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That's right, but at present our league position is very precarious ans Howe is doing what is getting him results AND performances. Folk complaining that certain stats and facts and figures and what not are being used simply to shoe-horn a better player in the side that presently - we're trying to understand how he best fits or the system that best fits him. Why would we continue down that though when we are say 12th and not getting results? Folk are just desperate to have the better player in and not the best team (for now) purely cause they don't like/rate Longstaff and do like/rate Tonali and rightly - folknare saying "we need points irrespective of which players play". We have been finding said points by starting the whole 11s we have been recently.

We may have done. We may also not have done. We won't ever know.

Rightly so. Hall wasn't ready defensively.

Funny that isn't it. Howe knows best...

They're not meaningless. They tell some of the story. I'm not a statto either but I care about Newcastle winning over Tonali starting. If that means we use him to make the impact which he is capable of over Longstaff whom I suspect we'd all argue isn't as capable of, then I back Howe's decision and at present that is to start Sean Longstaff.

We can if we win games...

But he did, and we won the next game. So was Howe wrong?

Unfair or not. We're here to win games...

Why do this when we're winning and finally finding performances and results though? This time will come. When Longstaff (or Bruno) don't perform and Howe rightly makes the switch.

It's funny though - I can just see the scenario whereby we continue to start Tonali and for - whatever reason - we don't get results. Fans turn to Howe - "He cannot find a system for his best players", "he is incapable of managing big names and egos", etc. etc. He does that and gets results and folk then complain the better and favourite players don't start. Last time I checked we support Newcastle United and not Sandro Tonali...

I think the issue here is the perception that Tonali (to some) is seemingly untouchable and wonderful and Longstaff is the devil reincarnated despite doing far more in his role at NUFC than Tonali (to date). I could be wrong - but don't think I've seen one person (myself included) argue Longstaff is the better player. Only the suggestion that we pick up results when Longstaff Starts which is absolutely accurate. Now, folk arent saying we have won more points with Barnes on the pitch than Gordon or nowt are they - to my knowledge. I think its somewhat accepted that Barnes is a great impact player for us (off the bench). You could apply the same theory to Tonali (theoretically) albeit the difference is Gordon is arguably better than the benched option and in the other instance the benched player is the better of the two. As I've previously said - they (Longstaff and Tonali) can coexist though. You have a squad and not a first 11 for that very reason. Different players and qualities and systems to break down the opposition or simply contain them. They can both be good for NUFC in different roles and systems. Naturally Howe has found this for Longstaff but needs time to understand how Tonali 'fits' best which may be an evolution of our play and system. Hopefully it is as we should be looking to continuously improve as should any successful business. However, there is a lot to be said for stability. We're picking up (much needed!!) points in a tight league at present following some degree of rotation and tinkering. Now folk seemingly want to risk that for the sake of squeezing a better player in the first 11. Frankly, I find that mad.

He's worth £81m. Howay.

Of course you can compare them - just the incessant desire to downplay Sean Longstaff is absolutely tiresome. There appears to be folk who had their concerns about Longstaff starting ahead of Tonali who are now saying "Yeah - we are performing and so is Longstaff and we're getting wins". Hats off to these folk for not being so stubborn and set in their ways. There are others absolutely hell bent on him being dropped for Tonali - who is clearly a more talented footballer but to date hasn't quite connected in the existing system and roles deployed. That's not to say he is a bad signing, doesn't fit our system or anything. It will take time and work with him to fine tune the maximum we can get out of him. After a prolonged period of time then perhaps he is a bad singing but he's only had like 10/15games for us and not even full games. I'm positive we can get the best out of him - whether that be in the existing system or an alternative/evolution of it. FWIW - at the start of the season I identified Hall as being our defensive weak link - he's now solid as a rock. I just never understand this position folk seem to have that their opinion is 'locked in'. Suppose it would absolutely make sense for us to start a side that isn't getting results versus a one that is...wouldn't it...

I really hope there was a football pitch sized spirit level used to verify this as I immediately imagined.

Just the 17 years and 107 days... Oh. Dear God.

Just on this - Tonali has statistically got the least data to go off with regards to starts and performances in the Newcastle United squad. So surely that just adds weight to Longstaff starting if you wanna go off that? Anyways, I'm not sure I get the whole Tonali versus Longstaff thing being dragged on when we're achieving results and also performing. Don't think we have the luxury of tinkering to see if we can reach a new (and even better) levels just yet. Just stick with what's working.

Wasn't there a stat last week about Longstaff, Bruno, Willock and Joelinton being unbeaten in like 19 starts together or something? It is okay to like both Sandro and Longstaff yi kna chaps. They can coexist.

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Could probably buy the whole football club for £125m let alone 6 of their players....and have plenty change.

I mean they have been a lot better in more recent years. Think it just took a while for them to get the whole flags thing...and of course...that's just my opinion

Cheers mate that makes me feel much better

Definitely gotta be nailed on for "most tagged poster 2024" on the yearly awards like with all these requests

Collab'...I like it. Only if they get me one of those bastard hoodies everyone but me seems to have.