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Who gives a f*** what you think

He tried to sell up because that's what we as fans wanted, he refused to return calls when Man City's new owners were interested in us, that was before Keegan left. Where you find this?

When Ashley came didnt he have to pay off the stadium immediately because of the change of ownership, ain;t this reflected in the accounts??

..and yet you do the same and not answer his question - pure hypocrisy.

And you base this opinion on what? I would suggest you have a long hard look at Spurs who don't seem to be faring any better since they abandoned the DOF system. The problem with football today is fans are all used to living by the credit card culture, namely buy today and pay tomorrow, and they don't see why football clubs don't do the same. All Ashley is pointing out is that the previous regime did just that and now a price has to be paid or we will eventually go to the wall, and I personally thank our lucky stars we have an owner who has the financial acumen to resolve our debts. And lets not forget that Llambias has pointed out that our debt will be reducing year on year and the club will be clear of debt within three more seasons. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal all have excessive debt but when they need to sign a player the money is always available. This whole finances thing with Ashley is his way to win back over the fans - a huge smokescreen, didn't he say not long ago the club was debt free? Now we are still paying staggered transfers - which by the way happens at every single club (and very standard way to do transfers) so that's the reason we cant afford anything. He f***ed up the January window, fans were getting on his back again so to buy more time we had the "in 5 years we will be competing in everything, in two years be able to sign the players without going into my own pocket" quotes.

good game this

Given the hysteria surrounding his arrival from both Spurs supporters & the media & then the amount of time he lasted he should be pretty near the top of the list IYAM. He won them a trophy in his first season in charge and they sold his first choice strikers for him in the summer. Not too mention he weren't in charge of players purchased and he couldn't speak English properly. You forget the demolition of Arsenal and the football they played? His name shouldn't be there, it's a ridiculous inclusion.

Yep i still think he is good enough to play for any club in the world. Best set piece taker in the world. He isn't imo it's Andrea Pirlo or Ryan Taylor

I don't get how you can blame Shepherd at all to be honest. Every club has debt, Mike Ashley - being a top businessman apparently - bought us without even checking everything and then after realizing started to blame the previous owners. You couldn't make it up.

I am starting to think that we care more about Spurs then most of their own fans. It's getting ridiculous on this board constantly harping on about them.

Keegan manager

The only thing Llambias meant when he was talking about "being an Aston Villa" was that their owner didn't spent very much at all in their first two seasons, helped balance the debt, and then slowly moved forward. But, if you hate Ashley you're not really willing to look at that anyway. Ashley won't make money until we are challenging in the league, why can't anyone see that? The past regime pocketed over 150 millions pounds while Ashley has pocketed ZERO so far. He's not penny pinching for the sake of lining his own pockets, he's making sure the club is on an even keel before we push forward and make our moves up the table. It has been almost three years since Lerner bought the Villains and they are just now moving up the league. Cut Ashley some slack and let him balance the books before we start calling for his head. In the next year or two we're going to have one of the best academies producing youngsters in the country and we'll be making our way up the table. That's what their "five year plan" is all about; keep us in the Prem, funnel through very useful youngsters, and slowly invest in the team in a competent and responsible manner. I think fans have given him plenty of time, there has been very very few things positive about his rein so far. Would you disagree with that? Also more recently they completely messed up January.

A triple bypass wow, that's terrible. Hope the guy gets well soon.

It's posts like this that make me laugh. Everything they say is bollocks except the JFK craic eh? Do you really think Llambias is going to come out and say, "erm roight we fink Jawou iz a bit ov awright, ba ee aynt got a cloo abaat nuffink, and we're looking to get rid asap" He's their appointment, and they're merely showing their appreciation for him taking on the job. Joe Kinnear will not be NUFC manager beyond the end of this season. Of this I am confident. If he is installed as a permanent manager, I will turn on them personally just like everyone else. Omg you honestly don't see the issue with this here? The mere fact that JFK was offered a long term contract is the problem. His results so far has been average at best and that is being generous. They have clearly no ambition if they believe him or someone of his caliber is the man for the job. We might as well go and appoint Souness or Roeder again. It's that level of ambition. What I am trying to say is that it could all be a ploy to show the world that they don't change managers like they change socks, and that they are willing to commit to an employee they believe in. This could be to encourage future incumbents who may hesitate to apply for the job in the summer when it is vacant, without having any concerns about the board's desire to establish stability. For the record, I do NOT think keeping JK is a good idea, and I suspect Ashley and co also realize that we could do much better! You have heard from 2 sources confirming there is a contract and Mike Ashley being interviewed saying Kinnear is his hero. Everyone in football knows that Kinnear was always going to be a short term solution so i don't buy into your argument that they are putting out quotes to make it seem we are stable. They believe Kinnear is a good idea because they all have a good working relationship, it certainly isn't based on football results. That is my take on it. relax,it doesn't matter. i have it from a higher source that getting a manager to get results is a lottery anyway. good post

You could of simply replied to the posters whose opinions are different to your own and just argued your point from there. Didn't need this thread, was never going to end well.

It's posts like this that make me laugh. Everything they say is bollocks except the JFK craic eh? Do you really think Llambias is going to come out and say, "erm roight we fink Jawou iz a bit ov awright, ba ee aynt got a cloo abaat nuffink, and we're looking to get rid asap" He's their appointment, and they're merely showing their appreciation for him taking on the job. Joe Kinnear will not be NUFC manager beyond the end of this season. Of this I am confident. If he is installed as a permanent manager, I will turn on them personally just like everyone else. Omg you honestly don't see the issue with this here? The mere fact that JFK was offered a long term contract is the problem. His results so far has been average at best and that is being generous. They have clearly no ambition if they believe him or someone of his caliber is the man for the job. We might as well go and appoint Souness or Roeder again. It's that level of ambition. What I am trying to say is that it could all be a ploy to show the world that they don't change managers like they change socks, and that they are willing to commit to an employee they believe in. This could be to encourage future incumbents who may hesitate to apply for the job in the summer when it is vacant, without having any concerns about the board's desire to establish stability. For the record, I do NOT think keeping JK is a good idea, and I suspect Ashley and co also realize that we could do much better! You have heard from 2 sources confirming there is a contract and Mike Ashley being interviewed saying Kinnear is his hero. Everyone in football knows that Kinnear was always going to be a short term solution so i don't buy into your argument that they are putting out quotes to make it seem we are stable. They believe Kinnear is a good idea because they all have a good working relationship, it certainly isn't based on football results. That is my take on it.

There are at least two NUFC employees that have N-O accounts. The one's you least expect usually MartinJol and kingdawson tbh.

Im not saying that happens here. It certainly does happen though with brands, i think Sony were found out for employing 'shills' to post on message boards about their digital equipement, etc.

It's posts like this that make me laugh. Everything they say is bollocks except the JFK craic eh? Do you really think Llambias is going to come out and say, "erm roight we fink Jawou iz a bit ov awright, ba ee aynt got a cloo abaat nuffink, and we're looking to get rid asap" He's their appointment, and they're merely showing their appreciation for him taking on the job. Joe Kinnear will not be NUFC manager beyond the end of this season. Of this I am confident. If he is installed as a permanent manager, I will turn on them personally just like everyone else. Omg you honestly don't see the issue with this here? The mere fact that JFK was offered a long term contract is the problem. His results so far has been average at best and that is being generous. They have clearly no ambition if they believe him or someone of his caliber is the man for the job. We might as well go and appoint Souness or Roeder again. It's that level of ambition.

Other than his 250M outlay, yes you are correct. Which he tried to sell for big profit at the first sign of trouble yeh.

Hughton was the worst caretaker manager i have ever seen. Have they learnt nothing if this is true?! We are more likely to sink down the table with this guy in charge than pushing on up and we are hardly safe now. Ridiculous move, keep him in charge of one game maximum.

Right. Let me get this straight. You believe that JK is staying, because the club have apparently offered him a contract, but you don't believe the club about anything else that was answered in the Q&A? The only problem i had with the Q&A was the 'challenge everything in 5 years' - which lets be honest is quite a statement. When someone says they have been offered and doesn't get denied by people in charge. You can't really argue against it - as that is exactly what has happenned. There much be some substance to it.

I doubt any club would come out and release a statement saying the manager is lying which will undermine him. I'm not sure what will happen but I wouldn't be surprised if him and the club have agreed to part at the end of the season but they will let Kinnear say it was his decision to walk away with his head held high. Im sure they would correct him, he is basically lying his ass off to whole of England if you believe we haven't Do the club need more confusion and criticism of poor communication with fans? I really don't think they would risk that.

This is fantasy imho, i would like to believe it but god no. So the players that arrived in January they are going to be over the moon for the new employers to have lied to them. Ashley when he took the club off the market he had time to appoint a manager before January. He didn't. There are no big benefits of lying to supporters, players, whole nation so you can attract Kevin Nolan and Ryan Taylor. Love it how you made this thread as i wouldn't reply to you in the Q&A and now only reply to my comments. Obsessed little man aren't you? mackems.gif It was brought up a few times on that thread not just that instance. Many people seem to share your opinion, so what you complaining about. The fact you call my opinion 'fantasy' or 'Delusional'. Just accept i have a view, it doesn't match yours and there's no point trying to get a rise out of me by being a tit about it. You have an opinion sure i don't get how you can be 99% sure of it or as 'good as certain' that is all. Required some explaining to be honest. I would like to believe it but don't buy into elaborate conspiracy theories.

This is fantasy imho, i would like to believe it but god no. So the players that arrived in January they are going to be over the moon for the new employers to have lied to them. Ashley when he took the club off the market he had time to appoint a manager before January. He didn't. There are no big benefits of lying to supporters, players, whole nation so you can attract Kevin Nolan and Ryan Taylor. Love it how you made this thread as i wouldn't reply to you in the Q&A and now only reply to my comments. Obsessed little man aren't you? mackems.gif It was brought up a few times on that thread not just that instance. Many people seem to share your opinion, so what you complaining about.