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Where does Kudus play at the minute I wonder?

As I assume he is the replacement for Paqueta being banned?

2 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Total now exceeds the domestic per year:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10500065/amp/Premier-League-overseas-rights-pass-value-domestic-deals.html

 

That’s, what, £1.8bn a year. Sub-Saharan Africa was less than a tenth of that. US was £2bn over six years so let’s say 333M, roughly double the “African” rights. Looks like “APAC” is comparable to the US deal:

 

https://media.sportbusiness.com/2022/08/premier-league-defies-trends-to-increase-value-in-asia-pacific-outside-china/

Interesting. Nice one 

12 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

If we’re looking at what “Africa” might pay for the Saudi league, it would be more instructive to know what they pay for other leagues tbh.

 

 

 

Yeah, I know. What you found was correct and relevant.

I was just then wondering how much the Premier League got from other foreign regions as an aside, and how Africa ranked.

9 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

 

https://www.sportspromedia.com/broadcast-ott/media-rights/premier-league-supersport-south-africa-2025-tv-rights-deal-extension/
 

Only figure mentioned (don’t know about the details) is £168M per year for the whole of sub-Saharan Africa - that was in 2017. Not insignificant. Current domestic deal is roughly 10x as much though. Looking at the domestic deals on Wiki, the closest comparable deal in  terms of value is probably what Brazil pays for its own league (£171M per season).

 

 

 

Super Sport carries the rights across sub Saharan Africa, so they pay for the rights, yeah.

Be interesting to know what other foreign regions pay for the Premier League rights, and how they compare.

Just now, SteV said:

This has been a wonderful and enlightening exchange for everyone involved.

Agreed. Thanks for the experience.

Just now, SteV said:

Can’t be arsed. You just tell me. You know you love it.

No.

1 minute ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Who can we get in within the next 7 days if we can get rid of Fraser?

McTominay.

20 minutes ago, SteV said:

Is there actually any money in the African market though?

Google it.

21 minutes ago, Nobody said:

How exciting watching teams with a couple of "top" talents battling out against each other when they all share the same owner. No one will give a shite about their league. 

There's a big world out there outside of Europe man. 

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

South Americans will watch it? Not sure about anywhere else but Brazilians seem fairly passionate about their own league. 

 

Guess if they watch any PL they can watch Saudi instead. 

 

 

 

I think if anymore of star Brazilian players are there they will.

I end up watching leagues I don't particularly follow, mostly because I want to see any Nigerian players that are getting some buzz, and kind of get into it a bit more from there.

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

If they want mass market adoption which is questionable, then the best money they could spend would be getting someone like scudamore to help build the league. 
 

That being said, I don’t think they are courting the western markets at all. 

Think they hired the ex Chelsea guy Emenalo to develop and build the league if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not sure they are particularly concerned about Western markets like you say. Middle East, Africa and South American markets will likely be where they will get the majority interest from.

2 minutes ago, Jimburst said:

 

I don't think you know the slightest thing about it. 

 

I have a lot of Bahraini and Omani friends actually, as well as being married into a Muslim family. I've got a decent idea of the differences between Saudi Arabia and the UAE, for example. You can refer to @Chris_R 's post if you want to hear from someone who has more experience than yourself on the subject

That's why in my post you will see I said 'the region'.

They just fly out to the areas they can do as they please. Dubai bein particularly notorious for it.

7 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

How much top talent though?

 

There are 18 teams in the league. Four were promoted last year. Currently they can have 8 foreign nationals each. So that’s a max of 144 foreign nationals.

 

I don’t know how many teams are paying the big bucks. Someone can enlighten us. But last year only four teams had average attendances of >10K. Only one team was >18K. With the changes it looks like there are six top teams now (just based on attendance). That’s 48 foreign nationals.

 

So that’s max 48 top talent foreign nationals playing for six clubs. And a ton of small clubs with a handful of fans, many playing in more obscure parts of the country. Maybe they ditch some of the smaller clubs and increase the number of foreign players. Then there’s a handful of clubs playing each other again and again with interchangeable players and brands.

 

I’m not convinced.

Ah, see now this is the thing. If they stick to those restrictions then you may be right. Not sure they will though.

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

Bella Kotchap at Southampton linked with Dortmund and Bayern.

 

Don't often see someone get relegated to then move to such an elite club

I remember early in the season there was a lot of fuss being made about him at Southampton and he was looking really good. Not sure when it fell off, probably with all the managerial changes etc.

Was very highly rated in Germany when Southampton bought him, and he's still quite young, so kind of makes sense German clubs have come in.

There was an article saying Ashworth recommended him as the young RCB to bring in but Howe wasn't as keen on him.

4 minutes ago, kocunar said:

Obviously there are religious differences, but from what I've heard, most south European people fit in pretty well in Saudi Arabia.

There are places they get to do whatever they want, especially if you are well off, and you are people that they want over there. It's just not out in the open and in your face.

1 hour ago, Jimburst said:

 

Can't believe you're laughing at people's tunnel vision and come out with unsubstantiated stuff like this. You've no evidence to suggest there is much appetite to spend an entire career there.

 

A large proportion of the best players in the world are European and south american, they drink, their partners are lingerie models, pop stars...culturally it just doesn't make any sense. People say the best players will never move to Newcastle imagine living somewhere that women under the age of 21 can't leave the house without a male guardian. Somewhere your gorgeous lingerie model wife can't work, can't go out partying. Anyone with their wages would rather live in London, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid, Berlin, Munich, New York, LA...unless you're Muslim, of course, which seems to be the profile of player they're having success with signing.

 

 

Bruh ... you clearly don't know anything about that region or know anyone that works there.

All these things you think aren't 'permitted' go on at a much grander scale than you can fathom behind closed doors.

Those crazy princes order women off Instagram like they are Uber eats and fly them out into the dessert for all sorts of debauchery and madness.

Look into it.

10 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Just to clarify though, what do you think is going to transpire?

Think most of the top players end up there eventually.

And it becomes a version of the super league where they all battle against each other on various teams.

And because so much top talent is there going against each other it will be incredibly popular.

42 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Similar has happened before (Japan, MLS) and were curiosities more than anything.

The English league was probably the most or second most watched in the world courtesy of the Scandinavian/Benelux/Asian markets before the Premier League without having the worlds best players. Whilst selling its best players to Italy, France and Germany.

Its not about the world best players. The established league's themselves are a bigger draw. 

 

 

 

 

Can't believe you think this is comparable to China and the MLS.

We'll see. We're all going to be here watching it all transpire.

2 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

The Saudi league will never hold similar prestige because they don’t play in European competitions, and even if they did buy their way in, how would they meet FFP obligations? All signs point to them making themselves part of the super league IMO, it’s the only way any of this becomes sustainable long term.

You guys have such tunnel vision with all this talk of prestige and European competitions.

If they attract a ton of top tier talent, people are going to want to watch those players go up against each other with or without prestigious competitions.

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

This would be incredibly depressing.

I like Beto a lot and this would just be a terrible move for him.

36 minutes ago, XLVIII said:

It’s taken our own game here in GB over 150 years to reach the pinnacle of world football. The Saudis can spend as much as they want right now and their league will never be of the standard of our league or game. They don’t have a pyramid system and the structure from youth, women’s and coaching and even scouting, nor the audience or marketing reach  of a world-wide audience to worry our game. They will worry certain clubs as their money can now buy them talent from the likes of Italy, Spain, Germany, England and France etc. The PL will always be the dominant league, however, due to how universal it is. No top or elite player in their prime will go to Saudi Arabia and any young talent that does go there, especially European players, they won’t commit their entire careers to that league. 

Nobody outside of England cares about all of this.

They just want to see the most talented footballers on the planet go up against each other. 

On top of that a number of these players will be from their countries and so they will want to support them.

The things happening this summer have been shocking. Never expected them to already attract the players they have been able to.

I'm even hearing that Osimhen has been approached and it isn't a move that is out of the question for him. If he and the likes of Kudus are open to it this is an almighty blow for European football.

10 minutes ago, McCormick said:

I think Liverpool might be underestimating the global fanbase that Salah brings them btw. They’re literally the most supported English team in the Middle-East purely because of Salah (The CL win helped as well). It’s not an exaggeration when I say that they’ll lose millions of fans should he leave.

This is the thing with this Saudi league. A lot of fans are going to follow the players, especially if they are targeting the best players like they are.

More top South American and African players and those regions are all going to be on board to support their countries top players.

29 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Not the window I expected at the start was convinced we were getting Szob and Thuram.

 

Apart from Tonali don’t think the window has excited me like the Ferdinand/Ginola summer etc, but that’s because we just seem so clinical in our approach and to be honest I think the sale of St Max confirmed Howe wants a functional hard working team.

 

At the end of the day though its night and day to life under Ashley and I’m just grateful for that.

 

However, I do think the success of these last 2 transfer windows hang largely on Gordon and Barnes. We need creativity and goals from the pair of them, otherwise people will rightly draw comparisons to the likes of Kudos and Szob etc if they prove big successes.

Think Szoboszlai and Thuram were alternative options we'd have looked at if we had not got Tonali.

23 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Nah

Yah 

19 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Understandable as it's not on any of the mainstream channels. Only the ones who understand how to do questionable streaming through vpns and the like can watch it easily....if it got picked up by sky/Amazon/but etc it would start to get a lot more interest here due to the number of good players who have gone there

Exactly, the main issue is the ease of actually watching the games.

I personally can't be arsed trying to find a way to access it, but if it's on any of the more standard channels/stations I'll definitely flick over and watch because some of the teams and players are intriguing enough.