Parky

Luque and Boomtang.

The balancing the books pronto is a strategy for a sale.

We're gonna end up like Sports Direct. Cheap and cheerful tat hiding behind an esteemed but slipping brand-name.

Easier to read now Nicos.

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours. EDIT - you mean the NUFC board? It was a response to the original post. I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club. So my first point stands then. Absolutley. You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other. f*** that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's. Why is that? Serious question. Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field. Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away. At least we as fans got something from the previous regime. Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits? Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me. ... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood. (Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As s*** as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality). Our February 17th (today) points total is currently lower than it was at any point under the chairmanship of Freddy Shepherd, so I don't see how you can say he had us closer to Championship football than Ashley does. It's far more realistic now than it has been previously. The rate of our downfall under the previous board was alarming, and we were headed down at a great speed. The only positive thing Ashley has done is to soften the drop and we will hope that he will bring that drop to a grinding halt. Just. Then we can start to build again. Though we were in the UEFA cup in Shepherds last season at the club. Another meaningless stat in the context of the actual reality of the situation. I'll be amazed if Ashley gets us into europe at any point. The thing about Shepherd was, he was a twat for hiring some shite managers. For sacking some good ones. For doing it at the wrong times. For taking millions out of the club in dividends and for spouting some shit in the press and on tape....but even with all that, there were only 2 seasons in 10 that Newcastle didn't get into Europe. He didn't accept mediocrity. My god! When you put it like that.

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours. EDIT - you mean the NUFC board? It was a response to the original post. I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club. So my first point stands then. Absolutley. You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other. Or me.

NUSC have to prove themselves to be a fully subscribed workable member driven organisation reprasenting the majority of fans opinions and have an impact on club policy BEFORE you'll subscribe? What a strange and defeatist attitude towards a supporters club in its infancy. Of course Ashley and his gang have had two years without any positive effect whatsoever, but they just need more time, which you're happy to give them.

also in negotiations you need to have something to offer, a bargaining chip, and NUSC simply have nothing...they might if things go from bad to worse and they get a popular following but right now they are just stampy feet kids as you say They should have got their initial anger and their immediate actions based purely on that out of their systems by now. They should by now have started to wise up with better PR etc. Approached the club explaining why they felt the need to start up, what they hope to evolve into (a true NUFC supporters club for all fans) and offering to hear what the club has to say with no strings attached. Its not so much what they have to offer now (little), but what they could offer in future ie working 'with' the club. Basically leave the torches and pitchforks at home and use the softly-softly approach. I'm running out of tissues here!! Whats the matter, the sting from your molotov cocktail a bit strong? mackems.gif

Are you on some sort of mission here?

also in negotiations you need to have something to offer, a bargaining chip, and NUSC simply have nothing...they might if things go from bad to worse and they get a popular following but right now they are just stampy feet kids as you say They should have got their initial anger and their immediate actions based purely on that out of their systems by now. They should by now have started to wise up with better PR etc. Approached the club explaining why they felt the need to start up, what they hope to evolve into (a true NUFC supporters club for all fans) and offering to hear what the club has to say with no strings attached. Its not so much what they have to offer now (little), but what they could offer in future ie working 'with' the club. Basically leave the torches and pitchforks at home and use the softly-softly approach. I'm running out of tissues here!!

Yes, but what Happy Face has chosen not to relay is that they were not profits that stayed in the club as that graph doesn't take into account dividends paid out. "In the 9 years the club has been a PLC, a profit after dividends has been made only twice. In those two years the profit was £200,000, in the 7 other years the losses have totalled £62m." It wasn't intended as an approval of the previous owners who I gave plenty of shit for the money they took out of the club. So you were just throwing in a 'half truth' then? Not at all. There are no dividends being paid at the club now. Without dividends, the previous owners pretty much able to run the club within it's means while spending enough on talented players to stay competetive by staggering debt repayments. However they chose to reward themselves massive payments which was a disgrace. Without dividends, the current owners are running at a massive loss because they insist on paying off debt immediately, even if it means no investment in players. A common ploy for a selling balance sheet. Wake up people.

The blowback has started.

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence. What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work? I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest, Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority, i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago. The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work. You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans. What a ridiculous thing to say. Name one positive thing that they've done in their six months. If you want, you can include something that has made Ashley's departure more likely as one of your "positive" things, you still won't find anything. Whatever your view on Ashley, NUSC has achieved nothing, other than self-publicity. I could make a much better argument for it being a vanity project than I've heard anyone make for it being a supporters' club, so far. I doubt you've got anything revelatory to add (simply because there is nothing), but you're welcome to try. Ha ha it's only been going a couple of months. Wait and learn.

i'm not going to argue with you on that score, i agree with you its shocking that there has been nothing said about what this rally is for or what they plan to achieve, they've had nearly 2 weeks to get the heads together and come up with something!! NUSC could become a good supporters' club, I just don't see any evidence of them doing so, or even trying to at present. As for the their anti-Ashley campaign, well the first thing you have to do if you're going to criticise someone's running of their organisation is to make sure that you don't do the exact same thing with yours, they don't seem to see the irony in that, let alone the hypocrisy. Won't deny its had "teething" problems but was always going to considering it was formed on the back of the Keegan dismissal and feelings among fans running high, this forum has been critical of NUSC for its hardline approach whereas i've read things on the chronicle forum and people on there are giving it a hardtime for not been hard enough!! I still believe its got a big future, whatever criticisms people on here have its growing daily, if you believe True Faith it already the largest and fastest growing independent correctly convened club supporters association in the UK(not sure what they mean by correctly convened mind), there's already as far as i'm aware plans for it to become a supporters trust which would be a good move and give it more power and credence. What is the significance of being a supporter's trust? How does that work? I can't remember exactly what was said to be honest, Colin Whittle proposed it at the first (and only!!) members meeting mpnths ago and it was voted through with a huge majority, i think he'd looked into starting one when there was the save our seats carry on years ago. The one thing that has stuck in head though is that if it gets trust status it can get government funding, but again i'm not sure how that would work. You see that's one of the main problems with NUSC, it's all about "how can we get bigger, how can we get more members and more publicity?" and very little about "why do we exist, what are we about, what are we trying to say and how can we serve our members' interests?". It just seems like one huge vanity project for its leadership built on the back of the current unrest amongst the fans. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Let the love in baby. So are you going to show up at 27 Rue de Helder 10.30am on 21st May, or what? Might have to at this rate. I'll stay at Chez's.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. absolutely not. but the champions league qualifications were a result of the big spending, had it been big spending that was manageable then there'd be no need for scorn, but it wasnt manageable, it was reckless. and thats why we are where we are. ah, now. I was one of the few people on here who urged caution when loads of posters were urging the club to "splash the cash" after every defeat, and to back Souness, because they said he would get it right just like Alex Ferguson did at ManU. Probably the same people who are now condemning this approach for what it caused. But I don't do hindsight, thats for others, so are denying u-turns and double standarsds. Fact is, whatever the circumstance, you don't succeed in football without spending. I don't want the club to behave like the charltons of this world and - having the 17th biggest turnover [courtesy of the last regime, and down from 14th since Ashley came in, a downturn which will continue and will drop significantly if nothing is done to arrest it] I think it is not the course we should be taking either. 17th biggest turnover. i wonder how many of those numbered 1 to 16 run at a loss even with those turnovers ? For the 10 millionth time half the PL are in debt and most struggle to cover player wages. FACT. Resorting to the dreaded "FACT" now are we? For shame Parkster, for shame. Just because everyone's fucked doesn't make it okay, especially as we're more fucked than they are despite having bigger resources and a higher turnover. So basically you accept PL club ownership is a high risk game? MA's a big lad wonder why he whines incessantly. Who said it wasn't. What does "incessantly" mean in Parkenese, because in English it means "continuing without interruption", which simply doesn't relate to reality. My mistake.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. absolutely not. but the champions league qualifications were a result of the big spending, had it been big spending that was manageable then there'd be no need for scorn, but it wasnt manageable, it was reckless. and thats why we are where we are. ah, now. I was one of the few people on here who urged caution when loads of posters were urging the club to "splash the cash" after every defeat, and to back Souness, because they said he would get it right just like Alex Ferguson did at ManU. Probably the same people who are now condemning this approach for what it caused. But I don't do hindsight, thats for others, so are denying u-turns and double standarsds. Fact is, whatever the circumstance, you don't succeed in football without spending. I don't want the club to behave like the charltons of this world and - having the 17th biggest turnover [courtesy of the last regime, and down from 14th since Ashley came in, a downturn which will continue and will drop significantly if nothing is done to arrest it] I think it is not the course we should be taking either. 17th biggest turnover. i wonder how many of those numbered 1 to 16 run at a loss even with those turnovers ? For the 10 millionth time half the PL are in debt and most struggle to cover player wages. FACT. Resorting to the dreaded "FACT" now are we? For shame Parkster, for shame. Just because everyone's fucked doesn't make it okay, especially as we're more fucked than they are despite having bigger resources and a higher turnover. So basically you accept PL club ownership is a high risk game? MA's a big lad wonder why he whines incessantly. I can't even remember the last time I hear MA speak, never mind "whine incessantly". That's cause he's got a high pitched Kenneth Williams level cockernee shreik (according to the Mirror bloke). When was the last time you heard him speak Parky?

Let the love in baby.

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Or perhaps, this fully fledged one issue protest group masquerading as a half-arsed "Supporters' Club" could quite possibly kill off any chances of a true supporters' club for years to come? Crystal ball? And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Crystal ball? Your point is? Well it ain't supposition like yours Hugo. Erm, yes it is. If you could quote I'd take you seriously. Says he. Did it on porpoise.

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Or perhaps, this fully fledged one issue protest group masquerading as a half-arsed "Supporters' Club" could quite possibly kill off any chances of a true supporters' club for years to come? Crystal ball? And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Crystal ball? Your point is? Well it ain't supposition like yours Hugo. Erm, yes it is. If you could quote I'd take you seriously.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. absolutely not. but the champions league qualifications were a result of the big spending, had it been big spending that was manageable then there'd be no need for scorn, but it wasnt manageable, it was reckless. and thats why we are where we are. ah, now. I was one of the few people on here who urged caution when loads of posters were urging the club to "splash the cash" after every defeat, and to back Souness, because they said he would get it right just like Alex Ferguson did at ManU. Probably the same people who are now condemning this approach for what it caused. But I don't do hindsight, thats for others, so are denying u-turns and double standarsds. Fact is, whatever the circumstance, you don't succeed in football without spending. I don't want the club to behave like the charltons of this world and - having the 17th biggest turnover [courtesy of the last regime, and down from 14th since Ashley came in, a downturn which will continue and will drop significantly if nothing is done to arrest it] I think it is not the course we should be taking either. 17th biggest turnover. i wonder how many of those numbered 1 to 16 run at a loss even with those turnovers ? For the 10 millionth time half the PL are in debt and most struggle to cover player wages. FACT. Resorting to the dreaded "FACT" now are we? For shame Parkster, for shame. Just because everyone's fucked doesn't make it okay, especially as we're more fucked than they are despite having bigger resources and a higher turnover. So basically you accept PL club ownership is a high risk game? MA's a big lad wonder why he whines incessantly. I can't even remember the last time I hear MA speak, never mind "whine incessantly". That's cause he's got a high pitched Kenneth Williams level cockernee shreik (according to the Mirror bloke).

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Or perhaps, this fully fledged one issue protest group masquerading as a half-arsed "Supporters' Club" could quite possibly kill off any chances of a true supporters' club for years to come? Crystal ball? And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Crystal ball? Your point is? Well it ain't supposition like yours Hugo.

so why are they defending and backing Ashley ? Don't say they aren't, because they are. Thing is Dave, the point I made a few years ago on numerous occasions "replacing the current directors with someone of similar calibre will be more difficult than people think" still stands, but they still defend Ashley. They should realise now that their unhappiness with the last regime was badly misplaced. I find it particularly sad that people are scorning the approach which gave them all those european qualifications, champions league run, stadium expansion, and the top quality footballers we signed that got us there in the first place, in favour of financial prudency when the same situation applied when Bobby Robson was manager and they were happy enough with what followed later through backing him. the key word here is approach. the approach was of spend now worry later, which has gotten us into a mess. so given that the finances are in such a mess, thanks to the old board, why is it surprising that people are scorning it? its completely deserving of scorn. you scorned the champions league qualifications ? Spending big is the only way to get there. absolutely not. but the champions league qualifications were a result of the big spending, had it been big spending that was manageable then there'd be no need for scorn, but it wasnt manageable, it was reckless. and thats why we are where we are. ah, now. I was one of the few people on here who urged caution when loads of posters were urging the club to "splash the cash" after every defeat, and to back Souness, because they said he would get it right just like Alex Ferguson did at ManU. Probably the same people who are now condemning this approach for what it caused. But I don't do hindsight, thats for others, so are denying u-turns and double standarsds. Fact is, whatever the circumstance, you don't succeed in football without spending. I don't want the club to behave like the charltons of this world and - having the 17th biggest turnover [courtesy of the last regime, and down from 14th since Ashley came in, a downturn which will continue and will drop significantly if nothing is done to arrest it] I think it is not the course we should be taking either. 17th biggest turnover. i wonder how many of those numbered 1 to 16 run at a loss even with those turnovers ? For the 10 millionth time half the PL are in debt and most struggle to cover player wages. FACT. Resorting to the dreaded "FACT" now are we? For shame Parkster, for shame. Just because everyone's fucked doesn't make it okay, especially as we're more fucked than they are despite having bigger resources and a higher turnover. So basically you accept PL club ownership is a high risk game? MA's a big lad wonder why he whines incessantly.

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Those dismissing NUSC as a protest group are missing the big picture. Newcastle supporters loyalty has been abused for as long as I can remember. Owner after owner has treated us like s***. For at least four decades it’s been a straight choice between putting up with whatever s*** is hurled our way, or stop actively supporting the club we love. A strong supporters group would give us an alternative. And so I repeat.... NUSC have the opportunity to be a good thing, if they get off their single issue soapbox and start to think about things properly. They were set up as a knee-jerk reaction, and they need to realise that they have alienated themselves from the hierarchy of Newcastle United will ill-thought out comments, and the wrong attitude if they wanted to build a relationship between themselves and the club. If they can prove to be an organisation that is truly a supporters club, and not just a one trick pony then maybe the general population of newcastle fans will view them differently but until they do they can protest and rally and boycott all they like, but not in my name. NUSC is not a one trick pony, it has already tried to help on topics such as stewarding on level 7, help with the 2 lads who were arrested at Boro for the Islamaphobia etc BUT if you take your blinkers off for 2 minutes YOU may find out that if you read the football letters pages, fanzines etc THE main topic concerning the supporters of NUFC is Mike Ashley, Llambias and Wise and there perceived mismanagement of the club. That is what Newcastle fans are talking about on almost a daily basis, that is what has filled most newspaper column inches on none match days, I'm sure if fans were complaining of ticket prices rising or not taking full away allocations then i'm sure they would be brought up but Ashley IS the main topic at this moment in time. The only one trick pony is you constantly repeating yourself.

And to keep up the "NUFC fans are mongs" sentiments in the papers/on the tv - wouldn't want to let those get away. Can you link me to the most recent example of that please? The Keegan protest? Thats pretty recent. Cockney Mafia Banner? Is that recent enough? NUSC had nothing to do with the Cockney Mafia Out banner. There was a banner which said something like that (can't remember) and had the NUSC logo on it which is a rip off of the one in the era of the old silver away strip circa Chris Waddle etc. Was that the "No more geordie cash for Ashley" one? Something like that - can't really remember - same sentiments different words. True enough, but for some reason it hasn’t attracted any of the criticism the Cockney Mafia Out banner has - why do you think that is? The departure of KK created the energy needed to get a supporters group up and running. That it still has a distinct anti Ashley slant a few months after the catalyst for it’s formation is inevitable. There simply hasn’t been enough time for it to evolve into something a bit more rounded. However, if you think a supporters club is a good idea this is the best chance we’ll ever have of having one. Good point about the dynamic of what goes from an initial catalyst (KK leaving) and slowly over time becomes more all encompassing. It will happen with or without some of the dingo's on here. Or perhaps, this fully fledged one issue protest group masquerading as a half-arsed "Supporters' Club" could quite possibly kill off any chances of a true supporters' club for years to come? Crystal ball?