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As a resident in Killingworth it'd be double cush for me like.

I mean not entirely accurate but appreciated the humour (and point of this post)

Mike Ashley was a massive spatula. Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest when he was being discussed.

Eddie Howes Black and White Army.

It isn't I agree. But even with existing rules in place it is about "the rich" remaining "the rich" without the ability to be challenged, albeit in spending power not money in the bank. A free for all is better than a closed shop, so to speak.

This is pretty much as simple as it can be said (to my understanding) and you're absolutely right. What a peculiar outlook on sport these clubs are taking... Imagine in the film Gladiator when Maximus Decimus is stabbed before his fight with the caesar and he just comes out and says "You will not be entertained" and lies on the floor praying for a chance to be in the next battle. Howay man.

Ah okay - I thought you were directing something at me personally about my reaction(s) Yeah - mind - the fact our takeover went through in the end also suggested foul play or some degree of jnfluence/corruption too. I'm unsure if my moral compass is now broken tbh. English football has been and continues to be, pulled apart by dementors.

Scores the winner at Wembley when he returns.

Apologies for losing some chronology/logic here but I'm going to start with your final point... Why not knock all buildings down then in the end? All buildings can be replaced with an evolution of something better in time? I just don't agree with that. Houses are just houses but that is far different from making homes and this (St James' Park) is home to so many people across the generations. It isn't just a building - it's a castle or cathedral at the top of the hill, in the heart of the city and a place of religious pilgrimage or simply fortitude for people of this city. The increased capacity split is anyone's game - it's okay saying we get 30k more seats but how many will be corporate and how will this impact the atmosphere? Will it be of significant financial gain for us to keep up or as intended - to get ahead? It is fair and right to suggest that staying at SJP absolutely wouldn't generate the same revenue though. Acoustics and singing sections and actual consultation with fans is imperative for them get this right otherwise we will have a soulless bowl of silence and with that - the record we have at home more than likely perish. Ticketing issues are just that, they are obviously compounded by the supply and demand factor (and heavily so if Stiflers figures are correct). However, they've repeatedly "consulted" fans and then gone with what they wanted and it's gone to shit loads of times as a result. Maybe if they fixed some of these issues then youngsters would have the opportunity to attend.

I am sure there things that can be done to the existing stadium to allow for thing such as concerts tk eb more accessible. I am already aware of some the issues following work on previous concerts. I just don't have faith in this multi-billion pound concept at present in all honesty. A lot of the PR work done with fans seems like lip service to me and whilst it's a welcome change from no communication a lot seems like an exercise in placating the fans enough for them to just crack on with what they were actually going to do anyways. I don't really get anyone singing about how "we got our club back" when we supposedly did after the takeover and this is the reason why. It's not "our club back" it's a new version of it. I'm not convinced by any of it. My heart rules my head on NUFC and my heart tells me this won't be the dream ticket to success nor will it be the continuation/evolution that folk think. We're probably better off investing in fucking the PL over and removing unlawful rules more than anything else at present. Then maybe we can knvest what we like where it matters - on the pitch. I will happily eat my words in the future of they do a good job of it but na, presently it's just not for me.

Fair enough - I just question this popularity of the game to be honest. Tin hat here but I feel that a lot of this additional popularity is as spectators or folk looking for sporting entertainment as opposed to supporters. I mean they're entitled to be entertained too. It's just going away from what football is for me. If the PL is going to continue in this way then it needs a real European style intervention whereby full stands are for singers and chanters and tifo displays and all that jazz and clubs are rightly represented by those singing for a clubs heritage and history and what it means not some jonny come lately who has bow decided they might take in a nice game at NUFC before the "support" the next "big thing" in a few years when we take a down turn. I'm really not arsed about catering for those types tbh. But you are right - it is the financial reality.

But the cost to cover expansion would be less. So whilst it may be more a certainty it (the price hike) may also be less in value. I suppose you could argue that the increase in corporate seats and capacity would offset said price hike to make them similar but in all honesty, I doubt it.

Sorry...not sure how you mean?

Perhaps I am just very naive

I just don't get how an organisation can pass an illegal ruling anyways. I'm trying to think of an equivalent to emphasise it but in all honesty struggling. Like if it is well known (as this is) then surely The FA (or whoever) say "You cannot pass this ruling" and thus the vote is voided/not even undertaken? Apologies in advance if I am being a bit thick.

Sorry but how can a potentially illegal solution be voted through? (I may be missing something fairly important here... )

As always it's all about how it is done and where, when, etc.

This is the issue for me. No one knows enough. If they literally flipped the stadium like Bilbao (?) And turned the Leazes end 180° I'd probably be entirely for it. But moving it up into the Town Moor or worse, elsewhere is not something I'd like.

I was too and 100% understand this. However, that is the risk we took. I lost all my loyalty points (around 80) and cannot get to away games. I feel for you (and others like you) but I don't think we need say 20/30k increased capacity to accommodate those folk.

In your previous point you were alluding to the fact that fans won't support Newcastle if they cannot get to their games. I think whilst that may be somewhat correct, it is not the largest driving factor for why fans won't support Newcastle. If we're a good team who play good football - that is what will ultimately drive people to support us. I'd be surprised if most folk in Newcastle (and it's surrounding areas) choose not to support Newcastle, especially if we're a good side. Most Man United fans globally will probably only ever once get to Old Trafford but thy exist in what is most likely their hundreds of thousands (if not millions) because they were the dominant force of English football. Man City probably now has grown its support for the same reason. Again, appreciate that adds weight to increasing stadium size and increasing revenue to become the financial egg that the good-football chicken is hatched from. However, it is only the case because of FFP and PSR etc. Why invest billions(?) On a new stadium that it would take decades to see a return on if it was just for a return on national PR by having the best footballing side available/dominance in a sporting field? They could simply spend that money on better training facilities, staff and players (were there to be no FFP, etc.). St James' Park may not have the capacity to play host to every Newcastle fan or enough that would be deemed satisfactory, you're right - we can agree. However, what about other factors? What about the fact that ticket prices will likely shoot up to help pay for it and boost revenue (to achieve a higher FFP/PSR) capability? Thus meaning some fans are priced out. What about if they do not consider standing or singing sections to ensure there is a good atmosphere? What about if they don't consider the acoustics of the stadium? What about if most the additional capacity is corporate? What about if it's a big Green and White Stadium and called the Aramco Arena with little link to Newcastle's history? What about the loss of activity in the town centre of it relocated a sufficient distance out? People may want this new American kind of style entertainment with light shows and 5 star meals available and all that jazz but it's not for me. I don't want my ticket price going up and the atmosphere being lost and ultimately part of the soul that is Newcastle United so that potentially an extra 10/20k fans can have a day out. We can (most likely) increase the capacity at SJP (for those who'd like to regularly attend) without the need for a relocation of the stadium, and avoid much of the above. Of course - in my opinion.

Appreciate your point but not for me. We will have fans if we play good football. The rules make us move stadium to enable us to invest and utilise revenue to then enable us to play better football through increased "natural" revenue. Can build seats but folk won't come unless we play attractive football and unless tickets are priced fairly. Next after the stadium move will be a ticket price hike to pay for it.

Just find it all a bit shit tbh PSR supposed to protect clubs in communities but foreign money tearing existing heritage away in favour of revenue to overcome rules that are currently being proven to be a pile of shite. Working man's game my arse.

Moving stadium is minging unless it literally backs onto the existing one. That is all.

Ultimately - this was all a ploy from the pre-existing elite to stop Newcastle United dead in its tracks when seemingly there was political pressure to accept our takeover from Saudi owners. It's minging really. The Premier League is now being hung out to dry because of its incompetent self-governance and greed and the can is kicked so far down the road by government and governing bodies that ultimately it has (or should have) been a ticking time bomb for the PL who've failed to get themselves in order. The "pre-existing elite" absolutely rule the roost and it's (the PL) been proven to not only be a negligent, greedy and inept organisation but a corrupt one too. There won't be any back tracking of pressure to receive Saudi money. However, the FA should and can step in (as I understand) to either remove or entirely rebuild the Premier League as an organisation that is fit for purpose. For me it has to be the former, with any new "marketing" of the league. If they want to protect investment from sponsors and continue the whole "best league in the world" spiel. Ultimately, it has to be competitive though for that to remain - and so those clubs need brought into check to realise they cannot have a closed shop.