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Well I'm sure he also saw Liverpool as a club with better prospects, but this resentment he feels, this need to snipe at the Board, stems from the contract he was offered. We'd like you to stay, but only on the same money is a bit of a mixed message. Underlying that is the suggestion that he's already being paid more than enough, and the club won't offer a penny more. I don't think the solution is to pay more than a player is worth. Over the last few months, the club seems to have been able to bring in some decent players on lower salaries who don't seem to have a problem with the club's 'ambition'. Think you're totally right. The only way to get Enrique to stay would be to offer him more money. Fair enough you could argue we should have done that but then what's the point in a wage structure at all. The fact is we want to reduce the wage bill, and I'm sure more clubs will soon be doing the same. This thing about lacking ambition for me is just a euphemism for lack of big spending. Everyone has ambitions of success, even Ashley IMO, he's just not prepared to pay for it out of his own pocket so he's taking the harder route of trying to do it more cheaply. I just struggle to think of a situation where the signings we would make would be enough to convince Jose to stay. He just wanted a big move, no problem with that but I don't think it's really the club's fault. Jose is a quality player and as such would have realised his market value is now quite high.

Fuck off man, if you don't want to have a discussion don't come on a forum.

Neither is Andy Carroll, Jose Enrique or Kevin Nolan though. (I'm not sure if that makes sense but I know what I'm trying to say!)

We can support the club and at the same time hate the fatty in charge Yeah I know, but it's so extreme at times it seems like people are almost masochistically enjoying their own club being criticised.

Wish ex players would shut the fuck up TBH. No idea why anyone would support a Liverpool player attacking NUFC... this is probably the saddest effect of the Ashley regime, people don't seem to support their own club any more.

Think the way people's opinions are written off and patronised on here is cringeworthy at times.

Totally agree, you just put it better than I've managed.

I don't know a single person who is happy that Pardew, Llambias or Ashley are at the club, not one. I don't doubt it, I was talking more about performances and results last season. Surely better than most recent seasons, and beyond expectations. Some of last seasons results were brilliant... before they sacked the manager and sold the best player in a six week period. Since then, it's been on a downward spiral. People tend to notice this sort of stuff. As I said, just have to agree to disagree about that. IMO, saying that the second half of last season was a "downward spiral" is going way to far. And this season all we've done is draw with Arsenal. Enrique leaving is a non-criticism for me, he just became too good for us at the same time as his contract was ending. These things happen if you aren't as high up the food chain as other clubs.

Don't get me wrong, I like this board but the feeling between the average poster and the average fan at SJP is often poles apart. Speaking to people at the Arsenal game, people are very fed up. How are the poles apart then? It's suicidal on here at times. Try going to the odd game then. There was brainless abuse directed at good players even when we were playing OK on Saturday. It's always been like that though, SJP is a very demanding place to play, just as bad for the home players as the away at times. Has been like that as long as I've been going. I genuinely thought normal people would be happier than people on forums who dissect the minute detail of Luke Edwards' latest tweet or the latest quote from Pardew. And I do go to the odd game BTW, cheers for the tip though. Must say, I find it thoroughly bizarre that you would think that people as a whole who go to the game and pay a lot of money to do so would be happier seeing the club run like it is than a community of whom a significant number don't go to games regularly or at all. Not a soopafan dig, just completely mind-boggling to me that anyone could have that view on the situation. It's like saying someone who watched the riots on telly would be more annoyed than the bloke who's just had his shop burned down. They're both annoyed but one's got a bit more reason to be. I see what you mean, I just meant that people who judge NUFC mainly based on what they do on the pitch would seem to have to be happier now than any time since the season we got relegated, and maybe the couple before that as well. Not happy compared to when we were in the Champions League obviously, but happier than in most recent seasons. That was before the club sold off several of its best players and pocketed the cash Ian. People are happy with gradual progression and at the very least, something to look forward to. There is very little to look forward to this season other than existing. Well I just have to agree to disagree about that, I think it's possible we could do better this year than last. We need a replacement for Enrique though obviously, and ideally a striker as well, but the window isn't over yet.

I don't know a single person who is happy that Pardew, Llambias or Ashley are at the club, not one. I don't doubt it, I was talking more about performances and results last season. Surely better than most recent seasons, and beyond expectations.

I don't think the motive for seats can be money, you could cram twice as many people in the ground if you let them stand, and only charge maybe 20% less.

Don't get me wrong, I like this board but the feeling between the average poster and the average fan at SJP is often poles apart. Speaking to people at the Arsenal game, people are very fed up. How are the poles apart then? It's suicidal on here at times. Try going to the odd game then. There was brainless abuse directed at good players even when we were playing OK on Saturday. It's always been like that though, SJP is a very demanding place to play, just as bad for the home players as the away at times. Has been like that as long as I've been going. I genuinely thought normal people would be happier than people on forums who dissect the minute detail of Luke Edwards' latest tweet or the latest quote from Pardew. And I do go to the odd game BTW, cheers for the tip though. Must say, I find it thoroughly bizarre that you would think that people as a whole who go to the game and pay a lot of money to do so would be happier seeing the club run like it is than a community of whom a significant number don't go to games regularly or at all. Not a soopafan dig, just completely mind-boggling to me that anyone could have that view on the situation. It's like saying someone who watched the riots on telly would be more annoyed than the bloke who's just had his shop burned down. They're both annoyed but one's got a bit more reason to be. I see what you mean, I just meant that people who judge NUFC mainly based on what they do on the pitch would seem to have to be happier now than any time since the season we got relegated, and maybe the couple before that as well. Not happy compared to when we were in the Champions League obviously, but happier than in most recent seasons.

Don't get me wrong, I like this board but the feeling between the average poster and the average fan at SJP is often poles apart. Speaking to people at the Arsenal game, people are very fed up. How are the poles apart then? It's suicidal on here at times. Try going to the odd game then. There was brainless abuse directed at good players even when we were playing OK on Saturday. It's always been like that though, SJP is a very demanding place to play, just as bad for the home players as the away at times. Has been like that as long as I've been going. I genuinely thought normal people would be happier than people on forums who dissect the minute detail of Luke Edwards' latest tweet or the latest quote from Pardew. And I do go to the odd game BTW, cheers for the tip though.

Don't get me wrong, I like this board but the feeling between the average poster and the average fan at SJP is often poles apart. Speaking to people at the Arsenal game, people are very fed up. How are the poles apart then? It's suicidal on here at times.

Isn't the mood on here much worse than among the rest of the support? I always assumed it was.

Obviously I can see that it will be bad for Pardew if we lose to Sunderland, and that it's worse than losing another game. But to say stuff like "he may as well resign if we lose" as well as "he's on thin ice already" is ludicrous IMO. From any sane point of view he's done a decent job... one loss shouldn't change that no matter who it's against.

Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Well it isn't the end of the window yet. I've always said it would be indefensible if we didn't sign a LB, and I hope we're trying for another striker as well. Yes it would be ideal to have them in before the season, but getting them in before the end of the window is the main thing for me.

Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me.

Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway.

Jesus H Christ.

If you're going to have all seater stadiums then everyone has to sit down IMO. Otherwise people who prefer to sit will have their experience ruined, and so will people who want to stand. The only solution is dedicated standing sections, until then everyone should sit down.

Depends if we lose our next 3 matches due to this incompetence. Well we've already drawn with Arsenal, so not a bad start. Come on Ian that wasn't what I said Ryan Taylor not getting skinned and costing us the match in one game is lucky, over 4 games would be incredible. True, we'll obviously be weaker with Raylor at LB. Hopefully won't come to that for all of the games.

You succeeded in that aim.

Depends if we lose our next 3 matches due to this incompetence. Well we've already drawn with Arsenal, so not a bad start.