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I haven't done anything to piss off anyone else to get my own way. On the other hand, I don't blame those who have, because at least it's making their views known/heard. I'm not saying it's right, but I understand why they do it.

Also good post Matty, Tim and ToonPete.

Is it a case of offering that or us taking that though? I know under Ashley we have a tendancy to ask for smaller allocations at most away games so 3000 may just be what he wants? Also this is no doubt a new directive so hasnt affected previous games. Sure Man Utd we olny asked for 1800 or something last season. As for Sunderland.......well even toonultra can work out why that was only 2600 allocation this year Nah mate I checked before I posted, 3k is the allocation at Arsenal & Man United. Wasn't the reduced allocation at Sunderland for segregation? There was a big block of seats left empty that were used up last time, although I wouldn't be surprised if it was cut for standing because I've met the bloke from Sunderland council who's behind such measures. This whole thread has made me depressed if I'm honest, it took years for the progression from a handfull stood in the Leazes L7 all the way up to 3k in the corner. I go to the match for the atmosphere, take that away and I'd rather just watch it on tv as opposed to paying money I can't afford to have a matchday experience that I'd actually hate. I didn't renew because what seems to be happening at home games is exactly what I expected. I wish I was born 20 or so years earlier Another good post Pav. Totally agree. Again, I've kept going because I love to see us play and I love the social aspect. However, my experience against Fulham was everything I hate about football with regards to the crowd. There was 20 or so lads in that corner doing all they could to generate an atmosphere and people either complained that it was the same songs, or simply complained that they were standing (despite the fact it probably didn't even effect them). I'm of the opinion that the vast majority who were moved from L7 are behaved and despite wanting to stand, most will sit down if asked to. A large problem occurs though when the members of the South East corner cannot even be polite with someone who effectively hasn't done owt wrong. As previously stated I was told to "sit the fuck down" by a fellow fan, and that completely fucked me off. I'm willing to sit if I'm blocking someones view and they politely ask me to sit down, but where I can, I'll stand. I have no problem finding a middle ground, i.e. having a section which could stand and sing and not interupt anyones elses view (which we had thanks to Toon Ultras imo). However this has been removed simply to piss fans off. It's all it is and to think otherwise is just daft. The family enclosure wasn't ever full unless it wa your big games and the away fans only sell out like 5 or 6 times a season. Aside from that, I'd take a guess that most of Level 7 'singing section' were probably over the age of 21 and/or were more likely to move where they thought the atmosphere would next be rather than stay there. Fulham was a shit attendance by our standards. Ashley won't make more money from moving fans around, in fact he'll make less. He's pissed too many people off and made too much of a mockery of our club, so he's losing people through the gate, it's as simple as that. He's clearly done the 10year deal to appease the vast majority of fans, whilst he pissed off those from Level 7. Seems to me it was a nice distraction away from fucking off the Level 7ers. Regardless of your opinion of the lads and lasses who were up there - we've been shat on from a great height and I'm pretty certain most could agree with that. To be charged more for somewhere you don't want to sit and then not put people in their next choice of available seat is a fucking disgrace. To be honest, I feel there's been a total lack of support for us 'fellow fans' from the rest of the ground so forgive me for getting aggetated at the drop of a hat. Seems to me like the 'kids' who wanna go and enjoy an atmosphere that those 'adults' have experienced, are being patronised and ignored. I'm not saying we should block peoples views or argue with one another, but these 'kids' have every right to be pissed off. No one listens to a minority unless they act out, so they're acting out. Whilst I don't condone it - like those riots a few week back, no-one gave a fuck until the Afro-Caribbean youths went looting and all of a sudden big race issues and unemployment became #1 on the agenda. As football fans, those in level 7 are feffectively doing the same. Again, I don't agree with how some go about it, but the vast majority are going about it the RIGHT way, and still get no support or respect from fellow fans and ultimately are being ignored. So why shouldn't we be pissed off?

FWIW - No I don't agree with Old women getting abuse either, as I'm sure 99% of those from Level 7 would agree. What's to say these people who abused the woman were the ones that were moved from Level 7 anyway? Assumptions made by fellow fans and the media alike. Thanks for showing respect the other way - thanks a lot.

I'm still glad I renewed, but I agree with this completely. What I find amazing is that stewards can sit on the stairs blocking the exits but you can't even stretch you leg out there. Another thing, the people who complain about those standing and singing because they 'can't see the game' tend to be the same fuckers who get there 5minutes late, leaves 5minutes early for coffee at half time, and leave 10minutes before the final whistle. Not only that, but when they do so, a whole row has to stand and block the peoples view behind. There's a whole load of contradiction that goes on with this rule. It's a fucking disgrace. At the Fulham game, I was stood to begin with as people in front and behind were. I got told from behind ten minutes in "Sit the fuck down man" is that any respect to have for a fellow fan - I think not. If I knew who it was he rightly would have got verbal abuse. All it would have took was "Can you sit down please mate?" But no I was subject to twattery immediately. There's a complete and utter lack of respect for those who have came from Level 7 and are behaving themselves - so fuck off with your patronising bullshit about how we should respect others. I will be respectful, and have been so far, but the more I get treat like shit by those around me, the more I'll give it back - simple.

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:banana: !!!NEW SIGNING!!! :banana:

We blanaced the books and turned a profit. Its all ok. We dont need a striker, none were avaialble. Aye - I'm glad the moving of my season ticket to somewhere I don't want to sit, for extra cash and the £15 membership for some cheap chat has contributed to the balancing too. Fucking overwhelmed. Disrespectful twats.

Anyone can manipulate the signings to say what they want really. Enrique vs Santon = Enrique Barton and Routledge vs Obertan = Barton and Routledge Barton vs Obertan = Barton Routledge vs Obertan = Obertan Barton vs Abeid = Barton Routledge vs Abeid = Abeid Nolan vs Cabaye = Cabaye (only just though, as both have their individual qualities) Barton vs Cabaye = Cabaye (as above) Routledge vs Cabaye = Cabaye (because he is clearly a better footballer all round) Nolan vs Marvaeux = Nolan (so far) Barton vs Marvaeux = Barton (so far) Routledge vs Marvaeux = Draw (Marvaeux being the more likely winner after more game time) Carroll vs Ba = Carroll (more potential and a Geordie who was number 9. Not quite as injury prone) Carroll plus an International class striker vs Ba = Carroll plus 1 (undoubtedly) International class striker vs Ba = International class striker The release of Kuqi and Campbell leaves us two players down on last season, therefore 2 additional 'squad' players need to be added. It could be argued that Ferguson, Ameobi and Vuckic are all making that step up, so we're arguably stronger again in midfield/up front. In reality though, these players should be fringe players getting loaned out for a year then coming back to the first team set up. Obviously the above is all up for debate. All I'm getting at is that anyone can say such and such was for Cabaye to suit their own argument, but it doesn't make it true. It's not quite that basic. We're in a similar position regarding squad depth as last season, but we had £35million extra. In 7months of knowing what would be required we have been incapable of filling the gaps and inadequacies in our squad. I work in a printers, and if we had a press that kept breaking down it would make sense to buy a new one that runs smoothly...why? Because it improves customer satisfaction when jobs get out on time, and therefore more customers come to you for a service. 42,000 last week, plus maybe 3,000 extra away fans (so we'll say 45,000) is 7,000 less than what we could have got. That says something about customer satisfaction to me, when 52,000 attendances were apparent in the Championship and throughout our relegation season. We needed to make additions, not just replacements, end of.

I thought he said 'we'd be no better off'. Why are you believing what he said this time though? He's proven to be a liar, can't believe anything he says etc etc Why are you trying so hard to make this window seem as some big success ? Because it was? Shearmagic you are clearly either delusional or a WUM If it's the former wake up my friend, we are all being taken for a massive ride How was it not a success? We didn't bring a striker in, arguably our only failure. We've improved the midfield and the defence is playing the best it has in a long, long time. Teams with the quality in midfield that we have don't come close to getting relegated, mission successful. Not every team fulfils their goals in the transfer window, there's plenty of other teams that didn't fill positions that they wanted/needed to. We also didn't bring in a centre back so if we lose taylor to injury (usually happens) we have no recognised replacement to slot in there. That was actually a bigger fault than failing to bring in a striker. Defensively, we aren't stronger through personnel, we're stronger through coaching. As a squad we could have been stronger by purchasing said CB, cover at LB and possibly a better RB keeping Simpson for cover (without getting rid of José). In midfield it is yet to be proven that we are stronger, I would like to think we are, but we have simply replaced the players we had. It's probably the one area we have sufficient personnel to cover each position adequately. Nolan and Barton weren't irreplaceable, but they had a lot of qualities and gave us a lot as a squad that goes ignored at the moment. Cabaye has shown his quality so far, but I'm yet to be convinced by Obertan, Abeid and Marveaux. Up front - well from needing one striker when we had Carroll, we went to needing two. Ba is brought in; 2-1=1. We needed a striker and didn't get it. Best is holding up at the moment and good on the lad, but to think a striker wasn't important isn't right. Ultimately, we could have been a far stronger squad than we are, and we could have been in a far stronger position to mount a real challenge for European football. We can all be as optimistic as we like, and believe me I'm usually as optimistic as they come, but at the moment, the reality is that we don't know if our signings will be as good as they are made out to be for us, and they need to prove themselves. A few injuries and we could be well and truly fingered. I'm not saying you're actively making excuses here, but at the end of the day - what does it take for some fans to finally just say that the FCB is wrong. There's always a small minority who defend him and his actions...why? He is clearly a t***, who's hell bent on doing whatever it takes to get his money back, plus more, and pissing on everyone else on the way for his own personal satisfaction.

Yes, certainly in my time - he's an utter c***. In fact, he's not even that useful. He's just a lump of dried up shit.

Okay mate. How about we don't pay all footballers on Christmas too then, and Easter for that matter? How about no-one gets paid when they're not working... He has every right to take part in his religious festival, despite the fact me thinking religion is bollocks.

he;s just curled one off on your castle for that. Well Mammy will have to tell Daddy, and Daddy will be REAL angry...

I'm about to go to sleep but had to give my say in this thread. Here it goes... Ashley, I don't like you - you're a nasty man, and I'm telling my Mammy on you for breaking my castle.

I enjoyed Potters post, I cannot lie. I do think you like a good old nosh on the Ashley sausage Ian, but your perfectly entitled to do so. Gay pride 'nd all that...

Well you would say that wouldn't you, since every f***ing post you make is an apology for the fuckwits running the club. No offence intended of course you spastic. :lol:

Fair enough You can though, I hope, see that they have actually gambled on our long-term future by essentially cutting our feet from under us (Carroll, Nolan, Barton, Enrique) and then hoping the new legs (Obertan, Santon, Ba, Cabaye) keep us in the division over the course of two transfer windows? And it is hoping, really. It isn't even financially prudent. It's gambling on one of the key components of all our revenue streams - Premiership football. We survived the second half of last season (thank you Leon Best, Jonas and Joey Barton, among others! ), but it's conceivable - at the time Carroll was sold we could have sunk like a stone. He was either getting our goals, or flicking them on for Nolan! (Pre-injury). IMO, building on the core we had with lower staff/player turnover could have yielded better football, higher rankings, more money. Ashley/Llambias must be Conservatives though, because they're cutting public services left, right and centre and they don't really give a s*** about the consequences it has as long as it is ostensibly improving the balance sheet (oh look, an exaggerated analogy Apologies for the 'last refuge' gibe. Immature of me to say in retrospect). Yeah, I've said before that the pace of the change in the squad is too fast for my liking. Any change of that pace is a risk. But at the same time I don't think our outgoings are as bad as people think. Carroll obviously a massive blow, but Nolan not so much and he wanted to seek a better deal which we were right not to match. Barton again I would have liked to have kept but he accelerated his own departure with his twitter bollocks. I think the club overreacted a bit, but the principle was right. Enrique I believe was inevitable, he had just got good enough to play for a better team at the same time that his contract was running out. Specifics aside, I agree we are gambling to a certain extent, I just think our chance of relegation is tiny enough to make me not that scared about it. Wood touched. Was reading through the Nolan thread the other day, and it makes for hilarious reading in hindsight. You'd think he was our Ali Dia the way some went on about how s*** he was, and now it seems the majority are furious he was sold. IMO he was the best captain the club has had for many years, and scored some important goals for us over 2 enjoyable season. But he was clearly on a rapid decline physically, and selling him for the maximum fee we could have got was the absolute correct decision from a footballing point of view. Big shame is that maximized fee wasn't re-invested in an obvious way that would show the fans where the club is headed. Overall, the only deal we really got screwed on was Enrique. The AC money was daft, and Barton pushed himself out. Nolan was mint.

Great post, but expect some abuse. I am, I'm waiting for the shepherd fans who stood outside chanting like a loon and cheering at the "us geordies are a special breed of people to come haring after me I agree the summer window has actually been decent, we have bought some seemingly good players, and I certainly dont see us scrapping for relegation. But I do not believe there was ever any intetion to spend anything near 35m, so I do not agree with Pardew/the club saying there was 35m to play with this summer. Get the season ticket sold, basically. And most of all, I do not agree with raping the club of its heritage by, in this instance, removing the iconic Newcastle United sign from the east stand. This tells us the man in charge is, despite being a billionaire, also a class-less low life - prepared to act out his childish two-fingers message to his 'customers' in such a disgusting, pathetic and blatent way, because they dared to react to his lies. That goes beyond football. Nail on head.

FTR Dazza, I disagree with approximately 98.64% of your main post. However, I'm sure the nocternal species will argue this further, as I quite frankly...can...not...be...fiddled.

Great post, but expect some abuse. Yeah!!!! You fucking twat.

i agree.....BUT SIT THE f*** DOWN ! Pardon? Was that you vs Fulham?

Barton's a gob-shite who needs to learn to keep it shut from time to time. Once again though, call me naive but he's just saying what a lot of us are thinking.

Canny chuffed I understood 8 full pages before someone began using long words that I couldn't understand and finance talk that means shit all to me. I think I agree with the sentiments of yours posts though Beren....

and who isn't? This is the point, just because we dont believe everything those players reckoned doesn't mean we dont hate Ashley, i certainly do. It's not even that mate. I believe the players more than I'd believe the fans or journos, as they actually worked for the club, and knew more about the way it was run than anyone else did!! I just don't see the point in bringing it up. Instead of posting quotes from Keegan and Enrique on a message board, protest with your feet! You can sit here pining for King Kev and lapping up everything he says all you want. It won't change the fact that Ashley owns this club. I'd much rather be part of a concerted and organized effort to force the c*** out of the club. Protesting wont work, the people who say protest are as thick as mince (joke not meant to offend) if they cant see that he doesn't care what you say about him. Put aside the hate for him, he couldn't careless if you hate him anyway, comments about, only thing he cares about is money, boycott he'll understand that, a hit to his pocket, he has so much money that this club is just a drop in his empires pond, he isn't going to bankroll the club but he isn't going to let it go under either, if we vote with our feet he will only reduce player numbers/wages to cover it anyway. If protesting was to work we would end up with maybe him gone but a team in league one. I'd rather have him in charge and finish mid-table than hound him out and be left in the lower leagues, shitty deal but i'm hoping if Pardew can do a good job with what he's got then someone might look at us and want to buy us from Ashley. I wont do anything and i mean anything to damage the club i love, i hate the bloke but i love this club more, we cant get rid of him unless he decides he wants to go, thats horrible but a reality no matter what we do, to think otherwise imo is flogging a dead horse, i'm getting behind Pardew and the players, if they do well great, maybe a new owner may come in or the fat idiot might put more funds in, i doubt the latter so i'm hoping for option one. But this club is my love, and i'm not Geordie, and i have only a inkling of what it means to a Geordie, but if the little i've gleamed from following this club my whole life, then it means more than most people could ever appreciate, i just wont damage it. Top post apart from your opening line. Two sides of the argument which I think everyone needs to appreciate. Instead of us all saying those who are happy to sit back and wait are thick, and the ones who are protesting are thick, can we all not at least show some understanding that different people want to show their anger different ways? We should all support one another regardless of our differences. Ultimately, we want rid of the t*** and should applaud anyone who is willing to try and make him f*** off. I agree that people need to actively protest, and they will be taken notice of, that's not to say I'll definitely be out there doing it. Try telling about 1,500 L7 season ticket holders that Ashley doesn't listen to them. It's the only reason he moved us. He moved you but not him, thats a point about protesting to him right there, if i knew protesting would work i would do it too, but it just wont work, he is amazing at being able to just ignore the stuff rightly thrown at him. We all agree he has to go, he is a cancer in our club but it'll be on his terms not ours, i hate to think and say that but imo its the reality of it, i want him out, sure chant at him let him know we hate him and want him gone, but when the lads are out there then i cheer them and leave his boos for him when it doesn't affect the team. He doesn't just ignore the abuse, he obviously listens hence moving us. FWIW, I don't want to come across as being argumentative because I see where you're coming from, but if you save your supporting for in the ground (which I am 100% behind), and you don't protest at any point...just when do you give your boos for Ashley? Your not being argumentative at all mate , thats what this place is for discussion, i to my shame i suppose dont protest, i hate him but when he appears and the boos ring out, i tend to just ignore the whole thing, ignore him i mean not the boos, i dont want to waste my breath on him. I'm 40 and am still in awe every single time i go to a home game, i dont want to waste my time on him, on my trips to my own personal mecca, i get to 6 to 8 home games a season, depending on finance, costs a bit to get up from where i'm from, i want to saviour that, hope you understand where i'm coming from with that. Totally mate - All I'm getting at is that collectively we need to respect and support one another's decisions on how to push him towards the door. You're not the only one, and it happens both ways I just happened to pick on your post, haha! Your right mate both sides have very valid points, sometimes i think things get messed up in written form on here, you type something and it comes across not how you would actually say it to mean, that and the fact this is the most sarcastic and unforgiving blog i've ever been on, in a good way like

To be fair they've openly admitted to lying to us before, haven't they? Besides...plenty of their actions speak far louder than their words. They don't give a f*** about us. Right so they're a bunch of c***s. How does that mean that every f***er that has a bad word to say about them must be right/justified? What am I missing here? Everyone knows that Ashley and co are tossers. But some of the stuff Barton and Nolan ect have come out with is cringeworthy bullshit and it gets eaten up because they're against the evil empire.. No, it's just I have no reason not to believe Nolan and Barton. They might be money-grabbing bastards too but regardless they have done nowt for me to think they're lying in the past. In addition to this, despite they're wrong doings on and off the pitch they seem to have done all in their power to turn this club around this last year or two, hence promotion and the reformation of the squad mentality. The board however are the total opposite - lying, deceiving and then admitting to it in court. Forgive me if I'm naive but I'd place my bets on the players being the ones telling the truth here. Despite whether you think they're money grabbing arseholes - they're the credible ones. The board might be if we a) stay up and b) the books are looking a f***ing fine lot better by the time they're released/the season ends. How about the novel idea that neither are telling the whole truth? Thats my point. Ashley and co being c***s ect (which we all already know), does not equal Barton/Nolan ect being angels. Both parties wanted the best for themselves. I just wish people could talk about what a bunch of pricks Ashley and co are without putting two money grabbing pricks on a pedastal in order to do it. It just really gets on my tits hearing what good hard done by lads Barton and Nolan are when in reality they've also been trying to use the fans to get what they want. Ashley does it, but at least everyone can see it! That's purely a matter of opinion to be fair. It's not like the majority of fans wanted Nolan and/or Barton to go? Therefore, I don't see how we were used to manipulate the move?