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TBH i said top 10 when we started the SA thread and where I felt was a fair place for a first season, while now with the possibility of a bigger budget then your expectations get raised thats the nature of the game. I actually think there is a big difference between everton and spuds spuds being the better of the two. I totally hope for a top 7 finish but by no means if i see signs of constant improvement on and off the pitch then I will be happy.

still recon we need to see what the budget is and who comes and goes then we make a fair judgement of finishing, I still recon we should be aiming to get into the intertoto or eufa so 7 before the take over I said top 10 but I now hope with fresh investment and getting rid of some of the shite then I hope for better. Still nice to see he see's the bigger picture beyong just one season, its like what we have done in the past really buying a trophy signing on the basis of one season or hype and then not thinking about a "bigger picture".

belief they have what it takes to break into the first team? hope that the manager rotates them with another player so they play a fair ammount of games? chance of playing on the "big stage" winning things being on a bumper "champions" type wage lots of reasons really

I mean if he does go to chelsea it must be one of the factors he didnt come to us 1. better wages 2. world class stars to play beside 3. chance of champ league footy and medals. and what we need to remember is 1. we dont know if SA and TBH got on 2. we dont know if SA was to blame for not getting him to extend his stay with Bolton 3. obvious things like we aint in europe right now and we didnt seem to want to match chelseas wage offer.

I remember quotes of 8-10 million being pushed around midway through last season, but yes your right 5-6 even 7 at a push if you tie him down to a long term deal would be good business, we will wait and see even if this is true I no doubt expect challengers for that sort of cash, could be a success of bomb always the risk when buying a young "Unproven" from the lower leagues.

now if you think back to the old management i woud have been shitting myself as I would defiently be expecting a panic buy as we had our eggs all in one basket. Now with SA I feel really calm even if we miss a "real" target due to the fact SA actually does have a list unlike the pretend one roedent always cracked on about. Agreed. A few months after he missed out on Distin before he came here on loan, he signed N'Gotty for £500k...and he gave Bolton 4 good years. we should try and keep the attitude of no player missed is a "Massive loss" the top sides all want very few players and they all move on if they are unsuccessful without feeling it is the end of the world. An this is what Im starting to feel about the toon, we want players if we dont land them it was not meant to be and we will look elsewhere.

its true RVN was a class act also and didnt leave for a bomb, but I really think he isnt that old the knocking factor on his value is the poor injury record he has had the last two seasons we have had him. I would hope we would get more than 9 for him if he is meant to go but as ive always said this summer seems filled with "buyable" strikers and with a bigger budget we could in theory go for another big money one. Really do feel disappointed if he went but no massive loss to the side due to the manager in place and the likelyhood of fresh money comming in

now if you think back to the old management i woud have been shitting myself as I would defiently be expecting a panic buy as we had our eggs all in one basket. Now with SA I feel really calm even if we miss a "real" target due to the fact SA actually does have a list unlike the pretend one roedent always cracked on about.

if bent went for 18 we should be wanting at least 12 he isnt that old and still more of a regular in england side than bent i.

everyone has an opinion of lil owen but I dont remember it was that long ago he came out to say he wanted to play for the club and make up for the fact he has missed so much footie, followed by fresh speculation and he doesnt want to comment. While I admit the longer it goes on the more we all think "its so easy to say your loyal to the club/contract why doesnt he" Now I want him to stay if he goes I have confidence that SA will find someone to fill the gap, though we wont be able to say we have one of the best forwards of this generation, which is really what he is minus the injuries he is pure world class.

to someone looking at newcastle in a similar light if we were to sell milner tommorow and he was our player of the season people may say "who gives a shit the team finished below the likes of reading dont sign the fucker" I mean he may not be what we are looking for but we have lost alot of defends and if the club still plan to loan out the kids we need bodies in and he isnt going to cost the earth.

I guess it is just not heard of here for a while to get a player in and not pay an arm and a leg for him unless there is something the matter with them

well if we do take it as confirmed I was just wondering to myself by august what the squad will be like etc.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun12o.html doesnt seem to be so unconfirmed to me

italian side sampdoria friendly agreed home tie in august

you mean harper wont be made number one when shay goes after all his years of waiting??? on a serious note the lad showed true promise obviously could still turn out to be a flop but while he is here for the long term and is under little to no presure then its a very good thing for the club.

arsenal is arsen wenger and I really expect them to be fucked when he goes, his contacts, his ability to spot top quality for little to no outlay and get a mixture of young and old. A very unique situation but I bet every club would wish to be in there situation Porto had 2 seasons in the elite of European football, similarly Sevilla, but I doubt they'll be top 4 season in, season out for too long without spending to keep up with Barcelona & Real Madrid. Arsenal is a unique situation.

depends on what your impression of "heavy" is. also depends on who is the squad you think is good enough to stay and what calibre of player you wish to replace the squad with. While it is difficult to see at the moment where SA wants to go with his money he gets. He obviously originally stated that he didnt want "trophy" players and no big spends on players not wanting to play. Also setting up a structure doesnt cost pennies either as talked about alot when we found about him comming in we need an overhaul its obvious for any to see. Yes a good manager can penny pinch and work to a small budget and still get success but these days good players dont come cheap. An with the culture here to really expect instant success (poor martins) so I really dont see how we can expect to do an arsenal and get an unknown young kid and chuck him im there for a good few games to see how he gets on not reacting after a game or two with more than two mistakes in. Liverpool have been up there or there abouts season upon season, you don't get far in the champs league and be a bad side so I really dont see why they need a massive investment to push on further.

its a massive piece of pie for any investor to buy one of the "giant clubs" it too manu a while to start spending again as the big outlay was involved to get them. Yes I agree that in some respects new owners don't represent heavy investment, although in our situation Ashley is no idiot it will take money to get this club going places. While as it pains me to say this Liverpool are not that far behind, while we can pick up frailties all over the park anyone can see quality is all over the place at pool, good manager etc. Heavy investment may not be needed to get them going places.

sounds like a good idea while he was playing regularly for the national team he was captain wasnt't he? Has to be well respected over there and over the years (minus the old heave hoe by sir bob) I would say he could only say good things about the club.

A dream can soon turn into a nightmare if the side start struggling does he really want to be in a relegation fight when he is pushing back for an england place? Really think he could live to regret resigning, least it shows loyalty to the side which should be applauded

i suppose if you arent going to buy one another bmw's or helicopters you may as well get a pressie to take the piss out of them.

that city could end up with no take over and no new money or manager does "up shit creak" come to mind for anyone?

I would probably say that his bad and good qualities are 50/50 at the moment while his age works well for him and although we could probably get our money back why bother to sign a more expensive player with prem experience or a player getting on in age.

I don't think £1.5m would be too much of a gamble. baring in mind we played 1.8m for baba I would think we could afford to take a gamble on him