Unbelievable

Wow, Di Canio has really helped Sunlun propel up the table.

We have players carrying each other all over the pitch. That explains the lack of movement then...

Young, French, highly rated striker leaving on a free. You'd have expected us to be all over that if true.

Give Ashley a Chance he has been in the game for 4 years. He learning the ropes. Logically he has little to loose , he has the recruiting under control , the wages and the profits. All he needs is a muppet which could make the team play good football and stay our of his ass. Doesn't seem that hard compared to when he first bought the club.. 6 years actually, almost to the date. A period in which he appointed 5 managers, all of whom where English, cheap and mediocre, apart from Keegan who he decided to undermine. He has a proven track record of terrible management choices, and the things in which we seem to be improving as you suggest (correctly btw) are a direct result of penny pinching, not some ambition to make us a top club in England. Logic dictates our next managerial appointment will have to be cheap, willing to work in a system where he has no control over recruitment and quite probably English unfortunately. 2 of them were actually Irish to be pedantic. English, British, Irish, all the same to us continentals.. Aye, we think the same. Dutch, Deutsch – what's the difference?

Give Ashley a Chance he has been in the game for 4 years. He learning the ropes. Logically he has little to loose , he has the recruiting under control , the wages and the profits. All he needs is a muppet which could make the team play good football and stay our of his ass. Doesn't seem that hard compared to when he first bought the club.. 6 years actually, almost to the date. A period in which he appointed 5 managers, all of whom where English, cheap and mediocre, apart from Keegan who he decided to undermine. He has a proven track record of terrible management choices, and the things in which we seem to be improving as you suggest (correctly btw) are a direct result of penny pinching, not some ambition to make us a top club in England. Logic dictates our next managerial appointment will have to be cheap, willing to work in a system where he has no control over recruitment and quite probably English unfortunately. 2 of them were actually Irish to be pedantic. English, British, Irish, all the same to us continentals..

Give Ashley a Chance he has been in the game for 4 years. He learning the ropes. Logically he has little to loose , he has the recruiting under control , the wages and the profits. All he needs is a muppet which could make the team play good football and stay our of his ass. Doesn't seem that hard compared to when he first bought the club.. 6 years actually, almost to the date. A period in which he appointed 5 managers, all of whom were British, cheap and mediocre, apart from Keegan who he decided to undermine. He has a proven track record of terrible management choices, and the things in which we seem to be improving as you suggest (correctly btw) are a direct result of penny pinching, not some ambition to make us a top club in England. Logic dictates our next managerial appointment will have to be cheap, willing to work in a system where he has no control over recruitment and quite probably English unfortunately.

Good list. Shame we only do English managers.

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. It has came from posters on here though. If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man. Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad. Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest? I honestly cannot be arsed to look back and check usernames and any educated guesses would be unfair, but considering the debate was all about stability a week or so ago I know a few were spouting it. Again though if stability isn't part of the argument for keeping him in charge then that's another pretty massive reason why he shouldn't be. You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons. You're not serious? EDIT: Hans has already pointed out that you're talking s***. Err

Better at what? Managing the team or not questionning his authority?

Personally I'm convinced we can do better than Pardew. However, I don't trust Ashley to get the appointment right at all. Neither do I believe he will want to change manager at this time.

The football was decent at times last season but he ditched what worked for us as soon as he could. The football was also s*** at times last season. More than s*** at times. It's pretty clear a lot of people get blinded by results, and fair enough I guess, but still hate when some say we played very good football last season. It's not true, we finished 5th but we were nowhere near convincing for a big part of that season. I agree with that, but not many teams in the Premiership play consistently good football throughout a season, not even the ones finishing high up on the table.

Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying. You're just creating extra conditions in an attempt to weasel out of a couple of utterly moronic comments. I'm not going to sit and read old debates in the effort to keep satisfying these conditions, the fact I searched that out was bad enough As Dave said the Moyes argument has been used, as has the Alex Ferguson argument, if you have missed these then fair enough, they have definitely happened though. Of course those people probably didn't really want Pardew to stay like, they were just resigned to it. It's not a new condition. I said nobody has said they wanted Pardew to remain manager for reasons of stability right from the offset. You proved somebody used the word stability though, good on you. Edit: second part of your post

No. The stability argument for me is that stability in itself will lead to improved results over time as opposed to chopping and changing, which is what Dekka and Mike seem to suggest in their statement 8 months ago. As HF has stated, stability follows success, not the other way around.

Fair point. But... last season he was decent. The football was decent too. I know this season has been awful but none of us know which way next season would go under Pardew. We can't know. Since we can't know what kind of football we'll have until we're playing it, the only stuff that matters are the external factors like stability and relationships in the club. Wow, you found a post where the words Pardew and stability are used in the same sentence. Now point me to the part where said poster says he wants Pardew to stay. At the very most LA seems resigned to Pardew staying.

Pardew is a prick. I've never liked him. It was a sad day for me when he was appointed. We replaced one average manager with another average manager, but at least the last one was likeable. People are getting very worked up over ousting the bloke...so we can get another middle of the road jouneyman in to peddle mediocrity. What's the point in that? you point is you want him to stay solely based on the assumption if sacked Ashley will replace him with another journeyman? He doesn't "want him to stay" FFS... based on that i assume he prefer him to stay, unless you speak for HF or you are the same person. What? Just because you don't understand what he's saying and I do.. mind telling me what his crack is since you two know each other so well HF been on here putting up his side of views... basically saying, pardew is not a bad manager but he wants to sacked? if im mistaken then you can cleared it up for me. *Sigh* His argument is simply that many of the criticisms against Pardew are not factually correct, and that to suggest he's simply shit is a gross oversimplification of why our season has been such a big disappointment. He's even saying he doesn't like him as a manager, but is willing to conceed there are mitigating circumstances that explain at least in part why we have been as bad as we have. Doesn't equal to him wanting Pardew to remain our manager by any stretch of the imagination, unless you just can't or aren't willing to understand what he's actually saying.

Pardew is a prick. I've never liked him. It was a sad day for me when he was appointed. We replaced one average manager with another average manager, but at least the last one was likeable. People are getting very worked up over ousting the bloke...so we can get another middle of the road jouneyman in to peddle mediocrity. What's the point in that? you point is you want him to stay solely based on the assumption if sacked Ashley will replace him with another journeyman? He doesn't "want him to stay" FFS... based on that i assume he prefer him to stay, unless you speak for HF or you are the same person. What? Just because you don't understand what he's saying and I do..

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. It has came from posters on here though. If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man. Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad. Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest? Aye I was wrong to laugh- HF hasn't used that argument oh here tbf. Plenty of others have though. Its become hard to attribute the correct opinion to each poster considering the clusterfuck this thread has been Nobody has ever used that argument, literally nobody.. What? The amount of times I've read "I'm willing to forgive X,Y and Z for the sake of stability..." If I had a quarter for every time ... POIDH

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. It has came from posters on here though. If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man. Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad. Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest? I honestly cannot be arsed to look back and check usernames and any educated guesses would be unfair, but considering the debate was all about stability a week or so ago I know a few were spouting it. Again though if stability isn't part of the argument for keeping him in charge then that's another pretty massive reason why he shouldn't be. You've just made an argument up and claimed it was being used by posters on here, and you can't be arsed to prove it, because you know you can't. Nobody has claimed they want him to remain our manager, let alone for stability reasons.

Pardew is a prick. I've never liked him. It was a sad day for me when he was appointed. We replaced one average manager with another average manager, but at least the last one was likeable. People are getting very worked up over ousting the bloke...so we can get another middle of the road jouneyman in to peddle mediocrity. What's the point in that? you point is you want him to stay solely based on the assumption if sacked Ashley will replace him with another journeyman? He doesn't "want him to stay" FFS...

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. It has came from posters on here though. If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man. Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad. Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest? Aye I was wrong to laugh- HF hasn't used that argument oh here tbf. Plenty of others have though. Its become hard to attribute the correct opinion to each poster considering the clusterfuck this thread has been Nobody has ever used that argument, literally nobody..

Happy Face doesn't "want him to stay" FFS. It's not that hard to understand what he's saying, along with a few others..

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. It has came from posters on here though. If you're not a believer in stability (I am) then I see little reason why we shouldn't get rid now and try some fresh ideas, if it doesn't work then it doesn't matter, we can just give them the chop and bring in another man. Try not to respond through the eyes of Mike Ashley, or at least what you perceive his thoughts to be, it's incredibly irritating and ultimately irrelevant to the debate of whether or not Pardew is good enough for our squad. Which posters have argued Pardew should remain our manager for the sake of stability out of interest?

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, taht there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter. I f***ing hate the stability thing. Stability should only mean anything if that stability brings change in a positive way. Man Utd stuck with Fergie because he won them trophies. Everton stuck with Moyes because he helped change their fortunes. Arsenal have stuck with Wenger because he has won trophies and delivers key goals namely CL footy and good football every season. Should we have stuck with Big Sam for the sake of stability? Or how about Souness? Not sure if you've even read my post, but I agree wholehartedly with your point of view. I think everybody on here does, which was my point to begin with..

Which argument is this? The only sane argument that anyone could possibly have for keeping Pardew. The only sane argument that anybody could possibly have for keeping Pardew if they had anything to say about the matter (i.e. if they were Mike Ashley) would be that he has overachieved last season, underachieved this, that there are mitigating circumstances to a certain extent and that he perhaps should be given more time to see what he can do next season. The stability argument hasn't come from any of the posters on here, it's come from that very same one person who indeed has the final say on the matter.

No it doesn't, not even close. I would say Yes to the poll as it is currently formulated, but would happily see him replaced. Surely you can see what we think will happen and what we want to happen are two different things? Edit: forget to add "lol" thanks sherlock lol You're welcome lol