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This is crazy:

Charnley was actually a genius and introduced the world’s first sell-on clause in perpetuity.

The League Cup is only a Conference League spot, right? I'm torn on whether that's worth watching Liverpool win something. Let's just win the FA Cup and qualify for the Europa League. Two problems solved at once.

How long do some people still have on the long-term season ticket deals and what is the price difference between those and current prices? Curious re: discussions around matchday revenue.

I'm reserving judgement until the start of next season. I'd like to see the details from the 22/23 accounts and then also what we announce leading into next season. It's possible we have a lot of stuff lined up on top of Adidas.

Quoting this from the last page because it should be required reading before any actual or hypothetical complaining about Burn vs. Tino.

That has to be fake. https://x.com/NoyesNataliex/status/1745111022501814645?s=20 https://x.com/NoyesNataliex/status/1745094972649472161?s=20

Good post and the bolded bit is especially important. There are definitely things to dislike about FFP, but the general idea of it is a good one. Clubs shouldn't be left in ruin when some rich owner gets bored or takes things too far. The various financial restrictions imposed by the Premier League and UEFA are a bit different, but they are all tied to the same critical things: revenue. Growing that is the path to sustained success and we are starting incredibly far behind. Man United, Spurs, and Arsenal all generate over £100m in matchday revenue. Man City, Liverpool, and Chelsea are all in the £70-85m range. In our last published accounts (21/22) we were under £30m. Even Villa, in the same time period with 10k less capacity, were almost £10m more. This is why 1) the stadium needs to be expanded 2) ticket prices are going to go up (unfortunately) and 3) corporate / high priced seating really needs to be increased. This category has a ceiling though - Man Utd's matchday revenue today is basically the same as it was more than a decade ago. The next big bucket is commercial revenue. In our 21/22 accounts our commercial revenue was less than half of what Manchester United brought in in 2009. The Adidas and Sela deals are big, but that still leaves us £150-200m+ per year behind the Big 6. There are many options to explore here and I'm sure we're looking at everything, but getting to the figures the others generate requires a global footprint (see City Football Group), global partnerships (see Spurs and the NFL), and, more than anything, a global brand. That takes both consistent success and time. And then there's player sales. Manchester City have brought in £330m in sales in the last 5 years to put on top of massive commercial growth and huge broadcasting income. Chelsea basically fund their whole operation this way. Ideally this would be led by the sales of good, non-elite academy players and a never-ending pipeline of Minteh type loan > sales. But, in the near to medium term, it's almost certainly going to have to include what Spurs did and that's bringing in huge fees for their best players. Sometimes that will work out great and other times we'll struggle to replace them. Success is not going to be a straight line and we may be in one of the more frustrating periods. We broke into the Champions League, but there shouldn't be any expectation of being in it every year. Frankly, no one other than City (and we'll see post-Guardiola) can have that expectation anymore. Even before we got involved there were six clubs for four spots. We're trying to join that group along with Villa, who appear to be on a good path. Even if England consistently gets a 5th place we're probably looking at three clubs being left out each season who feel they should be in there. No one is going to be able to rely on the massive Champions League revenue, which makes all of the above even more important.

Honestly prefer this than the Solanke link being true. There's a number of reasons it doesn't make sense and it's mostly nothing to do with the specific player.

I don't agree with what you said. I think we are putting every penny we can into action. Without trying to go through all the details of revenue and spending, I think you can get a good picture of where we sit with FFP just by how we structured the Hall move. Add that to the fact we made basically the bare minimum in the Champions League and we're on course for less PL money than last season (which we probably expected). There just won't be a lot there. If your problem is with how we spent our money in the summer then fair enough. But that's not the same thing as "sitting on our hands."

Maybe you didn’t mean it this way, but “sitting on our hands” makes it sound like we’re not trying.

Their deal better not be worth more than ours considering their owner owns 7% of Adidas. FMV and all that.

Straight swap for Saka or get lost. (Isak would score buckets of goals in that Arsenal team)

On the certain clubs part, Ashworth said this when asked about it a couple months ago: That's enough confirmation to me that it at least doesn't apply to everyone. It could certainly include PSG, but we don't know. As for the timing, there have been some reports it begins in the summer.

- Starts in summer - Only applies to certain clubs - They aren’t meeting release clause

I’m ok with these feel good extensions if we do it at much reduced wages. Not £2m plus. And I seriously hope we don’t bring Krafth back unless it’s with the intent to sell him if we think there’s a market. Trippier / Tino / Burn / Hall / Targett is more than enough at FB and he’s on way too much money.

I fear for us if this is Longstaff - Bruno - Miley.

I was thinking the same. Absolutely ridiculous. The LC semifinalists lose a quarter of their break and then, if they are in the FA Cup 4th round, play four games in 11 days coming out of the "break."

Two of Spurs, City, Villa, and Chelsea to be out though. Two of Wolves, Brentford, West Ham, and Forest also will be out. If we can win this we'll be staring a potentially nice 5th round tie (or Liverpool away).

Could be worse obviously, but how very lame.

Maidstone home or away would be incredible.

Someone else (like Kanji) who sat through Ashley, etc. should have gotten this role, but the ticket thing is almost certainly overblown. She's probably paying whatever necessary to brokers to get tickets. She's not, at least directly, taking tickets off those with loyalty points.

The wages are what matter for a lot of these. For example, Fraser on £2.1m (not sure how much Southampton are covering). Even if we sell no one in January, we have the following (potentially) coming off the books at the end of June: - Krafth: £2.86m - Ritchie: £2.34m - Hendrick: £2.10m - Dummett: £1.82m - Manquillo: £1.82m While that might not seem like a ton, just those five account for about 6-10% of our wage bill and they are, for the most part, entirely inconsequential to our performance. I didn't include Lascelles as my assumption is we'll extend him. There's also Karius and Gillespie on ~£500k each. Fraser and Lewis both go through 24-25 (that's another £4.1m combined). I don't know what we'll do this January, but I'm pretty hopeful that the next three windows (Summer '24, January '25, Summer '25) will be lively. Adidas, Sela, new revenue streams, 21/22 out of the three year period, a likely player sale or two, and these burdensome wages starting to disappear.

We should let him go for nothing if they'll take on his wages.

I think Man City are going to cruise to the title in the second half of the season. But hopefully it starts after this.