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I agree with this, but doesn't mean he's not a top top player that it seems some are tying to suggest though. He's not one of the best in the world like Didn't you say the same about Ribery as well? Yes and I stand by that. By my definition "one of the best players in the world" should be at least top 7/8 in the world and in some way close to being the best in the world You'd at the very least want them to make the World 11.

He is? For me he's probably their best player if we disregard De Gea. van Persie has been disappointing despite scoring goals, Mata hasn't done much and the rest is bad. De Gea or Rooney without a doubt for me. I was thinking more Yaya and Aguero.

In fact he's struggling to make the top 3 in Manchester

I agree with this, but doesn't mean he's not a top top player that it seems some are tying to suggest though. He's not one of the best in the world like He is, how you could even argue that is beyond me. Rooney is a great player to watch, give me 20 players better than him that could do a job in multiple positions like he can. One of the best in the world doesn't necessarily mean top 3 in the world, which he obviously isn't. I would say top 7/8 could be defined as one of the best in the world and I don't think he's in that bracket, he is top 20 though. And he's barely top 7 in the Premiership alone, going on last season.

As I said in the England thread, he could've been so much better.

I agree.

Hey im not decrying Lev at all. He clearly was a phenomenal goalie. I just feel his longevity wins him votes like that.

Well he toured England with Dynamo Moscow in the 50s and played Wolverhampton in the first floodlight matches. He also played in the Centenary game at Wembo in 63. It wasn't just World Cups where you could see Lev. He like Zoff had longevity over Banks but Banks was off the planet where keeping was concerned. Good men have even blamed Banks' car crash on England's failure to qualify for 74 and have gone as far to say that an England side with Banks may well have won in 74.

Course there is. I know folk who went to the Sweden World Cup for goodness sake. I even knew one old chap who has passed now, that saw as a young Navy man, some games from the 50 World Cup in Brazil.

I always think of what might have been with Rooney. Euro 2004 I thought we had a real diamond. Unfortunately since then he's played in 3 tournaments in which he's been either dire or average. Even the average 2012 tournament might be giving him too much credit. He was rusty when he finally got on the pitch, due to his own stupidity I might add. He really owes us a tournament and if he doesn't deliver, he may have come to the end of the International road.

Easy. Banks was better than Lev. Banks is without a doubt the greatest of all time. It's not just film I'm basing this on incidentally. I've had the discussion many a time over the years with some very knowledgeable people, some of whom certainly saw both and also some of whom who wouldn't have an English bias for Banks. Tell you what too Shilton isn't far behind them either.

And where is Stephane Guivarch.

Zoff is only in there for longevity....I remember him very well and I didn't think he was as good as our own Peter Shilton. Still he did win a World Cup.

Enjoyed this That list is pretty bad, interesting reads nonetheless. Gascoigne should be way higher than Boniek and Banks should be the highest goalkeeper for sure....I'd have Lineker higher too. That's from an English perspective...time to investigate further. Taffarel World Cup gold, silver and participated in three World Cups. Not in the same League as Banks mate, he was the greatest keeper ever. Not sure why CRonaldo is so high either...he's way above both Gazza and Iniesta??? I've seen very little of Banks, since most of the old match footages I've seen have been with Brazil, Argentina or Germany involved. But while I do see your point, that's World Cup history. Shouldn't it then be the best from the World Cup history and not a single World Cup performance? Taffarel was an integral part of a Brazilian side that won in 94 despite having brought one of the worst Brazilians squads ever to a World Cup and then almost won in 98 playing once again a huge part in the reason getting to the final. As for best goalkeeper in the world ever, I hear so much about Yasin and am told that he was the best ever. Never seen him play a game though, only seen some youtube clips. Banks and Lev were about the same time and although I only saw Yachin and Banks on film....Banks was without doubt better...and that famous save from Pele in 70...Jeez. With regards to the list, I'm not sure why CR and Messi are so high or eve in it at all. Uwe Seeler should be higher and that Brazil 82 side should have more representatives than just Zico....I'd find room above the Platinis and Brolins for Falcao, Socrates and Junior. Zagalo should be higher too...as a player AND a manager must put him in the top 15.

And why is there no Bobby Moore in that list? EDIT: He's there

Enjoyed this That list is pretty bad, interesting reads nonetheless. Gascoigne should be way higher than Boniek and Banks should be the highest goalkeeper for sure....I'd have Lineker higher too. That's from an English perspective...time to investigate further. Taffarel World Cup gold, silver and participated in three World Cups. Not in the same League as Banks mate, he was the greatest keeper ever. Not sure why CRonaldo is so high either...he's way above both Gazza and Iniesta???

Enjoyed this That list is pretty bad, interesting reads nonetheless. Gascoigne should be way higher than Boniek and Banks should be the highest goalkeeper for sure....I'd have Lineker higher too. That's from an English perspective...time to investigate further.

Remember him giving Colo a hard time in the last home game of the Championship winning season.

I cannot wait for the final roster. I'm just going to behave until the final roster comes out. Roster?

And I said this last month, he know exactly what sort of person to target in order to get the harshest responses, and it's all about him again. Slime. To be fair to Stan, he doesn't mention the 82 conflict, so perhaps he's talking about how we acquired the Islands in the first place?

We'll shit 'em.

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World Cup is my thing Dave, only place I feel superior. ??????? f*** me that's a shocking post if serious. Need to safety smily everything nowadays. Billy you know better than that. To be honest, I did a double take at the username.

World Cup is my thing Dave, only place I feel superior. ??????? Fuck me that's a shocking post if serious.

they did like aye, atletico's limited resources caught up with them massively in the last week and there should be no doubt that on the night real were the deserved winners tbh di maria was quality, argentina should really do very well in the WC with the talent they have I agree. I reckon Argentina will walk this World Cup. Clearly the best side in it. Germans will be close imo. What's the Argie defence like these days? That'd be my worry over them but really they should just outscore everyone. Sounds like Mexico 86. Put Lionel Messi in the Maradona role.