Mick

He arrived in December 97, opened his mouth in a brothel and resigned durning March 98 and legged it for a few months then returned in December 1998. http://www.nufcmismanagement.info/shepherd-facts.html

Shepherd became chairman durign 97-98 season. Four lower half finishes, four upper. This season will have him either averaging either top or bottom. Excellent set of stats though, does that make you as boring as me :winking: You'll have to get used to the fact that some people will just not believing them though, and adding your own personal comment is very dangerous :roll: Was the time you mention not his return from disgrace?

He'll have been sitting at home in front of the mirror practicing for his next icnewcastle video. bluebiggrin.gif

It is strange to read a 'secret' in a newspaper. I also found this strange in Alan Oliver's "Flight of fancy" article on ICNewcastle: - "While I was waiting at the luggage carousel at Heraklion Airport I picked up a text from Glenn Roeder saying that United had been drawn in the hardest group in the competition." Our manager text messages a journalist to let him know the UEFA draw? Surely not? Probably, he wouldn't find out any other way! Sad but true.

My first reaction on seeing the thread was to look left to see if it was a poll. bluebiggrin.gif

I've said Shepherd is no better than the chairman of the past, fact. If you want to make a case for Shepherd then go through and add who was the chairman at the time to we can compare like for like, we can then look to see who has taken us further backwards while in office. The others will not have the financial clout that Freddy was handed on a plate but we'll put that to one side as nobody can say how much they actually did have for sure. We do know that the game has never had as much money so it can be taken for granted that Freddy isn't at a disadvantage on that score.

Class isn't it.

This is totally out of character for a Chronicle employee to base an article on shite information by that I mean him using the old information as if current. The Chronicle are still the club apologists despite all of the stick they've been getting.

Is Roeder going to pay for these players by personal cheque? If not then I think an official bid might alert the club in question is to who is buying.

If you've read the book then from what you've said on here I get the impression that you only looked at the pictures, you clearly have as many problems reading books as you do reading posts on here. You go on about Man U losing money on Beardsley, they didn't lose a penny as far as I'm aware, and it wasn't mentioned in the book. The money was a returnable deposit and I'm sure they got it all back. You've quoted me ad saying that Beardsley was "well known," that's just you cherry picking again, I said he was well known enough for Man U to be interested in him, not the unknown that he was made out to be earlier in this thread. If he was unknown then Man U would not have gone after him in the first place , try thinking for a change. I've read the "interesting post by kiwi" and I am truly indebted that he's pointed out that macbeth's a T*** (my words not his) for not highlighting that our catering is so good, bad macbeth. The next time I sit in a freezing cold stand watching crap, I'll think back to the time I found out that our catering (something Freddy knows a lot about) was held with such high regard. I think somebody should come up with a match day song so that we can tell everybody how well our catering side of the business is going. so what you are saying is that manure buy nothing other than well known players --- another gem. And let them go for less than they paid, and you didn;t reply why he went to Canada, and why no one other than us were interested in buying him ..... if you know anything about the link, you will know that the only reason we had heard of him was because of a tip from Bob Moncur. But keep making things up....fantastically funny ... Why did he piss off to Liverpool ? In fact why didn't he sign for them in the first place, if he was so well known and Liverpool being less than an hour from Manchester......... :lol: Where did I say Man U only buy well known players? Another lie developed between the lugs of NE5. bluebiggrin.gif I've highlighted it to make it easier to remember what you said yourself. but if he was so well known, why didn't he go to a top club, like Liverpool at the time ? Why not try answering or engaging your brain ? I'm sure everyone else on here can work out the answer to that ..... Keep making things up. bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif bluesleep.gif I'll let those who can read decide, this has become really boring, even by your standards.

Agreed, it looks horrible .

See that key on your keboard called "caps lock" ? See that long key at the bottom? You don't press it before you use the "?" key. bluebiggrin.gif

If you've read the book then from what you've said on here I get the impression that you only looked at the pictures, you clearly have as many problems reading books as you do reading posts on here. You go on about Man U losing money on Beardsley, they didn't lose a penny as far as I'm aware, and it wasn't mentioned in the book. The money was a returnable deposit and I'm sure they got it all back. You've quoted me ad saying that Beardsley was "well known," that's just you cherry picking again, I said he was well known enough for Man U to be interested in him, not the unknown that he was made out to be earlier in this thread. If he was unknown then Man U would not have gone after him in the first place, try thinking for a change. I've read the "interesting post by kiwi" and I am truly indebted that he's pointed out that macbeth's a T*** (my words not his) for not highlighting that our catering is so good, bad macbeth. The next time I sit in a freezing cold stand watching crap, I'll think back to the time I found out that our catering (something Freddy knows a lot about) was held with such high regard. I think somebody should come up with a match day song so that we can tell everybody how well our catering side of the business is going. so what you are saying is that manure buy nothing other than well known players --- another gem. And let them go for less than they paid, and you didn;t reply why he went to Canada, and why no one other than us were interested in buying him ..... if you know anything about the link, you will know that the only reason we had heard of him was because of a tip from Bob Moncur. But keep making things up....fantastically funny ... Why did he piss off to Liverpool ? In fact why didn't he sign for them in the first place, if he was so well known and Liverpool being less than an hour from Manchester......... :lol: Where did I say Man U only buy well known players? Another lie developed between the lugs of NE5. bluebiggrin.gif Man U didn't let Beardsley go for less than they paid for him, again the penny doesn't drop even when you claim to have read the book. As for us getting a tip from Moncur, that's not entirely true. We had planned to give him a trial the week after he originally went to Carlisle and John Gibson used to play with himself over Beardsley. Newcastle knew about Beardsley before he played for Carlisle, not just during or after. I didn't reply about why he went to Canada because you didn't ask a question, you may have thought about asking one but you didn't ask and I don't read minds which is a bonus when it's you. You've got the memory of a goldfish; I suggest that you read your posts again in future before demanding answers to questions that you haven't even asked, I'll not bother asking for a link to the question as you don't do links.

Does anybody know why my post count never goes up?

If you've read the book then from what you've said on here I get the impression that you only looked at the pictures, you clearly have as many problems reading books as you do reading posts on here. You go on about Man U losing money on Beardsley, they didn't lose a penny as far as I'm aware, and it wasn't mentioned in the book. The money was a returnable deposit and I'm sure they got it all back. You've quoted me ad saying that Beardsley was "well known," that's just you cherry picking again, I said he was well known enough for Man U to be interested in him, not the unknown that he was made out to be earlier in this thread. If he was unknown then Man U would not have gone after him in the first place, try thinking for a change. I've read the "interesting post by kiwi" and I am truly indebted that he's pointed out that macbeth's a twat (my words not his) for not highlighting that our catering is so good, bad macbeth. The next time I sit in a freezing cold stand watching crap, I'll think back to the time I found out that our catering (something Freddy knows a lot about) was held with such high regard. I think somebody should come up with a match day song so that we can tell everybody how well our catering side of the business is going.

Nobody has ever said that new owners would guarantee success. What most people in favour have said is that they would expect the club to be run in a professional manner, something which hasn't been the case since within months of Shepherd becoming chairman. Most people would also expect the club to be run as a business which strives for success. I think a lot of people expect a company like Belgravia would want to take cash out so would invest, they'd speculate to accumulate. Not all businesses are run like this but most of the better ones are. Shepherd does not guarantee success, he almost guarantees the opposite, the man was handed so much on a plate and he’s thrown it away, he’s a total incompetent and the few that supports him, support mediocrity. Shepherd has given the managers money, the surprising thing is that the best one spent the least amount of cash to achieve the best performance and that's without taking into consideration that his success would have earned the club more cash than those who spent more. Sir Bobby will have been the closest manager to becoming self financing, this in some way proves that you don't need to spend crazy amounts of cash, you need to get the right manager, so far Shepherd has done this once and shit on that manager, if it was only Shepherd paying for that decision then I’d be over the moon but it’s not only the parasite, it’s also all of us. Nobody has said the old board were good, what I've said is that I don't think Shepherd is any better. Yes, he's spent more cash than them but at a time when the club and game in general have more cash, something that you and your brother What proof have you got that Shepherd is not just happy with retaining our PL status? His last two appointments don't suggest an attack on the likes of Man U and Chelsea at the top of the league. He's absolutely clueless when it comes to running a football club that is supposedly trying to win something.

Once again you try to change history to fit your agenda, pathetic but funny. I think you should read Beardsley’s book if you doubt the interest Man U had in the unknown Beardsley, of course one of the most knowledgeable players could have lost his marbles when writing the book or may be lying. bluebiggrin.gif

You'll be able to afford the club if Shepherd is around for much longer.

Fair enough. I guess I should have guessed before by the fact that you want the club to be taken over by someone (anyone) who will take the club off the stock market and make the club’s finances totally opaque that you were a supporter of self-serving and unaccountable governments. What will you do with your spare time though, and what will happen to: when you have no financial information to misrepresent simplify for others? What relation are you to NE5? He's never mentioned you before.

before 1991 the US had never had a president who got them into Arab lands. Since then they have been there more often than any other country. Which other country had given its troops the opportunity to compete abroad the way them Bush's have ? Where were you when those other presidents presided over the embarrassments of previous decades. Were you there ? Did you live through incompetent presidents. I did, I know how it was, you have no idea unless you were there. Well listen to me, this president is far better than any that have gone before. The Bush's have always backed their troops. Okay the last appointment of Rumsfeld didn't work out, but who at the time argues against it ? Did you. Don't remember you saying anything ? So Bush is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. You might want a new president but how do you know the next one would be any better ? How do you know that a new guy, or even woman, would be able to do any better than Bush ? I would rather stick with Bush who clearly knows how to back his troops into body bags than gamble on some unknown. Macbeth, get him out of your pocket. bluebiggrin.gif

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We've never bought crap players while Shepherd has been chairman, NE5 fact. We only buy Woodgates Shearers and Owens, NE5 never cherry picks. bluebiggrin.gif

I think Shepherd has failed based on 9 years, not 3. They didn't fail during those seasons you mention but they are not the norm, they're an exception, they have a success rate of 33%, a failute rate of 67%. As the spin about Beardsley, I said Is it that "Beardsley was well known enough for Man U to pay money up front to his club and agreed a fee of £500,000 to take him to Manchester United while nobody had heard of him?" Is the bold quote true or not? As for the players whto compare with Owen, why not compare them with Ronny Johnsen, Boumsong, Faye, Fumaca, Lionel Perez, I'll not bother mentioning any more. bluebiggrin.gif

I'll take that as an admission.

Peter Beardsley wasn't at Carlisle after Man U, he was playing in Canada when invited to go to Man U on trial, he went to Canada from Carlisle and was due to go to Newcastle on trial the week after Bob Moncur offered him a contract at Carlisle. You must have known this because John Gibson went on about Beardsley a lot before he joined us from Vancouver. Man U were prepared to pay Vancouver £500,000 when he joined them on trial, Man U actually paid part of that up front. We got Beardsley on the cheap because of the problems that all of the teams in North America were having financially. The league was thought to be in melt-down and ready to go bust so Vancouver decided that anything was better than nothing.