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oh come on, really...? we know if ashley had spent 50m on players and KK was manager there would be no issue but are you seriously, seriously trying to tell me the HATE going about is not primarily based on regionalism? just read the fucking banner man

this is gonna be an avoid going down season at best mate, "doing something" is on the bus to another city along with his friend "enjoyment" slog time i'm afraid

no fucking idea but i hope i never meet the fucker, not sure i'd be able to contain myself

he was fucking appalling yesterday like, what the fuck is hughton doing playing the balloon? stick ranger or someone on, give them a chance...we know what we're gonna get from shola so why bother? always escapes me that...they've written smith off completely but persevere with ameobi? baffling

i think this is the most accurate assessment of things, he's fucked up and probably knows it now - the whole "maximise profits" carry on always stuck in my throat that said, watching us yesterday he might well have fucked up very very badly indeed

btw i've been very, very impartial in this whole KK vs the board thing but watching llambias grin his way through the protests and a defeat to hull enraged me yesterday it actually told me all i need to know about the cunt, i hope he dies a horrible death at the earliest possible juncture

not reading 10 pages of this but early last week i suggested a huge part of the vitriol and bad feeling around was down to regionalism i was told i was wrong, again...!

Milner was unhappy with his wages, a contract he'd signed only a year earlier with 3 years left to run. An offer came in for him which we turned down. As you say Milner then saw that as an opportunity to get a raise. We turned his proposal down, which was the right thing to do IMO considering he'd just had one of his worst seasons only one year after signing his last contract. Milner asked to go and we got a fantastic offer, so we accepted it. To say that we decided to move him on to pay for the likes of Coloccini, or that we'd budgeted for selling him, just isn't fair at all IMO. There's really nothing at all to support that conclusion. Especially as no one in their right mind would budget getting £12m for Milner

There's a difference between replacing a player who the manager is not happy with (both Allardyce & Keegan have been reluctant to play him) and just getting rid of a regular first teamer. I'm sure you can see that. Our run of good form last season came when Milner was not in the team. Good move to try and replace him? but, but, but, but, but he was a first team regular....so, so,so, so, so KK must have been forced to sell him

Has Enrique had his hamstring injury for five months? Had we sold Milner five months ago? At some point you have to say sorry but you have to use the squad to cover and give the youth team exposure. We have a £6m left back who is only 22 and shows good promise. Are you going to buy an older left back and push Enrique back to the reserves? And are you going to pay more than £6m for one? Even Man Utd don't have this sort of investment in a reserve Left Back. Or are you going to buy a 19 year old to cover? Isn't this what the club have been doing in buying up young talent to fill the academy and reserves? If Evra and the Brazillian twin Man U have get injured whilst Brown and O'Shea are suspended is it negligent of Ferguson not to have splashed £5m on another left back to cover exceptional circumstances? you are wasting your time...they never bought a left back man! keegan was lied to...

That Ashley's priorities aren't the same as the fans is pretty obvious.Why would they be when it's going to be HIS money that is bakrolling the club? Even so, the fact we paid £10m for an international defender sort of disproves the theory that the club is actively buying cheap imports to sell at a higher price. It points to a strategy of not buying players who are over the hill and over-valued, while paying decent money for the right player. this was done to death over the summer Tron but it's not his money really is it? i mean it is in the sense that the fans are giving him it, and sky is giving him it therefore it's his in a sense...but it's not HIS if you see what i mean, i.e. to fund players he doesn't HAVE to dig into his personal account does he? there's been enough Sky money and enough ST money through the club in 2 summers for there to have been a lot more investment in players for the first team, and that's the start and end of it as ever people are taking the extremes with the "player value" comment and assuming we're now in the business of selling only for profit based on the milner deal (deal of a lifetime by the way) - i'm inclined to agree with your asessment personally It is his money though like it or not. Once you pay for your ticket the money belongs to NUFC, Ashley owns NUFC outright therefore the money is his. Its the same principle as buying a can of coke. Its your money going to the Coca-Cola company but it belongs to them once you have bought the goods. Just because there is an emotional attachment to football doesn't mean the rules of the world change unfortunately yeah, i know, that's why i said it's his money the thing is you wouldn't keep buying coke if coke didn't use the same standard ingredients and it tasted like shit would you? that's what he's headed towards anyways the point i was making was that there's enough cash come into the club for him to have been able to finance a reasonable spend without even thinking of bringing more extrenal funds of his own to do it, yet he's not bothered

basically correct, yeah...ashley isn't spending enough of the clubs money, but i'm yet to be convinced he won't spend EVER unlike some people using the milner sale to justify the maximise profits stuff is truly incredible - i can't think of a better financial deal for a player we've ever had given his level of ability and end product on the pitch, they'd have been mental to turn it down...keegan obviously agreed with that as well given he sanctioned the sale lets see who they bring in and lets see what happens in january - you have to assume they'll ensure the new guys sings from the same sheet player-wise (pardon the pun) therefore if they don't spend in january it's really time to wonder, although it'll likely be explained by lack of time or some s*** for me the allardyce window and last can be "conveniently" explained away by a number of factors - if they get a new guy now i can see no excuses anymore... The Milner deal was too good to turn down, but the benefit of it was simply that it helped balance the books on our transfer activity for the summer and left Ashley having invested no new money in the squad. I could well believe that the issue of the Milner money was the last straw for Keegan. I can't see that there were any excuses for lack of investment this time tbh. what i mean is that they could, if they wanted to, point to the low spend(s) in the following ways: allardyce summer = not our man, martial backing jan 2008 = change of manager & setting up transfer team summer 2008 = some targets secured but large scale disagreement between transfer team & manager prohibited efforts in the market assuming they appoint a new guy by october none of those things can be considered relevant come jan 2009 if there's no money spent...however the vast majority of this argument goes out the window given they've let slip that the budget was only 12m iirc! looked at the possible team we can put out tomorrow and it's terrifying for the season ahead really...assuming wise is advising ashley he must be a fucken idiot if he's telling him there's enough depth in the squad to take us a season...however assuming the budget was always 12m then they did a fairly decent job of trying to add players imo and maybe ashley just doesn't care if we have the depth, as some people believe.... Good post in general, but even this idea that the squad is threadbare isn't 100% accurate. We have a situation where we have a really high injury count at the moment, where not only the first team players are missing, some of their replacements have also been struck down. Martins and Viduka from the strikers, Geremi, Barton, Duff and Jonas from the midfield, our two first choice full backs from the defenders. That would be difficult for most teams to cover to be fair. granted, but to start the season counting barton when he could feasibly have got a 15 match ban is nuts...then you have to factor in the virtual guarantee that owen, duff & viduka will be injured for large parts of a season THEN you have to also factor in that ameobi, duff & smith barely count as footballers i know what you mean, numbers wise we have a squad but in reality we don't, and it needed to be addressed but wasn't

That Ashley's priorities aren't the same as the fans is pretty obvious.Why would they be when it's going to be HIS money that is bakrolling the club? Even so, the fact we paid £10m for an international defender sort of disproves the theory that the club is actively buying cheap imports to sell at a higher price. It points to a strategy of not buying players who are over the hill and over-valued, while paying decent money for the right player. this was done to death over the summer Tron but it's not his money really is it? i mean it is in the sense that the fans are giving him it, and sky is giving him it therefore it's his in a sense...but it's not HIS if you see what i mean, i.e. to fund players he doesn't HAVE to dig into his personal account does he? there's been enough Sky money and enough ST money through the club in 2 summers for there to have been a lot more investment in players for the first team, and that's the start and end of it as ever people are taking the extremes with the "player value" comment and assuming we're now in the business of selling only for profit based on the milner deal (deal of a lifetime by the way) - i'm inclined to agree with your asessment personally What I meant was, for there to be major investment like say £50m, either we'd have to go into debt or he would have to spend his own money like the City Sheikhs are doing (I presume). no i know, but how much do you think sky & ST money comes to over 2 summers? i'm gonna say 30m a season from sky and say the same from ST's/corporates each summer so basically 120m since he took the club over, and that ignores other revenue streams i don't that's being unrealistic/OTT either personally...and you then think assuming we stay up it's coming again next season, and the season after that... so why couldn't he invest a net of say 50m to now on the right types of player for him (i.e. value for money) and recoup that over the subsequent seasons from club income? it wouldn't even need to have been long term debt

Fair enough then, it's just that some people go on as if it was the typical MO of the old board to buy over the hill players for loads of money, whereas in actual fact that couldn't be further from the truth. change "over the hill players" to "players that failed fundamentally on some level" and you'll be nearer the mark that said, they paid some pretty big fees for a few players that turned out to be a success too, in the interests of balance....

That Ashley's priorities aren't the same as the fans is pretty obvious.Why would they be when it's going to be HIS money that is bakrolling the club? Even so, the fact we paid £10m for an international defender sort of disproves the theory that the club is actively buying cheap imports to sell at a higher price. It points to a strategy of not buying players who are over the hill and over-valued, while paying decent money for the right player. this was done to death over the summer Tron but it's not his money really is it? i mean it is in the sense that the fans are giving him it, and sky is giving him it therefore it's his in a sense...but it's not HIS if you see what i mean, i.e. to fund players he doesn't HAVE to dig into his personal account does he? there's been enough Sky money and enough ST money through the club in 2 summers for there to have been a lot more investment in players for the first team, and that's the start and end of it as ever people are taking the extremes with the "player value" comment and assuming we're now in the business of selling only for profit based on the milner deal (deal of a lifetime by the way) - i'm inclined to agree with your asessment personally

basically correct, yeah...ashley isn't spending enough of the clubs money, but i'm yet to be convinced he won't spend EVER unlike some people using the milner sale to justify the maximise profits stuff is truly incredible - i can't think of a better financial deal for a player we've ever had given his level of ability and end product on the pitch, they'd have been mental to turn it down...keegan obviously agreed with that as well given he sanctioned the sale lets see who they bring in and lets see what happens in january - you have to assume they'll ensure the new guys sings from the same sheet player-wise (pardon the pun) therefore if they don't spend in january it's really time to wonder, although it'll likely be explained by lack of time or some s*** for me the allardyce window and last can be "conveniently" explained away by a number of factors - if they get a new guy now i can see no excuses anymore... The Milner deal was too good to turn down, but the benefit of it was simply that it helped balance the books on our transfer activity for the summer and left Ashley having invested no new money in the squad. I could well believe that the issue of the Milner money was the last straw for Keegan. I can't see that there were any excuses for lack of investment this time tbh. what i mean is that they could, if they wanted to, point to the low spend(s) in the following ways: allardyce summer = not our man, martial backing jan 2008 = change of manager & setting up transfer team summer 2008 = some targets secured but large scale disagreement between transfer team & manager prohibited efforts in the market assuming they appoint a new guy by october none of those things can be considered relevant come jan 2009 if there's no money spent...however the vast majority of this argument goes out the window given they've let slip that the budget was only 12m iirc! looked at the possible team we can put out tomorrow and it's terrifying for the season ahead really...assuming wise is advising ashley he must be a fucken idiot if he's telling him there's enough depth in the squad to take us a season...however assuming the budget was always 12m then they did a fairly decent job of trying to add players imo and maybe ashley just doesn't care if we have the depth, as some people believe....

Perhaps Sir Bobby should have asked the same question of Mick Wadsworth when he let him sign up Gavilan, Cordone, Bassedas and Acuna. Ouch!

basically correct, yeah...ashley isn't spending enough of the clubs money, but i'm yet to be convinced he won't spend EVER unlike some people using the milner sale to justify the maximise profits stuff is truly incredible - i can't think of a better financial deal for a player we've ever had given his level of ability and end product on the pitch, they'd have been mental to turn it down...keegan obviously agreed with that as well given he sanctioned the sale lets see who they bring in and lets see what happens in january - you have to assume they'll ensure the new guys sings from the same sheet player-wise (pardon the pun) therefore if they don't spend in january it's really time to wonder, although it'll likely be explained by lack of time or some shit for me the allardyce window and last can be "conveniently" explained away by a number of factors - if they get a new guy now i can see no excuses anymore...

The 'being highly regarded by people more qualified than you or I' is a convenient thing to throw in to try and strengthen your point, how many managers have rated Shola? Does that mean we're all wrong because the likes of Sir Bobby thought he was quality? That's really clutching at straws. The fact is the club now has N'Zogbia and Duff down the left and Jonas and Geremi down the right, I can't remember a time we've ever started a season this better off for wide men, can you? Did Robson ever think Shola was quality? Has there ever been a time when Shola was above 3rd choice striker at best? Milner was 1st choice RW for a number of managers. I'd say Solano, Milner, N'Zogbia, Duff 2 seasons ago were equal to the current selection, and if you can stretch your mind back 4 years, I'd say Robert, Dyer, Bowyer, N'Zogbia, Milner was a far better selection. "it was my decision to sell james milner" - kevin keegan FAIL! Missing bit he didn't say: "Because I've been told that's the only way to get the players I've been promised all summer which have failed to materialise" aye you're right, he didn't say that did he? good point

half decent team isn't good enough. Keegan broke the record transfer fee for the club for a defender when he bought Darren Peacock, in fact. He also did it again when he bought Warren Barton. Gullit paid big money to buy Marcelino and Goma when the club needed defenders. Then they did it again when they bought Woodgate. Didn't stop them buying strikers and forwards as well. But continue defending the fat b****** for all that your'e worth and ignoring these facts. Why did we sell Woodgate then if it wasn't a good deal? Or Les Ferdinand for that matter? I seem to remember a certain "fat b******" chairman describing both deals as exactly that. Les Ferdinand was sold before your scrapegoat was chairman. And Woodgate was a good deal. If you are trying to say the club didn't back its managers, then your on a different planet. Aside of this, you'll never get it, until one day you are looking at a half empty ground of a club that sells its best players. And even then, you'll never admit that you were wrong. Mike Ashley is running this club into the ground, and its extremely sad that people like you have not seen the blindlingly obvious. He doesn't care about the club, and doesn't particularly want to be successful on the pitch, so long as he makes a profit from ticket sales, player sales, TV Revenue. etc etc. Wake up and smell the coffee. Woodgate was sold late in the window and not replaced until January...what's to say Keegan wouldn't have got his Milner replacement in a similar fashion? If I remember rightly, keegan said exactly that. If they didn't manage to use the money in this window, they will do thier best in the next. In fact he made a point of highlighting the similarities of the Andy Cole deal as a reason to trust him over the Milner sale. nah, fuckin conspiracy mate, maximise profits an that y'naa...

anyone read the stuff about liverpool fans protesting before the man u game? is the whole thing not basically fans throwing their toys out the pram 'cause the new owners they wanted aren't throwing money about left, right and centre? us included obviously... that's liverpool who have spent 20m+ two summers in a row on new strikers, i feel i must add the point being, as NE5 said ages ago, be careful what you wish for...we wished rid of shepherd and got ashley who "cleared the debt" and "instituted a plan" - 2 things people really wanted to see happen the plan hasn't gone 100% their way & now they want rid of ashley after a year, even NE5 (from what i can see) despite it being him who originated the be careful what you wish for idea so for me i hope the revolt works, ashley leaves, and we get a foreign owner (remember when everyone thought it was great we got an english owner? i do) who finances the purchase of the club completely on loans and we're spending millions just paying the interest back...then again that'll never happen will it? the grass is always greener

The 'being highly regarded by people more qualified than you or I' is a convenient thing to throw in to try and strengthen your point, how many managers have rated Shola? Does that mean we're all wrong because the likes of Sir Bobby thought he was quality? That's really clutching at straws. The fact is the club now has N'Zogbia and Duff down the left and Jonas and Geremi down the right, I can't remember a time we've ever started a season this better off for wide men, can you? Did Robson ever think Shola was quality? Has there ever been a time when Shola was above 3rd choice striker at best? Milner was 1st choice RW for a number of managers. I'd say Solano, Milner, N'Zogbia, Duff 2 seasons ago were equal to the current selection, and if you can stretch your mind back 4 years, I'd say Robert, Dyer, Bowyer, N'Zogbia, Milner was a far better selection. "it was my decision to sell james milner" - kevin keegan FAIL!

Would you be happy with, say, Jonathan Douglas (Leeds captain under Wise) as manager first team coach? I don't have a clue what the hell you are on about with this comment? It's like half of the people on here have lost their senses in the last couple of weeks! What does Jonathan Douglas have to do with my post? Well, it's just that someone like Jonathan Douglas currently has as much of an adequate CV (captain of a Championship/League 1 side for a couple of years) to be a the head coach of a Premiership side as Dennis Wise (manager of a Championship/League 1 side for a couple of years) has to be the Director of Football of a Premiership side. You're happy with Dennis Wise, a man with no experience of even managing at a Premiership club to be given a role much more critical to the success of the team than the coach, so would you be happy with a coach who had a similar level of experience of coaching? FAIL! double fail tbh

i've deleted all the immature posts from this clip. Its' impossible to answer this, without talking about the old board etc, because you are asking me to make a comparison of the club betwen different eras and owners. And when I do that, a lot of people appear to simply not like the truth. See this link here, I pretty much agree with most of what is in this. I don't have a link to the original http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?showtopic=3638 I don't really want to go along with the "blame" mentality, the most important thing is to realse where the wants to go. Only the owner really knows. I have long suspected that Mike Ashley never reallly had serious intentions to succeed on the pitch with the football club. I never expected Keegan to do his 3 years, because I expected him to realise that they didn't have the ambition that he quite correctly demands of a club which is one of the biggest in the country, but I must admit that i "hoped" we would have had him in charge longer than this. I have to say, that a lot of people have been saying they "think" a particlar thing ie a particular sighing, but what they really meant was "hope" I've been bitten on the arse too often by this club over the years to think that what I "hope will happen" construes to "what I think will happen". I don;t think a short term boycott wil work. I think Ashley will sell the club when he is good and ready. Although I concede a boycott and demonstration makes you feel better if thats what you want to do. Everybody is different. Only long term apathy, or a good offer at this time will make Ashey sell the club. good post that, hope some of the riled up loons read it before they head off on saturday and spout "cockney dwarf" hatred at dennis wise or whatever other embarassing shit they'll feed the sky cameras whatever happens i fear dignity isn't going to be on the menu for NUFC

yet you knowashley would want to hurt us? is what i'm reading into that... do tell... ...and where did i mention Ashley you didn't, that's why i said i'm reading that into it but by saying keegan is blameless by implication you're saying someone else is not surely?