Gallowgate Toon

Top and bottom of it is, when you think over the last 3 seasons, some of the good times and you think who was pretty much the main reason for them, it is Martins. He was involved in every single one like UEFA cup vs AZ at home, the win against Liverpool, the draw vs Man U, the wins against Tottenham, the end of last season he played a massive part in that, beating Villa, beating Pompey, the goal vs Boro. Whether you think he's a fucking clueless prick or mint, facts are that in this crap season he's the only one that's provided something with some pretty good goals and some flair and passion at times, yeah he bottled it in the latter games but that was down to pressure and low confidence, something that everyone else was suffering with. He probably will go to someone like Genoa, and have a good career, he'll be a huge miss imo.

Got to say I agree at the moment. Yes they messed him around but the way he just quit so easily has tainted my view of him forever. Hes a quitter and hes hid ever since he left us. I'll never welcome him anywhere near this club again. The rest of you can of course, but hes a bottler and a coward in my eyes. I'm so sick of our past, I just want this club to move in the right direction for a change. Both these posts are utter bullshit and show a complete lack of respect for and understanding of what Keegan has done for this club. The man wants 8 million compensation still even after we've been relegated. If he was such a great man, who loves the club, he'd show some fucking compassion for us and just leave it, it's not as if he's flat broke. That is the sign of a right greedy twat.

There are positives to take tbh however depressing it feels now. It is key though that the right decisions are made when we start to rebuild. We need to get rid of the old, slow players and bring in some youth and vibrance. I personally am looking forward to seeing Kazenga Lua Lua get a game over the likes of Damien Duff week in week out, and Danny Guthrie will hopefully start over Nicky Butt etc. I hope we can keep a hold of a couple of players like Enrique and Martins (very unlikely) and i can see perhaps Beye and Viduka both staying, particularly the latter. It has been a shit season, but last time we came up we took the Premier League by storm with KK, and i hope with the right man in charge (Shearer would be no. 1 choice) we can do the same.

Jason Scotland.

Butt was heading for the tunnel from what i could see from the 'tears on tyne' video. Were any of them at all emotional?

He'll go back to Depor, be their captain again and play in the uefa next season.

What makes you think we'll rebuild? We might be consigned to the lower leagues from now. See Charlton, Norwich, Southampton, Leeds etc etc. Those clubs we're broke, had relatively no appeal to anyone and are a totally different breed to us, you could perhaps take Leeds into account but they were bankrupt. Now i might just be in a shit load of shock that i really haven't taken it or i really just think that football is a game and i have more to live for. The reason we've gone down went back to 5 years ago we've pissed about and we've bought some real shite, to see the back of Butt etc makes me smile tbh obviously there'll be some real losses like Martins but for the first time this season i have felt fully optimistic that things will be better. And i don't give 2 hoots about whether we've previously not gone straight back up that was 1989 this is 2009.

Best fucking thing imo i don't give a shit if we're in the championship for one year, because next year may have been even fucking worse because we might have kept half the same team. Honestly getting rid of some of the shit like Butt and Owen and Duff and Harper is what i've wanted for more than a season. All we have to do now is rebuild the right way and we'll be fine.

Same, i actually feel fine, i'm surprisingly optimistic about it all.

I sometimes however think that Martins is quite reluctant to use his pace tbh as like Pompey he loses control, may be why he doesn't use it all that often because it'll make him look shit, especially when he's not in a period of confidence.

Not quite, problem with Martins is that he's always on his heels in those situations, everytime the defenders already been running and in 10 yard sprints that you get in football, being on your heels nullifies the threat no matter how fast you are. Martins is very quick see Fulham, Chelsea, Sheff United, Villa, Pompey, Liverpool (where he scored) and Birmingham but he just doesn't use it well.

I mean take Fulham's midfielders yesterday, they had a great balance Murphy is no spring chicken and he's not exactly the quickest but he pulled the strings with his footballing brain and Etuhu? had the legs and work rate. Neither are particularly great players but they worked well and imagine what they thought when they saw who they were up against. If you compare that pairing to ours... Butt, was supposed to be our Etuhu, who was the epitome of discipline and hard work he kept his head well, kept his position well and protected the back 4 at all times and most importantly did the simple things he didn't try an over zealous hollywood ball or dink it out the stadium he did what he was told. Butt however didn't, at one point Schwarzer was about to kick and Nicky Butt chased him and harried him but left a black hole right in the middle of the pitch. No wonder Murphy pulled all the strings, he had acres of space and time to spread it out to Convey or play it in to Nevland or play it behind for Kamara. I felt sorry for Nolan because he's obviously not the fittest but he basically had to cover 2 positions making it worse as he was fucked after 60 mins but again he was meant to be our Murphy, pulling all the strings and driving us forward but Etuhu always had him and Nolan didn't have the pace or nous to get away from him. It was sad to see really but it pains me even more to think what Murphy and Etuhu would have thought if they'd seen Barton and Guthrie on the team sheet or even Smith.

Thing is our CM's aren't even good defensively, bar Alan Smith perhaps. Nicky Butt, our anchor and defensive cover spends half of his time sprinting about leaving a huge hole where he should have been and he doesn't have the legs to get back, and Nolan is too fat to cover him well enough so then teams have a mass of space to play in. Yesterday at half time i would have taken Butt/Nolan off put Guthrie in the middle and stuck Loven out wide. A huge part of yesterday's problem is that we didn't play a winger on the right making our attacks even more predictable, and although Loven's best position is a striker he wouldn't have kept drifting in spreading Fulham out and making space for our strikers. I was tearing my hair out when Guthrie came off because although Nolan's alright in attack, he doesn't quite have the vision to play through balls, Guthrie does, he's the next best after Barton and i can't fathom why he doesn't start in the middle above everyone else.

He's been doing that sort of thing all year. A lot of Seb's errors yesterday came from Stevie Taylor, he left his man about 100 times in the first half and what was he doing for their goal? bollock head defender and Bassong looks really nervy when he plays with him.

Villa's home form has been pretty crap all season, they've only won 6.

I remember the best i've seen all season and neither of them were in it. Although Nolan has picked up a bit in the last couple of games, he's just too slow.

Butt was atrocious once again. Pass after pass to nowhere, it's such a shame that Shearer can drop MO but he can't drop ginger Nicky. He is the huge weak link in our side: Slow, weak, irrational, no skill and old. He and Nolan couldn't keep up today with a much better midfield than Boro's, and that's been the problem all season, a weak as piss, slow as piss midfield. Teams that are actually decent just breeze past us nullifying th defensive prowess, and can easily stand off us because they know shit all will be created. Because the midfield is crap, the forwards suffer with a lack of football, instead receiving balls that are above head height and are really not going anywhere. Today Guthrie should've been in the middle with Nolan (he was alright on the ball) that's such an improvement and it would have killed 2 birds with 1 stone because another issue was the right, we didn't have a real RM, Guthrie naturally went into the middle leaving Beye on his own and made us more predictable as we then had to pretty much go down th left.

Any player who can't score goals should never be considered for such an advanced position. He could though, we've just never seen him in that position enough. When he was running at the Boro players the other night and won us that free kick, he looked threatening. All i'm saying is give it a chance, it might work.

He'd be much better playing behind 2 strikers imo, a bit like the Owen role last season. He makes intelligent runs, can run at the defence making space for strikers, he can play decent through balls see Martins vs. Popey and he can still get back and defend. Him, Martins and Viduka as a front 3 next season would be class imo.

Hilarious stuff. I love the bit that suggests it's Shearer's fault for sticking him on the right wing. Nah, i said he had a very small part to play, which he did. Have you not asked yourself why Joey Barton, our best midfielder was stuck RW when Smith and Butt were still together. IF the manager wanted more protection from wingers to the back 4, why didn't he put Smith there?

I think the whole thing has been a bit OTT tbh. People are acting like he's committed assault again and is about to go back to prison. I find it laughable that some have even suggested his psychological complex that makes him always need to the centre of attention. The truth is Barton does care about this football club, yes he certainly isn't the brightest but he has passion and if you took that out of him he wouldn't be the player he is. The Guthrie tackle on Fagan springs to mind, he like Barton was immensely frustrated at the game, the situation we were in and the result and he hit out and let his emotions get the better of him. The exact same thing has happened on Sunday, Barton a player who thinks he can really make a difference is stuck out on the right, the result is a foregone conclusion and he's also losing to a team who are his local rivals, and he's taken it out on the player who has pissed him off the most. I actually feel sorry for Barton this time, he is without doubt a talented footballer and he showed that during the first 45, he's done something silly nobody can deny that but i feel he's being vindicated to the max here. The tackle itself was hardly that bad being 50/50 red, at worst it was pretty reckless challenge, but dangerous? definitely not, he has won the ball 20 years ago he may not have even been booked. From this everyone has over-reacted, the post-game bust-up is hardly an uncommon feature, players and managers have words all the time just like colleagues and managers do in an office, it is after all human nature to disagree. Joey's comments were obviously not the best but let's not forget Shearer himself was hardly a shrinking violet intially calling Barton s***, which got the reaction of s*** manager, s*** tactics if the reports are to be believed. Shearer himself also has to take a portion of the blame albeit a small one. He should have learnt from this, that some players require more care and attention than others and it was hardly a huge mistake but playing Barton RM wasn't wise, because it has obviously led to some of the frustration. He knew Barton thought he could make a difference for th rest of the season and Al even said himself he's itching to get back from what he'd seen in training but then he plays him out of position and it wasn't that hard to foresee that such an eager player wouldn't react well to being played in a position where he can't do much. It must be something about the area because Rooney used to be the same when he played in midfield. It's a shame really because Barton is a loss in footballing terms, i do have a sneaky feeling he will be a Newcastle player next season, because people will hopefully realise this has been a mass dramatisation once the dust has settled but because a fit and happy Joey Barton could be a potentially excellent player.

Ironically i thought he got better as the game went on. First 10 mins he was nervy but after that he seemed to settle a lot. I was actually impressed in some bits particularly with some good aggressive tackles etc.

It was only a yellow IMO but it's a shame because Joey was looking good in attack while playing AM, I can see why Al put him RM but I don't agree with it. I think a lot of Joey's frustration came from being stuck out there.

Why do we never play football on the floor anymore?

I hope to god Smith and Butt don't play together next week or ever again. Why cn't managers see that Butt is such a liability? and pairing him with Smith? absolutely no attacking nous and no defensive cover, disaster.