about half of the games so you either missed a lot at home to get that average or didn't go to many away, which is it? bluebiggrin.gif Not that this has anything to do with Shepherd failing.

Look at the league table to see who have overtaken us while we've had Shepherd, how many of those clubs have the resources to do that?

A level of support isn’t everything as it's not the only source of revenue. If you ever attended away games you will have seen that other clubs had grounds which generated cash through corporate facilities which we have now (thanks to Sir John) but didn't have back then. 1 person paying £1 also generates more than 2 paying 25p, I can remember going to a lot of grounds and paying more than for home games, especially around London and the south. You would have known this if you had gone to matches. bluebiggrin.gif

I don't think anybody will be too bothered how much they took out if it was taken based on performance, I wouldn't care how much Shepherd took out either if it was performance related because on his performance he'd be paying the club.

Charlton was against spending because he said the club was skint when he became manager, he something along the lines of him only spending what the club could afford and that he would spend it as if it was his own, I seem to remember him saying that managers before him had spent a lot of the clubs money without getting value, again, they are not exact quotes so might be slightly out. Was this because they splashed out on Keegan, McDermott, Beardsley, etc? I've no idea if he was referring to these or others before them, he wasn't specific.

you are quite right James. They must want the team to do well, it benefits everybody. They have allowed all their managers money to attempt it. Don;t let anyone kid you that a dividend of a couple of million quid a year is the difference between us winning stuff or not, because it isn't. All the managers have had enough regardless. They choose to back their managers because they want them to be successful, and lots of clubs don't do this. They've taken about £24 million out in dividends, they've had massive pay rises and have done some dodgy deals where they've sold thing to the club or each other and leased them back to the club for an annual fee which is almost the same as the actual selling price and they did this for the good of the club. bluebiggrin.gif What benefit did the club get out of the warehouse the Shepherds sold each other? If the club needed it then why didn't the club buy it and save in the region of £2 million which now sits in a Shepherd bank account? For an idea of what our directors take out of the front door look here http://www.nufc-finances.org.uk/boardpay2.htm. Take a look at the graphs to see how the colours have changed since Shepherd came to power then tell me he's not in it for the money.

If Keegan was a trophy signing then why did they buy the others? You're probably right about them thinking that Beardsley and Waddle were enough after that, I'll not defend them but I think they made Charlton manager because they expected him to do well. He played boring football and got stick for the rubbish we played and then spat the dummy out against Sheffield United when the fans started chanting for his head.

It depends if he wanted to buy cheap shares or not, the worse we do, the lower the shares are priced at and and he gets more for his money/dividend.

I very rarely go on other forums and use my own name when I do, if I did I wouldn't lie about who I was, unlike some. I was over the moon that he went, at the time. The fact that we were later relegated was as much down to the directors for allowing player power as much as it was down to them for selecting the wrong manager, it was also the team that Lee built which got us relegated, not that it makes Shepherd any better. I was also over the moon that we qualified for Europe without him, are you putting that down to Lee? If you are then do you put our European football this season down to Souness? bluebiggrin.gif I was one of those who thought that we shouldn't have sold him at the time, if the club knew he was knackered then they did well to sell him. I've never heard Macdonald say that so I'll have to take your word for it.

The board pre-1992 were not very ambitious but I think they were when they brought Keegan and the others in. I'm not sure Shepherd is ambitious for anything other than taking money out of the club, results prove that as we've dropped from 2nd in the league to where we are now while he's guided the club as chairman, the league table backs that up. The only people to benefit from our football club under shepherd has been him and the Halls, they've taken £millions out. I forgot about the managers he's appointed and sacked, add them to the list, the record loss backs that up.

Another fact dropped out of the NE5 fact file known as his head. bluebiggrin.gif Anyway, why do you call yourself Leazes on other forums, should it not be West Stand Paddock?

You would say he was because it fits with what you're trying to say, I think he's not and I know him better than you, I know him as well as you know HTL, the only person to back you up. bluebiggrin.gif

Beardsley was unheard of? OK so his trial at Man U under Ron Atkinson didn't happen, Man U didn't offer to pay Vancouver something like £300k, talk about distorting the facts, he was also known enough to our club to be given a trial at Newcastle before he went to Carlisle. I didn't say that "the leazes end was singing for Lee to stay," I was quoting you. You've made that claim before and have not proven it. The supporters didn't even know Lee was going until he was gone, the players didn't even know as far as I'm aware.

"Close mate" That appears to be desperation, I can honestly say I've never knowingly met Macbeth in my life, can you say the same about NE5? How do you class spending as ambition to win something? Does my brother spending £10 on the lottery mean he's more ambitious to win it than me because I only spend a £5?

Shepherd is excellent yet Ellis who finished above us more in the league is shite, the league being the holy grail when it suits NE5, work that one out.

We signed the England captain to take the team into the first division, we also brought in Terry Mac and Beardsley, this was hardly done to hide anything, I'm sure they did do it to try and turn the club around, this was the one and only time the club tried to do something after relegation. Arthur Cox had been terrible until Keegan, the current England captain came to the club, until that time we were going nowhere fast. Keegan came to Newcastle partly because of family connections to the area, that was hardly down to Arthur Cox. The brewery did pay part of his wages and Keegan did Talk In's to help give something back to the brewery, I went to one of these and spoke to both Keegan and John Gibson afterwards. Keegan told me that he'd wanted to play for Newcastle since he played against us in the FA Cup final for Liverpool, he said our support that day made the hairs stand up on the back of his neck and he wanted to experience playing in front of us every week, his words, not mine. Keegan liked cox, he said he was a bit like Shankly when it came to how much effort he put into the game as manager. I'm also sure that they brought Jack Charlton in because they saw his previous record and thought he'd do a good job, Jackie Milburn was quoted by Peter Beardsley as saying that he thought the club would be in good hands with Charlton, or words to that effect, Beardsley said so in his book. As for Lee going, most of the fans were over the moon at the time although you remember the Leazes singing "Gordon we love you." None of the above makes Shepherd any better or worse than he is, that's down to him, not those who went before him.

I take it that you only noticed the edit and not the reply.

Ask them and I'll tell you if the answer is a lie or not.

are you gang banging several other posters who are also clueless Why don't you answer him? Do you want me to tell him for you?

How has Shepherd tried harder than previous chairman? How hard was it to take over the 2nd best team in the country with a 10,000 waiting list for season tickets? Shepherd was handed the best chance this club has ever had and he's ballsed it up while making failure look easy. As for HTL's comment that I agreed with, I think what you are trying to do by measuring ambition by how much a club spends is absolute rubbish, you should only spend what you can afford, is spending 100% of a £5 more ambitious than someone who spends 50% of a £20? Chelsea have more money then any other team in Britian and they use it. It doesn't mean they have more ambition than the rest of the clubs, you really are blinkered and narrow minded when it comes to defending Shepherd but we'll not be able to see right through you. I'd love to know the real reason why somebody who claims to support the club defends the very thing that takes it backwards, that takes some working out.