Kaizero

I'm considering it. Won't start properly thinking of back-up plans before there's a final decision made by the SBR foundation though.

We can give them all the money we want. It's about them endorsing the project and their logo being displayed on the shirt, which would be pivotal to "sell the idea" to anyone considering one.

Detailed sales plan. More in-depth analysis of the market. More in-depth description of the project, the thought behind it, why it's being done and more along those lines as I think it's mostly that they fear it may be seen as anti-ashley/current Newcastle regime that's keeping them off, which is fair enough as I understand them not wanting any trouble with the club. And even with this not being an anti-anything shirt, it could still be seen as one by the club. We'll be talking more though, I'll remain positive as long as there's not a definite "no" out there.

There's always been a poll in the shirt thread, and there won't be a poll between suggest already existing mock-ups as their made from pre-existing templates from both Puma and Nike. Unless this was a jibe about something else, which in that case probably is fair enough.

SBR foundation has gotten back to me now, and their first answer is not a good one as they say they're not really keen on commercial projects at this time. But they would like to discuss the matter in even further detail before their final decision and there'll be discussed a commercial participators agreement just in case. I'll give you all further detail on everything as soon as there's a final decision. Though at the moment it's not looking too good, but there's still hope.

I'll try to get in touch with someone who knows at Nike tomorrow. Any aid in finding contact info for such a person would be welcomed, not much help on the Nike site tbh.

Now that's nice. Still think it should be unique though, I'd want to be paying for more than just a shirt in black and white tbh. Though it's a good option to have in the backhand to be able to do something with a template should the Viga deal prove too hard to fund.

While I see your point, part of the plan here is having the SBR foundation logo on the shirt, and possibly the Newcastle town coat of arms. If we were to buy those plain shirts for £10 and flog them for £20 without anything to put them apart from the £10 version, people would just buy the £10 version regardless of the other £10 going to charity. Whilst through Viga we get a kit that's with both a badge and a "sponsor" for about the same price (£10), with approx £10 (off £20) going to charity from each shirt. It's about getting something unique and supporting a charity tbh. Obviously it needs to look good to succeed, mind. I'm sure you could get logos printed (or embroidered) onto a shirt like that. If you did enough quantity it would probably work out cheapish, and I don't mean £7k worth. It's a possibility, no doubt. But it would have to be through a reseller, or Nike themselves, as fuck if I'll be sat around embroiding shit onto every shirt. It wouldn't be unique though (i.e. our design), which is a minus.

Open to any suggestions on how to make the shirts, mind. Nothing is set in stone with Viga yet, it just seem the most viable option at the moment.

It's a deposit as they will make a shitload of shirts to reduce production costs, and if we can't flog them we buy it. (The £7000)

While I see your point, part of the plan here is having the SBR foundation logo on the shirt, and possibly the Newcastle town coat of arms. If we were to buy those plain shirts for £10 and flog them for £20 without anything to put them apart from the £10 version, people would just buy the £10 version regardless of the other £10 going to charity. Whilst through Viga we get a kit that's with both a badge and a "sponsor" for about the same price (£10), with approx £10 (off £20) going to charity from each shirt. It's about getting something unique and supporting a charity tbh. Obviously it needs to look good to succeed, mind.

Just to explain the actual process a bit more: 1. We get the SBR foundations endorsement. If we do not get it, the project will be dead in the water and most likely never happen unless someone else have a brilliant idea how to do it. 2. We start a fundraising to raise the £7000 deposit. (Which will be refunded to investors after around 500-700 shirts are sold.) 3. We get the kit designed as the fundraising goes on, if we can't raise all the funds the project will be discontinued and everything returned to the investors. 4. We give the design and deposit to Viga, and they start the process to make the shirts, and we get our own newcastle.viga.co.uk (just along those lines, not certain it'd be "newcastle".) thing to sell it from. 5. Viga will on our request control the money coming in, and will return £7000 to us when it's made. Then after that they will send all proceeds straight to the SBR foundation from there to avoid someone like me, or anyone else involved, stealing money.

Get a life ffs. Also, while at it, learn to read. I'm doing neither of those things. I like that the awards are deemed as being so important. Er, they're not. That's kind of my point, Einstein. But that's just my point, Edison. There wasn't people's money involved or any of those factors, I think something like this would command a bit more commitment from Kaizero. Don't bother about him, man. Definition of a WUM trying to stir something up in a thread mostly devoted to discussing a way to support a charity because they have nothing better to do with themselves, or anything worthwhile to say.

Isn't it the Portland Timbers that joins the MLS in 2011? Or do both join?

That would make it harder to sell, IMO. Whilst the proceeds would still go to charity, it wouldn't have any "proper" connection to the SBR foundation. There's a two-step ladder here, firstly the investment from people to make this happen needs to be returned (unless they simply want to make the shirt happen, but I doubt most people have enough money to not want it back, I plan on putting a lot into it to make this happen if the SBR foundation is on board, but I can't do without all of it so there needs to be a basis to sell enough to make back the initial investment and make more for the foundation.) and second it needs to sell enough to make money for the SBR foundation. Without their approval and endorsement, I'm uncertain it would be able to sell enough to make money for the foundation, and probably not even make back the initial investment. Which would probably be a massive issue for whoever gets involved. Of course there could be other charities in Newcastle worth writing home about, but none that would strike the NUFC fans as much as the SBR foundation. So it really hinges on whether or not they want to be a part of it for real, and not just us saying they'll get the proceeds.

Exactly what's been done and said in the inquiry.

It'll be done through Viga, we already have a price quote from them and everything but we'll need to come up with the design ourselves and they'll make it a shirt.

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR. If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue) Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers. It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board. They could be more persuaded if two sets of fans were behind it True. But we've already made the enquiry, and will more than likely have an answer before we'd been able to discuss things with Ipswich fans. And for all we know the sales potential could not even be there for them, so would be best to look into helping them after we get an answer from the SBR foundation and get ourselves properly started, if the SBR foundation are on board, naturally.

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR. If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue) Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers. It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board. It would also double the start up costs? All that’s needed is a simple black and white shirt that does justice to the traditions of the club and the loyalty of the supporters. If you can achieve that you’ll have done great job. Best of luck. Would be for the Ipswich fans to sort out themselves, we'd just give them aid through the experience we'd have making this happen and sharing whatever connections we'd made. Our shirt is our only priority.

Yeah, can't be a direct rip-off of this seasons templates though. So the ones around here that know how to design should try to think original and sexy if they want to participate. I don't know, that Nike fan made mock up is popular, and I'm sure whoever made it wouldn't have anything against having it as an actual shirt. Red numbers one, or am I thinking of something else? And if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's made from a Nike template which means it could be legal worries using it. Could be easily fixed by doing some alterations to it to make it pretty much the same, just, I don't know, different?

Maybe you are remembering the half Ipswich and half NUFC scrafs we had last year. To me those scarfs are fine, but on a shirt it doesn't work and doesn't look right, infact it looks tacky. The only idea like that that seems reasonable is a reversable one. We would have to get some feedback from Ipwsich ans though, but I would take a guess and say that like us they would prefer their own shirts dedicated to SBR. If an NUFC shirt were to be manufactured, a similar ipswich shirt could be made and manufactured using the same template (except plain blue) Still though we should get in touch with the Ipswich fan club or similar to see what they think of the idea and if it would be a success. It though would have to be down to them to make it happen though, though I'm sure we could help them out, I.E. getting intouch with the SBR Foundation and shirt makers. It's a canny idea which should be explored should this work out, but we can't get too far ahead of ourselves already and start involving another club when we don't even know if the SBR foundation will be on board.

Not really. It looks like what it is, somebody who is exploring the possibility of offering supporters a way of wearing their team’s colours whilst raising some money for a good cause while they’re at it. Any confusion is all in your head. The Newcastle replica kit was poorly designed and overpriced long before Ashley arrived - symbolic of the exploitation of supporter’s loyalty. The contempt of Puma’s design team may be the catalyst of for this idea, but football clubs have been taking the piss for years. Sticking the club crest on any old bit of tat and saying ‘that’ll be fifty quid’. Whether he succeds or not, I applaud Kaizero for taking the initiative - and fart in the general direction of those who nitpick instead of getting behind a worthwhile idea. Cheers for that.

Yeah, can't be a direct rip-off of this seasons templates though. So the ones around here that know how to design should try to think original and sexy if they want to participate.

I think most of us like the Nike mock up. Is it possible to get intouch with the shirt makers, and say the likes of Back page, TF, and The Mag to see what they think and if they would back the idea if permission was gained? Will inquire with them tomorrow and hear their thoughts.

It's a Nike template, all clubs not sponsored by them can buy it to use as their kit if they want to. i know. was more saying buy a local none league teams top helping them out financially rather than "notts county" kind of thing tbh Fair enough. For some reason I thought you were saying it was only Notts who had it, I dunno what I'd been reading.