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I mean ... this is ridiculously bad

1 minute ago, STM said:

Still haven't heard what I'm supposed to do with the human rights abuse information, information which I've known about for my full adult life. "Be aware of", doesn't mean anything. I'm aware of it, now what?

I'm not sure I understand either.

These regimes don't suffer any consequences where it matters, as all countries trade freely with them all, and people from all over flock to their countries for extravagant holidays. 

People talk about sports washing, but do they even really care about how they are perceived if it isn't costing them anything tangible? If anything buying a club like Newcastle draws far more attention to the bad things they do than any kind of good will people suggest it brings.

8 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

Unscrupulous billionaire individuals vs murderous political regimes. I'd rather do without both and turn football back into a sport, not an entertainment package.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how we get there now. Everyone is just too selfish.

If someone tried to get a campaign going for fans of all clubs to stop going to matches until all controversial owners were removed, most fans from the clubs that are all complaining at the minute wouldn't even want to give up going to the games and watching their matches.

9 minutes ago, Smal said:

On the contrary fans absolutely pushed and campaigned relentlessly for this takeover to happen, so they certainly did have a choice. Staveley herself said it never would have happened without that.

Yes, you're right, but this is because the majority of people see that these lot have been allowed to buy clubs in this country, and so from a sporting point of view they want that for their club and area.

It's either all fans come together against this and start boycotting games until all these types of owners sell up and get out, otherwise if not Newcastle it would have just been another club. The reality is if similar owners to ours came in for Palace tomorrow or any of these other clubs it would be widely accepted by the majority of their fan bases.

And so ultimately if these lot are buying up clubs and the fans can't really stop this as long as a price is agreed and the PL is signing these sales off, then the most that can be done is what is happening now with the various campaigns to highlight the issues with these owners, and so people should be allowed to do that.

2 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

The fucking victim complex on this. Nobody is guilting you into anything by continuing to highlight human rights abuse at a time when their is a very expensive campaign to sweep it under the rug. But hey, we've already swept the PL corruption under the rug, so what's it matter.

Other clubs fans are definitely having digs at supporters over the takeover, so he's not wrong in that.

That is completely separate from the instances where other fans are highlighting human rights issues, which they are absolutely free to do.

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

FWIW, the argument that doesn’t make sense is “I don’t have a choice, I’m a Newcastle fan”. 
 

The fact is many people were prepared to walk away because of the previous owner, and we never said that was in any way wrong. So anyone who stays or turns their back because of this ownership is also making a decision.  
 

Think that’s an important distinction. 

 

 

 

Well, they didn't have a choice as far as who took over the club in either instance. But yes, the choice of whether to continue to support the club is always there, and will be based on various reasons for different individuals, and that is fair enough really.

2 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

I’d echo the the sentiments of others who have rightly, as I see it, pointed out that modern elite football is brutal capitalism in it’s purest form. I don’t tend to like brutal capitalism, but I do like football and I do like NUFC. We’ve won the lottery, nice one. We were due a bit of luck. I’ll not be guilted into not watching NUFC by anyone. I made my decision to not follow the club under Ashley (latter years) and I’ll make my own to follow them again now. As others have said, I’d encourage NUFC fans not to engage in this with other fans. It’s absolutely pointless looking for hypocrisy anywhere never mind in football, everyone is guilty of hypocrisy. Football support is tribal, emotional, raw, passionate (unless you objectively choose an already successful team to follow) and it’s full of hypocrisy. You don’t win anything for being the most morally virtuous club, there are no points available for moral victories.

 

Either choose to follow this NUFC, and own it, or don’t. Don’t try to whatabout other fans arguments because if they’re coming from a human rights angle, they’re correct and you’re on a hiding to nothing. And if they’re coming from any other angle it’s jealously. Just smile, wink, and count your money.

Beautifully stated.

I just enjoy watching football and following this club. The last owner was a nightmare and has now sold to people from a controversial regime, and has made off with £300 million and has received no criticism for this. And the supporters that have no say or power in any of this now get grief. Yikes. I'll keep it to the football and continue to enjoy that.

You're absolutely right that there is no point whatsoever going back and forth with those that want to protest, hold up flags, complain on social media etc. Give them the space to do all that if that's what they want.

14 minutes ago, Klaus said:

 

This is the key. The reality is that most fans would jump at the opportunity to become the richest club in the world.

 

In an ideal world, all clubs would have fan ownership (which will never happen), or we have a Geordie owner worth 320BN, but that person doesn't exist.

Forget them even jumping on the opportunity.

They wake up one day and their current owner has just sold the club to the Saudis.

They had no say, they cannot stop it, and now they are a Saudi owned club. What do they do then? Are they insinuating that they stop supporting the club they have always supported because of the new ownership?

When other fans bring this stuff up to you guys personally, have you asked them what they would do if their club was sold to the Saudis? Just wondering what they are saying to this if any of you have asked?

27 minutes ago, Wullie said:

He claimed he'd needed a police escort home towards the end at Sunderland, and that they threw coins at him. It just wasn't as newsworthy so his blatant lies weren't as well reported.

Social media now makes it easier for his nonsense to get circulated around the place and for people to then go and and on about it more.

Just been watching the game back and I have to say Lascelles was terrible. He should have always been looking to attach himself to Benteke being our biggest and most physical defender, but instead he kept passing him onto Krafth and Clarke and then was standing in space and picking up no one. Looked like he was scared of him. Utterly ridiculous.

2 hours ago, hakka said:

If he can score as many as he does for us feeding on scraps, I'm shocked he's not been picked up by one of the top sides. Even as a rotated striker or sub he'd flourish with more chances. 

When you actually look back at his scoring record in the prem it doesn't really stand out and that was in a more attacking Bournemouth side. It's strange. 

17 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Didn’t he and Howe fall out ?

Not sure what happened in the end, but prior to that the guy was fantastic for Bournemouth. Bruce has got his hands on him and now he barely looks like a footballer.

Seeing what Howe got out of him makes me rate Howe more. Been shocking for Newcastle.

1 minute ago, Tsunami said:

Rafa, wants to come back doesn’t he.

Heck of a turnaround by Claudio. 

Cannot believe a Rafa side conceding 5 to bloody Watford.

He must be trying to come back yes 

Will take that. Solid result.

Only wish someone around us had dropped points.

Annoyingly enough everyone else around us has managed to pick up points today. Bloody ridiculous.

Rafa will be our manager by this time next week. Down 2 goals to 5.

Oh boy, Rafa screwing us over big time today with that result.

Hallelujah!!! My goodness can't believe our luck there. Please win this now.

Palace are prone to giving away a late goal too. Come on boys!

Just now, Rich said:

We’re winning this like.

Classic smash and grab. Would love it!

Oh dear ... Rafa might be coming home after all.

Just now, POOT 2.0 said:

A draw would at least be a massive lift. 

A draw at Palace would be a very solid result all things considered at the minute. Would love a goal though!

Just now, Jordan said:

Feels so weird caring again 

I think I hate it