Mick

Back on topic, NUSC will not get a penny out of me.

I've never said that Doug Ellis was a good Chairman.

Turn up at the Irish club every night and hope you've struck lucky, it's about the only way.

I can only guess that the self appointed committee have had another secret meeting.

I'm glad you brought it up, the forum was dead before you did.

You don't know how close I was to adding that to my original post.

I think the two of them have had the same argument with others and have probably just get sick of repeating themselves, I don't think you're the problem, it's probably just the number of times they've said it.

His one season was one place better.

Thread over.

Chez and Liam O do know what they are talking about, it's what they are paid to do.

I just wish everybody had thought things through before acting and I include myself in that. I applauded the cockney mafia banner but didn't think for one minute that things would go the way that they have. I honestly thought that the protests were against Llambias and Wise so acted on that, what a mong. I think most of us have acted on emotions and the head has played second fiddle, in my defence, at least I've thought about it since and changed my stance to a certain degree.

His willingness to take a loss will depend on his desperation to sell because of protests and his requirement for a cash boost.

He paid off debts within the last 12 months which came to more than £20 million.

I think they claim to represent the fans so the numbers of members is dwarfed by the number who go to games and rightly or wrongly, they probably carry that number around with them for now.

I'm not even sure Ashley is the problem at the club, I think his MD and what has happened since his appointment is the main problem but I could be wrong.

He said he'd put £20 million a year in, that's more than anybody else has done before.

What Ashley wants and ends up getting are totally different so using hypothetical figures for an argument is fairly useless, and that would be the same if I guessed he'd get £100 million and used that to build an argument around.

Like I said, pathetic. They are so one tracked that it's unbelievable.

That might turn out to be the case but he might have to sell at a loss because of the global financial crisis which is closing the institutions which control the financial markets, even people who are cash rich are potentially in danger. Stick your £2 billion in Barclays, it goes down and the government will give you £50,000 back.

The problem I see is that they're all thinking the same way and because they are surrounded by like minded people they will carry on doing the same thing.

I honestly think he'll struggle to make much of a profit on the club sale and I think Premiership clubs are going to struggle just like almost every other business sector over the next couple of years. A couple of clubs are almost immune because of who owns the clubs but even they are in danger to some extent.

I doubt for one minute that he thought that he was risking £300 million on a bet, we don't even know if he's lost that much anyway.

He didn't have to pay off as many of the loans as he did, he had to pay off something like £45 million. As for him not being willing to risk a penny, I'll go back to the £240 million that he's spent so far, that's a risk as he's not guaranteed to get his money back when he sells up. This is a very bad time to try to get large sums of money out of anybody as banks are just not lending to anybody and those who will give out loans are asking for a lot of interest in return. My guess is that we're probably needing a cash buyer and I don't think they grow on trees.

Stories in the papers over the last week have suggested we'll be bought by Nigerians and South Africans, it doesn't mean we will be.

Why should they be believed?