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I shoulda just left it there actually. You are not the new George Orwell that's for sure, was just funny seeing "BREAKING NEWS" then Rick Roll video next to it. I could try and pretend it was all intentional in a very post-ironic manner. But I won't. Because it wasn't. It was just an epic fail.

Nope.

I shoulda just left it there actually.

Keith Barrett's wife for not giving the lad a good nosh on match day mornings.

using guesstimates,which is all we really have to go on we could easily cull £500,000 per week from the wage bill just by getting shot of the wasters. Setanta Sports yesterday were saying our annual wage bill was £65million? Is that right? 5th biggest wage bill in UK/Europe? I didn't quite catch it.

Given that so many of us are pig-sick of that sick pig Ashley's ownership of this club, I just thought perhaps this thread was worth a bump. Especially in light of this: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,62148.msg1821872.html#msg1821872 Maybe this time round people may read it with refreshed interest, and consider the fact that this route may very well be the way to put this club and this city's proud footballing tradition back on track and keep it stable for the future?

Clairvoyant.

Yes, I hear Strachan is nailed on for a certain vacancy at a major football club in the north-east, but it's probably not the one you're thinking of, given you've posted that news in this thread.

Yeah, true. Doesn't help when you get your fellow fans rounding on you for merely mentioning it though. But then Germmell has always been that way. Perhaps I should pay more attention to his input on these forums - and reply in his own manner to them. Cuckoo. This place just hasn't been the same without you, tbh.

There's no similarity between Ridsdale and Ashley. So are we completely confident that there's going to be no fire sale and no administration facing the club in coming weeks? Oh right. Because the club is wrecked you think there is a similarity between Ridsdale and Ashley. Fine by me if that's how you want to see it. The whole Ridsdale/Ashley thing may well be a bad analogy. I'm simply left wondering if we've actually got much of a future left and wondering how long before the financial house of cards built up by the previous regime, and perpetuated by the current regime, comes tumbling down around our ears. There just seems to be a certain inevitability about what has happened and what will happen hereonin. It certainly doesn't seem at all likely that the comedy of errors is over for our club; what seems far more likely is even more pain and tragedy to befall NUFC before we get anywhere near sorting things out. Classic case of "battered wife syndrome", there.

Too much sentiment, not enough ruthlessness. We should be sounding out people now, not waiting for Shearer to decide and then doing it, if we can get someone better then we should do so. Strange that no-one was bothered about sentiment when it was Kinnear who was in the hot-seat, the bloke was in hospital after a heart attack and everyone was hoping that it was going to mean us getting someone else in. Just because Shearer's probably better than Kinnear, doesn't mean that there's not someone better than him out there who'd come, we have and opportunity to find out, we should take it. You know, the more I think about it the more I realise that you're right inid...it may be sentimentality driving my support for Shearer as manager, but then again it's sentimentality that has driven my love for Newcastle United all along. I see nothing wrong with being sentimental about things, certainly when it comes to deciding who you're going to appoint as the icon of leadership for the club to steer it through some inevitably difficult times. You're a fan, you're allowed to be sentimental - although I do think we as Newcastle fans do over-do it sometimes . When it comes to actually running the club it takes more than that though. Do you think Man U will be sentimental when they have to replace Fergie? How much chance do you think Tony Adams has of taking over from Wenger at Arsenal? Holding up Man Utd as the paradigm is ridiculous mate - their size and scale puts them on a different planet. It's like comparing WALMART to the Happy Shopper chain. They'll get Jose Mourinho in when Fergie goes, and even then you can be sure Taggart will be hovering around in a Busby stylee for a good few years post-retirement. All I'm saying is that Shearer makes sense given that we've had a dozen different managers in the past 10 year which has been a major component factor in causing instability in the team, in the club and in the fanbase. You want to rebuild anything that's as dilapidated as this club is right now, you need foundations, and not just any old foundations, but foundations that the bricks and mortar of this club (i.e. the fans) can relate to.

Too much sentiment, not enough ruthlessness. We should be sounding out people now, not waiting for Shearer to decide and then doing it, if we can get someone better then we should do so. Strange that no-one was bothered about sentiment when it was Kinnear who was in the hot-seat, the bloke was in hospital after a heart attack and everyone was hoping that it was going to mean us getting someone else in. Just because Shearer's probably better than Kinnear, doesn't mean that there's not someone better than him out there who'd come, we have and opportunity to find out, we should take it. You know, the more I think about it the more I realise that you're right inid...it may be sentimentality driving my support for Shearer as manager, but then again it's sentimentality that has driven my love for Newcastle United all along. I see nothing wrong with being sentimental about things, certainly when it comes to deciding who you're going to appoint as the icon of leadership for the club to steer it through some inevitably difficult times.

Of course there are better candidates out there than an unproven manager with a track record consisting of eight games, most of which were defeats!! If people can forget for a moment that his name is Alan Shearer, then you'll see just how ridiculous that statement is. This is what I mean by the insular thing, everyone's reduced the number of potential managers down to a list consisting of one name. Already, before we've even begun looking!! There's more out there than Alan Shearer, there's more places to look than a list of previous players, than the Premiership, than England, than Europe. Look at where the two best managers in the league came from: Scotland, not even the Old Firm, Aberdeen; and Japan, Japan for fuck's sake, do people seriously not think we could attract someone from the fucking J-League!?! There's loads of potential candidates out there, it's whether or not we actually go and look for them or just go with the easy option and appoint Shearer uncontested. If he is the best that we can get then fine, but let's not assume that without even looking at the alternatives first. Do you honestly believe we have an owner and chairman capable of going out and finding the next management sensation in fucking Japan like? They'd probably come back with some ageing Japanese racist called Jo Kin Ira. What exactly gives you hope that Ashley and Llambias will produce a moment of brilliance and find the right man for the job given their record of absolute and total failure in running the club to this point? Do you think they're due or something? In Shearer we have a man who was one of the best players of his generation, a man who will command respect and do everything in his power to make this club great. He's always come over as someone who really understands the game, and while that's no gaurantee that he'll make a good manager it does make him a pretty decent managerial prospect, especially for a Championship football team. So they shouldn't even look? Let's give up before we've even started, shall we? Like I said, if he turns out to be the best we can get then fine, but let's not start from that position. So what are you actually proposing exactly? Have you actually got someone else in mind for the post? Would they be able to unite the fans in the way Shearer can? Would they be able to give the job a really serious go and bring stability to the club? If so, who is it you have in mind? Or do you have an alternative position we should be starting from? If so, please spell it out for us. I'm proposing that we (the club) put some actual thought and effort into going out and looking at the options available to us. You know, like what the successful clubs do. Wins, points, goals, clean-sheets, good football and ultimately promotion to the Premiership is what will unite the fans. You think we'll be united having spent a few seasons in the Championship, even if Shearer's our manager? I don't. Success is what unites a football club and I think we should be going out and finding the person most likely to get us that, whoever that is. Appointing a manger simply to unite the fans is pointless if he doesn't deliver the goods. We've had it all arse-about-tit for ages when it comes to appointing managers and it's about time it stopped. I'm sick of the club's continual obsession with appeasing the fans, that's what's lead us to where we are now. I have no suggestion as to who we should appoint, I don't know who's available and I've no experience of running a football club. That doesn't mean that I can't see that the only way to address the first point is to go and find out and that it might be a good idea for those doing the second to get some advice and apply a bit of thought as to who they get to be the manager before they make the decision. The position we should be starting from is: We have a vacancy for manager, who is the best man for the job and can we get him? If not, then who is the next best and so-on. So, in summary, your alternative starting point is that basically we need to get a good manager in, plan for the long term but that you haven't got a fucking clue who we should appoint? As for "appeasing the fans" - are you sure about that...do the names "Souness" and "Allardyce" and "Roeder" mean nothing to you? If it was my job to make that decision then I'd make damn sure that I went out and got a clue!! You realise that you're arguing in favour of them remaining clueless, not even trying to get a clue? You want them to remain ignorant and yet you've chosen to attack me for my ignorance in an attempt to back up your argument! Come on man, think about what you're saying and where you're coming from here. If you think Shearer is the best man for the job then justify that opinion with evidence and argument to prove it. The fact that the people who are baking Shearer have only made a token attempt to make his case and have instead put all their energy into attacking those that dare to hold a dissenting view speaks volumes. All those appointments were made for very limited and simplistic reasons: Souness = discipline, Roeder = cheap, Allardyce = "modern" approach. In no case did those in charge give enough thought as to who was the best man for the job and we ended up in the shit because of it. All I'm asking for is some real consideration to be given to the appointment, it's amazing that people are arguing against that, to be honest. If we just appoint Shearer with no further thought, then we continue down the path that has lead us to where we are now. Yeah, we might fluke it and have another Robson on our hands, but we also might not and we won't have learned anything for the next time. I wasn't arguing any such thing indi. I was merely pointing out that Shearer could be a good choice for us right now. As per my previous post above. So given the fact that I'm simply arguing that some serious thought should be given to who our next manager is, why are you disagreeing with me then? I'm disagreeing with you because I think at the moment Shearer is the best fit for where we are now and where we hope to be going.

There's no similarity between Ridsdale and Ashley. So are we completely confident that there's going to be no fire sale and no administration facing the club in coming weeks?

Me neither, but they REALLY need to make a decision on the manager sharpish, whatever happens. The very last thing we need is yet more uncertainty. Its yet ANOTHER chance for them to show they have learned from their mistakes Aye, right.

Aye, indi - you're acting like someone's spat in your tofu and used your copy of the Guardian as bog roll. Calm down man.

Of course there are better candidates out there than an unproven manager with a track record consisting of eight games, most of which were defeats!! If people can forget for a moment that his name is Alan Shearer, then you'll see just how ridiculous that statement is. This is what I mean by the insular thing, everyone's reduced the number of potential managers down to a list consisting of one name. Already, before we've even begun looking!! There's more out there than Alan Shearer, there's more places to look than a list of previous players, than the Premiership, than England, than Europe. Look at where the two best managers in the league came from: Scotland, not even the Old Firm, Aberdeen; and Japan, Japan for fuck's sake, do people seriously not think we could attract someone from the fucking J-League!?! There's loads of potential candidates out there, it's whether or not we actually go and look for them or just go with the easy option and appoint Shearer uncontested. If he is the best that we can get then fine, but let's not assume that without even looking at the alternatives first. Do you honestly believe we have an owner and chairman capable of going out and finding the next management sensation in fucking Japan like? They'd probably come back with some ageing Japanese racist called Jo Kin Ira. What exactly gives you hope that Ashley and Llambias will produce a moment of brilliance and find the right man for the job given their record of absolute and total failure in running the club to this point? Do you think they're due or something? In Shearer we have a man who was one of the best players of his generation, a man who will command respect and do everything in his power to make this club great. He's always come over as someone who really understands the game, and while that's no gaurantee that he'll make a good manager it does make him a pretty decent managerial prospect, especially for a Championship football team. So they shouldn't even look? Let's give up before we've even started, shall we? Like I said, if he turns out to be the best we can get then fine, but let's not start from that position. So what are you actually proposing exactly? Have you actually got someone else in mind for the post? Would they be able to unite the fans in the way Shearer can? Would they be able to give the job a really serious go and bring stability to the club? If so, who is it you have in mind? Or do you have an alternative position we should be starting from? If so, please spell it out for us. I'm proposing that we (the club) put some actual thought and effort into going out and looking at the options available to us. You know, like what the successful clubs do. Wins, points, goals, clean-sheets, good football and ultimately promotion to the Premiership is what will unite the fans. You think we'll be united having spent a few seasons in the Championship, even if Shearer's our manager? I don't. Success is what unites a football club and I think we should be going out and finding the person most likely to get us that, whoever that is. Appointing a manger simply to unite the fans is pointless if he doesn't deliver the goods. We've had it all arse-about-tit for ages when it comes to appointing managers and it's about time it stopped. I'm sick of the club's continual obsession with appeasing the fans, that's what's lead us to where we are now. I have no suggestion as to who we should appoint, I don't know who's available and I've no experience of running a football club. That doesn't mean that I can't see that the only way to address the first point is to go and find out and that it might be a good idea for those doing the second to get some advice and apply a bit of thought as to who they get to be the manager before they make the decision. The position we should be starting from is: We have a vacancy for manager, who is the best man for the job and can we get him? If not, then who is the next best and so-on. So, in summary, your alternative starting point is that basically we need to get a good manager in, plan for the long term but that you haven't got a fucking clue who we should appoint? As for "appeasing the fans" - are you sure about that...do the names "Souness" and "Allardyce" and "Roeder" mean nothing to you? If it was my job to make that decision then I'd make damn sure that I went out and got a clue!! You realise that you're arguing in favour of them remaining clueless, not even trying to get a clue? You want them to remain ignorant and yet you've chosen to attack me for my ignorance in an attempt to back up your argument! Come on man, think about what you're saying and where you're coming from here. If you think Shearer is the best man for the job then justify that opinion with evidence and argument to prove it. The fact that the people who are baking Shearer have only made a token attempt to make his case and have instead put all their energy into attacking those that dare to hold a dissenting view speaks volumes. All those appointments were made for very limited and simplistic reasons: Souness = discipline, Roeder = cheap, Allardyce = "modern" approach. In no case did those in charge give enough thought as to who was the best man for the job and we ended up in the shit because of it. All I'm asking for is some real consideration to be given to the appointment, it's amazing that people are arguing against that, to be honest. If we just appoint Shearer with no further thought, then we continue down the path that has lead us to where we are now. Yeah, we might fluke it and have another Robson on our hands, but we also might not and we won't have learned anything for the next time. I wasn't arguing any such thing indi. I was merely pointing out that Shearer could be a good choice for us right now. As per my previous post above.

That's the whole point indi is trying to make. There is no evidence in either direction and that's a big gamble to take when we're clearly "in the shit" and need a serious rebuilding - why not give that job to someone with a proven track record? "Proven track record" - ah, that old chestnut. How I wish NE5 was here to rehearse that old line... If everyone in the world, in all lines of business and all lines of work, always insisted on having someone with a proven track record, then we'd never get any new managers, directors coming through...at some point you have to take the leap of faith. When recruiting to a vacant post in your team, you look to find the "best available fit" not the "perfect candidate"...mainly because the latter doesn't exist. On gut instinct alone, you have to say Shearer has shown passion, determination, pride, resolution, grace under fire and a sense of humour in adversity. Those qualities alone would be enough for me right now - because there's an inestimable value in having someone at the helm right now who actually cares about the club - rather than someone who is doing it just for the money. He needs to be involved in the club's plans going forward from this point onwards.

So the chances are Ashley will probably panic sell, in some sort of cut and run sale of the century style affair...having first been sure to realise as many assets as possible, leaving us with a rump of a youth /reserve squad and... ...the more I think about it, the more horrific this all sounds...all a bit too familiar in a Ridsdale and Leeds sort of way...

Yep, as soon as I get some abuse for this at college from some fucking Manure or Liverpool fan I just know I'm gonna snap and punch someone. this is what i feel right now, i just went straight home after the game trying to make minimal contact with anyone on my way home. There is a rage inside of me which could send me to jail. Dirty talk like that could get you into a whole heap of trouble, baby.

They've probably both had death threats. It really wouldn't surprise me if that was their sole motivation behind this announcement.

Of course there are better candidates out there than an unproven manager with a track record consisting of eight games, most of which were defeats!! If people can forget for a moment that his name is Alan Shearer, then you'll see just how ridiculous that statement is. This is what I mean by the insular thing, everyone's reduced the number of potential managers down to a list consisting of one name. Already, before we've even begun looking!! There's more out there than Alan Shearer, there's more places to look than a list of previous players, than the Premiership, than England, than Europe. Look at where the two best managers in the league came from: Scotland, not even the Old Firm, Aberdeen; and Japan, Japan for fuck's sake, do people seriously not think we could attract someone from the fucking J-League!?! There's loads of potential candidates out there, it's whether or not we actually go and look for them or just go with the easy option and appoint Shearer uncontested. If he is the best that we can get then fine, but let's not assume that without even looking at the alternatives first. Do you honestly believe we have an owner and chairman capable of going out and finding the next management sensation in fucking Japan like? They'd probably come back with some ageing Japanese racist called Jo Kin Ira. What exactly gives you hope that Ashley and Llambias will produce a moment of brilliance and find the right man for the job given their record of absolute and total failure in running the club to this point? Do you think they're due or something? In Shearer we have a man who was one of the best players of his generation, a man who will command respect and do everything in his power to make this club great. He's always come over as someone who really understands the game, and while that's no gaurantee that he'll make a good manager it does make him a pretty decent managerial prospect, especially for a Championship football team. So they shouldn't even look? Let's give up before we've even started, shall we? Like I said, if he turns out to be the best we can get then fine, but let's not start from that position. So what are you actually proposing exactly? Have you actually got someone else in mind for the post? Would they be able to unite the fans in the way Shearer can? Would they be able to give the job a really serious go and bring stability to the club? If so, who is it you have in mind? Or do you have an alternative position we should be starting from? If so, please spell it out for us. I'm proposing that we (the club) put some actual thought and effort into going out and looking at the options available to us. You know, like what the successful clubs do. Wins, points, goals, clean-sheets, good football and ultimately promotion to the Premiership is what will unite the fans. You think we'll be united having spent a few seasons in the Championship, even if Shearer's our manager? I don't. Success is what unites a football club and I think we should be going out and finding the person most likely to get us that, whoever that is. Appointing a manger simply to unite the fans is pointless if he doesn't deliver the goods. We've had it all arse-about-tit for ages when it comes to appointing managers and it's about time it stopped. I'm sick of the club's continual obsession with appeasing the fans, that's what's lead us to where we are now. I have no suggestion as to who we should appoint, I don't know who's available and I've no experience of running a football club. That doesn't mean that I can't see that the only way to address the first point is to go and find out and that it might be a good idea for those doing the second to get some advice and apply a bit of thought as to who they get to be the manager before they make the decision. The position we should be starting from is: We have a vacancy for manager, who is the best man for the job and can we get him? If not, then who is the next best and so-on. So, in summary, your alternative starting point is that basically we need to get a good manager in, plan for the long term but that you haven't got a fucking clue who we should appoint? As for "appeasing the fans" - are you sure about that...do the names "Souness" and "Allardyce" and "Roeder" mean nothing to you?

*Nixon! Nixon! Nixon!* http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php?action=profile;u=8636 Ah, Dave!!! Great minds...

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