Kaizero

You guys know the discussion will just keep going in the other games thread when there's, you know, other games on. If this thread actually succeeds in removing the discussions I'll donate £50 to the foodbank at some point.

Understandable, and it's also what I think people fail to understand. That OGS just fits Man Utd at the moment.

Ask @Decky

A deciding moment would be, should it come to it, who you appoint after OGS. You'd need someone who could build on the feelgood factor he's added to the club and the general Sir Alex-ness of the day-to-day. Who'd you go for, and who do you think the board would go for? Just go with anyone as who knows who might be available next year or so on.

You're not explaining the logic though. If you had just said it's opinion, sure. That's why I'm discussing this in the first place, to showcase that it is opinion and not the facts of the matter. I've utilized stats and circumstances to back up my point. I don't say I know for sure there's no manager out there that wouldn't do better, I'm just saying the critique aimed at OGS is absolute overkill given the actual situation.

How do you quantify "best"? I think there are a lot of "better" managers than Ole in the world, as well as managers with tons more heavy honors to their name they could appoint. Do I think any of them suit Man Utd better at the moment? Not really. Do I believe there are better managers than Rafa out there? Yes. I still want Rafa, he suits NUFC to a tee.

I'm just going off the requirements listed by posters on here when it comes to being good enough to be appointed to a "big" club. My entire point is that it wasn't wrong of Dortmund to appoint Klopp, yet following the logic given around OGS that would've been a horrible decision by Dortmund.

I actually dislike him quite a bit. My Norwegian team is Rosenborg. I just dislike people not being logical more.

Your own logic used against you.

Two 11th placed finishes in the Bundesliga as his highest peak, no honours, failed in the UEFA Cup qualifiers, one relegation and failed promotion push.

Do you fail to realize they were appointed to their first - massive - clubs on lesser merits than OGS was to his Man Utd gig? Yet these are genius managers, and OGS can be written off after two and a half years with steady improvement and progress at a club that had failed to finish in the top third 5 out of 6 times before OGS got the gig? You can't have both. Barcelona were just, or moreso, as idiotic as Man Utd by appointing Pep, in your opinion - then.

People are discounting just how hard (relatively speaking, as the quality of players and teams in the league is lesser than in big leagues) it was to essentially topple Rosenborg off their throne in Norway. It's like taking over Hearts or Aberdeen and then taking them to total Scottish domination. Yes, the quality of the league is much poorer than the PL. Doesn't mean it's not hard to topple dominant forces. Hodgson failed at doing so in Norway. Potter failed in Sweden.

Pep's done a good job at Barcelona, but they need a step up in class. Tito's done a good job at Barcelona, but they need a step up in class. Klopp's done a good job at Dortmund, but they need a step up in class. Tuchel's done a good job at Dortmund, but they need a step up in class.

https://themastermindsite.com/2020/12/30/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-manchester-united-tactical-analysis/ https://runningtheshowblog.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/manchester-united-pressing-tactics-tactical-analysis-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/ Having watched his Molde side it's fairly easy for me to recognize his football philosophy and he's implemented that at Man Utd and understand a lot of his reasoning behind the changes he does.

Then neither would Guardiola at Barcelona, or Klopp at Dortmund - and tons more. Tuchel as well. You don't measure a manager on the owners, you measure him on the fans. The fans know what is the best for the club even if the manager is a former player. Sure, it can buy a little extra time, but not two and a half years. They're seeing things they like. OGS isn't non critical either, he spoke out against the ESL the earliest among the ESL managers and kept it up as well even after it was resolved.

I'm, obviously, talking in football news/shows covering the PL. It is still the biggest football league in the world if measured by interest outside their own country.

Where are the Man Utd fans wanting him out, then? You can counter that argument with everyone outside NUFC saying we should be happy with Bruce, surely we know better than the outsiders what is best for our club? If the Man Utd fans are happy, that means they are seeing things they like that are going in a direction they like. Otherwise they'd hound him out.

This is, again, opinion. No other club has said they are saying they hope they stick with him. The guy just finished ahead of 18 of the clubs. There's very little animosity or negative talk regarding OGS at Man Utd outside England, where there's a lot.

Can you exemplify, though? "He's not a top tier manager", okay, explain to me what a top tier manager is and what the requirement should be to manage Man Utd.

It's been great, my vitriol was not aimed at you per se, more that I've been in this discussion before and things generally tend to devolve at the stage I bring in the third best in their managerial history stats and so on, so I reacted preemptively

As mentioned in my post, Man Utd has finished top 3 only three times since Sir Alex retired - two of those are the full seasons under OGS. He has the third best record of any Man Utd manager through history. Those are the irrefutable facts of the situation. I would not throw the die and change manager if I was Man Utd looking at those numbers. Van Gaal didn't get Man Utd into the top three. People are forgetting just how shit Man Utd were after Sir Alex.

As mentioned in the comments, some of those aren't even correct. And also, they're of no consequence. The results at the end of a season are what matters. Positive win records mean nothing either if they are off-set by tons of losses otherwise. Hence why my post referenced actual results, not records.

Third best record in Man Utd managerial history, five semi-finals and one final since he took over. Since Sir Alex retired, Man Utd have only finished in the top 3 three times, with OGS leading the team in two of them. Yes, no actual trophies, but the results under OGS are all pointing in the correct direction.

Shaw, Bissaka, Rashford, Martial, Fred and McTominay off the top of my head all improved vastly under OGS. There's more as well but I can't recall names. The team looks cohesive, for one, compared to previous Man Utd versions under other managers post-Sir Alex.

Give me some good reasons for why OGS doesn't qualify for a possible top tier manager, then.