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In reality however, it is 7. By that reckoning Ronaldo it's also virtually 4. Or 137.

That would kill his confidence. Well, Im not sure about him, the main reason we got him was because our strikers were going through a s*** patch of form, then all of a sudden Carroll and Loven find form. He won't do in the Premiership and he's not particularly young. Pointless signing imo. EDIT: Came in late and didn't realise he was subbed on for Lovenkrands! Assumed Loven was on the left because of the cross. Sorry Leon!

That would kill his confidence. Well, Im not sure about him, the main reason we got him was because our strikers were going through a s*** patch of form, then all of a sudden Carroll and Loven find form. He won't do in the Premiership and he's not particularly young. Pointless signing imo.

Best off Ranger on for the 2nd half I say. There's been no evidence that Best > Ranger, merely the fact that Best has played more in the Championship.

and lol at Hahnemann wearing a Mastodon t-shirt.

Ibrahimovic is coming across very well on Football Focus.

Good point. Instead of guessing football results (which I invariably get wrong) I'm now going to predict the attendence. 43,256

Would take their newest saggy faced manager off them.

A celebration?

What the hell was Ryan Taylors celebration about?

thirth

I'lll go for Newcastle - Preston

all the refs above 3th divition have to keep logs from officiated games. I can't get that out of my head now. Thirth.

I like the way that (occassionally) he'll look like he is just running away from people chasing him. He isn't particularly going in a certain direction. He just runs. Weird. Love him though

I love Ryan Taylor. He's quality.

We've only had four fouls! AHH! WE'RE GOING DOWN!

What actually happened with Fabulouski?

Guthrie only has to look at the ball for people to claim an assist for him here! Good to hear he is playing well though

I just read ' Nolan is in the best english bar'

And? Do you suggest he slates them? Or just stay quiet when asked a question? Honestly, anything other than praise will get picked up by the press.

Reckon he'd get slaughtered there. Unfortunately your point still stands

Not disagreeing at all as you are right but at times there were 2 or 3 clear options but whoever was dwelling just didn't seem to want to release. I tend to think it is more a mixture of the two which is a horrible predicament. Our players supply little or no movement and the player with the ball has no idea what to do with it.

1. Tosh! He'd have left 4 months later and still have been a hot prospect for Man City or any other team looking to take that next step up. 2. If that be the case then we don't owe him anything either, which is exactly the point being made. 1. It's hard to say that. A relegated teams keeper is never going to look great. Man City were probably the most exciting prospect at that time and any lower table footballer would snap their hands off to play in their first team every week. 2. Do you mean we don't owe him success? I never understood that point. We should be aiming for success and I'm sure he was told many, many times that the club was making 'huge strides to becoming regular european challengers' and then signing nicky butt, geremi and all the crap that plagued our team. 1. Quite the contrary imo, everyone in the PL knew Given's quality and would have known he'd either want out, or would be sold at a reduced price. Look at what happened at West Ham and Leeds for example 2. I mean that we don't owe him adulation, full respect, or for some even the time of day. 1. Fair point. Although it depends on whether he thought he should go to arguably the best club in the league that didn't already have a quality keeper before they got someone else. If he waited he could have ended up at a Wigan or a Bolton. 2. Again fair enough. I'm a great fan of his and how he was consistently brilliant between the sticks for us through a lot of good times. Whatever anyone here says I'm sure it was a hard decision for him to make after all his service but it was the right decision imo. At that point I watched him play for us with sadness as he tried to keep us in the games while the rest of the team were absolutely shocking. I can uderstand peoples frustration towards him but it needs to be viewed from both sides.

1. Tosh! He'd have left 4 months later and still have been a hot prospect for Man City or any other team looking to take that next step up. 2. If that be the case then we don't owe him anything either, which is exactly the point being made. 1. It's hard to say that. A relegated teams keeper is never going to look great. Man City were probably the most exciting prospect at that time and any lower table footballer would snap their hands off to play in their first team every week. 2. Do you mean we don't owe him success? I never understood that point. We should be aiming for success and I'm sure he was told many, many times that the club was making 'huge strides to becoming regular european challengers' and then signing nicky butt, geremi and all the crap that plagued our team.

Without wanting to start up an old debate, should we not keep Carroll on? Carroll and Best?