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Meant to add Richie to the list.

Reckon it will be: Darlow Yedlin Lascelles Clark Dummett Shelvey Hayden Atsu Diame Gouffran Mitrovic Gayle, Anita, Colback and Perez will come back in for Hull game.

Spot on, it's like watching a different player.

Basically, KI is saying that it might have been given. That's the sum of his contribution.

Your argument ignores reality. As far as your concerned there's no ambiguity and the rules are clear. Penalty decisions like that are regularly inconsistent though, so ye know, there's that. The rules are fucking clear man. The problem is that ref's misjudge the action, not the rule. In this case, the ref got it correct.

We did man. Benitez is god.

He's lost me now.

The 'natural sway of your arm' argument doesn't really work when you're diving in to block the ball. He makes a situation where his arm is out away from his body when he knows the ball is coming his way, it's his choice. He didn't deliberately stop the ball with his arm, so it's not a penalty. There is no way in that short distance with the ball travelling that fast he'd have the time to think and put his arm in front of the ball (also noting his arm was stationary throughout and didn't move towards the ball). There is no argument here, it's just simply not a penalty. no argument. From Graham Poll The rules are nowhere near as simple as you're making out like, otherwise there would literally never be a penalty given for handball. From the FA's website: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#WQQIIAOeJPSscHJY.99 Because "refs have given them before" doesn't make it a penalty, or mean it should even be discussed as one. Previous bad calls do not set a precedent to start giving penalties. The laws of the game in this situation are pretty clear, there is absolutely no reason to give a penalty in that situation. It's not even close to being a penalty. Christ almighty, so because the rules are as you interpret them, despite there being numerous examples of professional referees interpreting them differently to you, there's no argument and no discussion despite this being an argument and this being a discussion. Also known as the 'la la la not listening' method. You are wrong KI. It wasn't a penalty, simple. Wrong? I never said it was a penalty. I said that it's in the 'seen them given' category and would have been soft, because rightly or wrongly, we've seen them given. Figures is the one living in the rule book and ignoring the reality where they're often given as penalties. So what you are actually saying is that refs sometimes get decisions wrong? Why not just say that.

Quoted for posterity. You're being arrogant and ignorant tbh, not to mention patronising, but I'm sure there'll be no penalties given this season in similar situations to Colback's, so you've nothing to worry about. Even if penalties are given in the exact same situation, it makes no difference - it still isn't a penalty and would just be an incorrect decision. So if it's a penalty, it wasn't a penalty. Like I said, it's the 'la la la not listening' method. What are you blabbering on about. It's dead simple, by the letter of the law, it wasn't a pen. The fact that some idiot ref may have incorrectly given it doesn't even enter the equation.

Quoted for posterity. You're being arrogant and ignorant tbh, not to mention patronising, but I'm sure there'll be no penalties given this season in similar situations to Colback's, so you've nothing to worry about. Even if penalties are given in the exact same situation, it makes no difference - it still isn't a penalty and would just be an incorrect decision. You are right. The law says it wasn't a pen. I hate this, "I've seen them given", bullshit. It was as much a pen as the second goal was offside.

The 'natural sway of your arm' argument doesn't really work when you're diving in to block the ball. He makes a situation where his arm is out away from his body when he knows the ball is coming his way, it's his choice. He didn't deliberately stop the ball with his arm, so it's not a penalty. There is no way in that short distance with the ball travelling that fast he'd have the time to think and put his arm in front of the ball (also noting his arm was stationary throughout and didn't move towards the ball). There is no argument here, it's just simply not a penalty. no argument. From Graham Poll The rules are nowhere near as simple as you're making out like, otherwise there would literally never be a penalty given for handball. From the FA's website: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#WQQIIAOeJPSscHJY.99 Because "refs have given them before" doesn't make it a penalty, or mean it should even be discussed as one. Previous bad calls do not set a precedent to start giving penalties. The laws of the game in this situation are pretty clear, there is absolutely no reason to give a penalty in that situation. It's not even close to being a penalty. Christ almighty, so because the rules are as you interpret them, despite there being numerous examples of professional referees interpreting them differently to you, there's no argument and no discussion despite this being an argument and this being a discussion. Also known as the 'la la la not listening' method. You are wrong KI. It wasn't a penalty, simple.

Monk needs to buy a new jacket.

Aye it was game over ages ago.

Perez is knackered.

Mitro

Sky want a Leeds goal, bless.

Reckon Colback will be subbed, now that he's been booked.

Clark has outshone Lascelles again. Had some dodgy kicks the skipper.

Green, man.

Credit to Colback, started that move. I know, I know.

Worldy

Do something Rafa.

Fucking Colback man.

The 'natural sway of your arm' argument doesn't really work when you're diving in to block the ball. He makes a situation where his arm is out away from his body when he knows the ball is coming his way, it's his choice. He didn't deliberately stop the ball with his arm, so it's not a penalty. There is no way in that short distance with the ball travelling that fast he'd have the time to think and put his arm in front of the ball (also noting his arm was stationary throughout and didn't move towards the ball). There is no argument here, it's just simply not a penalty. That's not how it works. It would have been soft, but it's definitely in the 'seen them given' category. It is like. Has to be deliberate.

Wasn't a pen like. Perez off please.