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Either, they both win plenty. They do, but i think its a fair bet to say that if Mourhino was in charge for a decade, he would of won more than Wenger in the saem decade. Thats my opinion anyway. But anyway, the question is basically would you sacrifice a little success for a lot of style?

I must be honest, I really don't know how to answer a question like this. Particularly as Arsenal have been more successful than Chelsea in the last decade. Im glad you didnt slate it, im not sure either. True they have been more successful but havent had the "clinicalness" that Chelsea have. ie consecutive titles. If you ask me, Chelsea at there best were superior to Arsenal at there best. Ok, not superior but better.

This might sound like a stupid question, but what would fans rather see: us performing solidly and efficiently like Chelsea winning a fair amount, or with style and verve, like Arsenal but not winning as much?

That still needs a willing buyer at that price though. As a private asset if all someone is willing to pay is £1 then thats what its worth. True, but i think its fair to say that it'll now be worth the figure i quoted. Obviosuly technically your're absolutely correct. In the end he's put £250 of his own money into the club to show his intentions, could quite easily of made the club pay it off its self. Deserves gratitude for putting our financial future at ease, i appreciate him for that reason alone.

To be fair, i didnt think with Allardyce at the helm we would of spent much, but if a new manager gets appoonte before the end, imagine big funds will be released in order to make the squad his own.

On what basis? The shares at purchase were £140m and are now I guess not quoted. The club is worth whatever figure he wants to sell it for. If someone wants to pay £250m then fair enough but I can't see it happening which is why he has to expand it by being successful. If we were bought for £140m, and has absolved £100m of debts, wouldnt that be added to the value of the club? A high percentage of that £100m was for stadium debts, which now belongs to us outright, so wouldnt that asset be added to the value? yes and no..... now the only value is what someone else will pay for it Which would surely start at the approximate value that has been invested into the club to acquire it in its debt free state? Maybe?

On what basis? The shares at purchase were £140m and are now I guess not quoted. The club is worth whatever figure he wants to sell it for. If someone wants to pay £250m then fair enough but I can't see it happening which is why he has to expand it by being successful. If we were bought for £140m, and has absolved £100m of debts, wouldnt that be added to the value of the club? A high percentage of that £100m was for stadium debts, which now belongs to us outright, so wouldnt that asset be added to the value?

Shearer? Here's how I feel about Shearer ... I think he would be a good manager but as far as buying players goes I think he would struggle massively. I think Shearer would be the sort to always go after Brits. Shearer would have bought someone like Smith too. Does he really have the knowledge of world football that will allow us to get the best players we possibly could to the club? That would be my biggest worry. Hasnt exactly got contacts either, would take ages for him to set up a world wide scout system. The head of scouting Paul Montgomery is one of the most respected club scouts in Europe & is putting a team scouts georpahically spread across UK & Europe. Not one of Allardyces men is he? I think he may of been brought back to the club by Sam but he is not what I would class as a Sam man. He is geordie & has worked for us underJim Smith & Bobby Robson, he also worked for former Newcastle captian & manager Glenn Roeder at West Ham. Good enough for me. Here is old interview with him http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/news/2003/10/07/face-to-face--paul-montgomery-50081-13489332/ Got me at "rejected Barcelona"

yep top post, hopefully we can chalk down the allardyce and redknapp episodes to inexperience. what's important is that we move on from it. re the timing of allardyces sacking.........what was dubious or dodgy about it. could we really be any worse without a manager than we have been the last few months with a manager ? the only problem should be " should he have gone a week or two earlier?" Well, aye - he should have gone well before Xmas IMO...or otherwise they should have seen what giving him the full benefit of a transfer window could do...but what's done is done, and it's all probably for the best. I think he deserved those games against Wigan, Derby, Brum and Fulham to show his mettle. He failed. On the flip side, sack him post window, the new man hasn't got any time to buy and they also run the risk of the mongs on Fleet Street saying "they've sacked him because he got beat off Man Utd and Arsenal (twice)." The more I think about it, if they weren't going to keep him until the summer, this is the only time they could have done it. Said this earlier, there wasnt really any other more suitable time to sack him, maybe bignning of Jan but that would still of impeded thewindow.

To be fair to S.S.R the club is now worth approx £250m now. This is when we are at our lowest. It is his asset and if he wanted to could quite easily make a substatial profit on the club. It would of been in his long term interest not to rob the club of resources by owing to external creditors. interst is after all dead money. The club can now be supported enitrely on its income although by adding his own financial input will help progress the club and add further value to the club with big players, bigger assets.

Shearer? Here's how I feel about Shearer ... I think he would be a good manager but as far as buying players goes I think he would struggle massively. I think Shearer would be the sort to always go after Brits. Shearer would have bought someone like Smith too. Does he really have the knowledge of world football that will allow us to get the best players we possibly could to the club? That would be my biggest worry. Hasnt exactly got contacts either, would take ages for him to set up a world wide scout system. The head of scouting Paul Montgomery is one of the most respected club scouts in Europe & is putting a team scouts georpahically spread across UK & Europe. Not one of Allardyces men is he? I think he may of been brought back to the club by Sam but he is not what I would class as a Sam man. He is geordie & has worked for us underJim Smith & Bobby Robson, he also worked for former Newcastle captian & manager Glenn Roeder at West Ham. Good enough for me.

How can you be quite so spell-bindingly naiive? I think he has a point to be fair, in the end its the best thing to do for him and the club, but irrespective he deserves credit for it anyway.

Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Scolari, all reknowned for there attacking style. Also big big targets. Rijkaard? I dunno there are options, but to go to Redknapp so soon before anyone else seems odd to me. ancelotti?? muyst be one of the most conservative managers around, milan are the wingless wonders. scolari was more famed for his defensive, aggressive, brutal football in brazil, why he earned the sobriquet "big phil", ie brazilian equivalent to "big sam" (which a few reporters did call him a few years ago) plus he played a million defensive midfielders for brazil in 2002. van gaal i'll give you. i wonder if ashley might "park his tanks" on shinawatra's lawn and make a cheeky bid for sven... Ancelotti plays some nice football, hardly can be called defensive. Scolari hasnt been defensive with Portugal either. I cant see us going for Sven, absolutely no reason whatsoever tocome to be fair. Van Gaal will be too far off the Radar for Ash me thinks, i genuinely have no idea who we'll go for. I genuinely think that Ashley would be happy to pay whatever dollar for attacking players, it might e the thing that would encourge a manager to adapt his style.

Shearer? Here's how I feel about Shearer ... I think he would be a good manager but as far as buying players goes I think he would struggle massively. I think Shearer would be the sort to always go after Brits. Shearer would have bought someone like Smith too. Does he really have the knowledge of world football that will allow us to get the best players we possibly could to the club? That would be my biggest worry. Hasnt exactly got contacts either, would take ages for him to set up a world wide scout system. The head of scouting Paul Montgomery is one of the most respected club scouts in Europe & is putting a team scouts georpahically spread across UK & Europe. Not one of Allardyces men is he?

Shearer? Here's how I feel about Shearer ... I think he would be a good manager but as far as buying players goes I think he would struggle massively. I think Shearer would be the sort to always go after Brits. Shearer would have bought someone like Smith too. Does he really have the knowledge of world football that will allow us to get the best players we possibly could to the club? That would be my biggest worry. Hasnt exactly got contacts either, would take ages for him to set up a world wide scout system.

Hguhes isnt exactly all out attack and he's being mentioned, to be fair, i can see Keegan and Shearer being implemented as well.

Van Gaal. They can't defend for s*** though Wullie - talking about debts; Man United still owe over £600m for the two loans they took out (from an American bank and an American company, so our country don't even benefit from it). They announce this week that they're once again the richest club in England (although only because of turnover). I think our financial future looks far rosier than theirs, despite their massive assets. 3rd richest club in england?

Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Scolari, all reknowned for there attacking style. Also big big targets. Rijkaard? I dunno there are options, but to go to Redknapp so soon before anyone else seems odd to me.

i just find it strange that he went for harry? I can see the merits of it, he has played attacking football whenever he can, and with a bigger budget has done quite well, with a huge budgets who's to say what he's capable of. Like i said earlier, Harry reminds me hell of a lot like Keegan, motivator attack minded, plucks good quality improts from nowhere etc....

He seems like a good option, id like to see Joachim Lowe as well. Seems to be doing well with Deustchland. I think we can forget about defensive minded targets.

Brought butterflies to my stomach. I think its clear he's dsperate to invest. I just wish he would get this appointment right, something tells me that the defensive minded managers, like mourhino et al, wont be on the list.

Are there actually many other British based managers who may be approached? Can anyone tink of any managers who may be on Morts list, obviously not stupid ones like Ronnie Moore, but ones in the same brcket as Redknapp. The 3/4 i can think of are Hughes, Shearer, Keegan and Jol. Now its already been intimated that nationality isnt an issue so isnt it likely that we will be looking abroad as well?

Keegan was a fantastic motivator, and had a philophsy which sits perfectly with the 'Geordie way of playing football' to be honest i dont want them here. Keegan is a legend, no doubt but i just cant see them being the ones who will eventually lead us onto greater things. Do they have the tactical know how, can they change a game with there substituions. Do they have a modern look to football. From what i gather football is an obsession with all the most successful managers, do i think Shearer and Keegan will afford the same level of obsession. No Basing this on absolutely nothing, but shearer strikes me as one of those "get stuck in" type of managers.

To be honest, i think he has legend written all over him. He's superb, cannot find a single fault in his game, think the hole "goes missing in big games" is bollocks if you ask me. 22 goals already is an unreal stat. I think he'll be a success whereever he goes.

There are a fair few who have said they want to come to the premierhship, its only the Liverpool job which looks like it will be availbale and appealing to big managers, the next one from that is ours, Houllier Lippi Van Gaal Scolari Mourihno (said he wants to come back sooner or later) Hitzfeld Capello They are all managers in recent times who have said they would like to come to the premiership, not saying that they would come now but just saying the names are out there. p.s Im aware of some of the peoples circumstances, just reiterating that its an appealing league which top class managers want to come to. The fact is is that managers want to manage in this league, its become an ambtions for a lot of managers becuase of the hype and money around the premiership nowadays. If you ask me if it were possilble for a top class foriegn manager to be appointed for nufc, despite todays performance id still say yes because the oppurtunity to manage one fo the big big clubs is becoming rarer and rarer so its a case of the next best thing. Which without a shadow of a doubt is us.