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Absolutely. Their only measure is against us, they're seemingly as happy when we lose as when they win - just weird behaviour. Obviously, it's come back to bite them about all these claims that we're not fan funded, etc. They've been naive at best at times in their comments. I'd like to think our responses and banter has been measured as a group. Just been reading that thread on RTG and their patter is utter shite like. Basically anyone who criticises the display is a Mag and should be banned, Wor Flags think they were the first to ever do a Tifo. So37 has been around for 6 years apparently and some of their fans who regularly go to football matches around Europe think that was the best Tifo they've ever seen. Fucking give owa.

Just read their thread on RTG and it's lifting. Anyone criticising being accused of being a Mag and banned and others going on like it was the greatest display the world had ever seen and it wasn't very good. They're obsessed about us like. Cannot even take their red and white glasses off.

You're very welcome. Whatever helps us all enjoy it more and gives the team a better chance of winning. As always we cannot do it without the supporters' help!

Remember some of their fans bouncing around when they won etc. As if they'd beaten our first 11. Was absolutely hilarious. We actually cheered their goals and just pure laughed at them. Absolute laughing stock.

...ah one last thing. Folk need to remember that these folk are probably just normal punters with day jobs and likely families etc. Who then spend their spare time to try and make supporting their team more positive and fun not just for them but all those who support S*nderland. To make such accusations without any foundation is absolutely shite. Same people on SMB Twitter who preach "Mind" or whatever it was about mental health and bullying etc. Are probably then making evidence-less accusations of the poor buggers at Spirit of 37. That is, of course, assuming they aren't doing owt wrong.

..just to add... Spirit of 37 on message boards and Twitter have replied to or made comments about WF which was a typically Mackem thing to do. They're more obsessed about us and what we were doing. We generally try and ignore it but obviously this last week we've replied to or made reference to them purely because of the derby. But because we have the support of the vast majority of our fans, our fans will also jump to defend us and pile pressure on Spirit of 37. I get a sense of their own fans' feeling like they don't do what we do as well and some of the animosity is because of that. That's why their fans trot out the whole "owners pay for WF displays" kinda line, because otherwise they cannot justify that ours are simply better, or based on the feedback we receive they are. Personally, I think aside from the derby it's best to just focus on supporting your own team like and doing the best you can do both on and off the pitch.

I'll be honest, I think it's absolutely shite the pelters they're getting from their own fans. It's a positive thing they're trying to do for their football club and both this group and any potential new group will be massively deterred from proceeding given the shit they're receiving. The easiest way for them to stop it is to evidence the costs. This fixture arrived at short notice so they may have had to pay a premium for expedited turn around and likewise following Brexit their are additional duties etc. to be paid to bring stuff in from Europe where they likely sourced the materials. Such places are often used by fans of multiple clubs so stock might be in short supply, etc. I haven't really dug into it as I generally try and avoid social media nowadays, it's too much negative energy from people who don't really matter. However, I seem to see loads of comments re. Robbing their own fans etc. But no one providing any real evidence to suggest how or why they are. If they've re-used foils, cards or foil flags from previous displays then that is both financially and environmentally sustainable and they are right to do so. As for the dosh, if it's not all been spent I am fairly sure they'll simply put that to future displays. I mean I cannot say for certain either way whether these accusations are right, that's for them to evidence if they feel the need to do so, but I suspect the costs are round about right. The issue for me was that it looked rushed and unplanned somewhat, the W compared with the E and A, then the bottom of the D all looked shite and generally it looked squashed on at the end. Not sure on the use of an exclamation mark too. That and the fact it carried no real message to the players or us. It just wasn't the best of displays imo. Wor Flags got grief after the Dortmund display which for me is one of our best displays to date. But we lost and we criticised the atmosphere, which folk don't like, so we got some stick in return for it. Bonkers, but folk don't like taking their own responsibility or criticism and they're happy to dish it out, particularly on social media. So many factors to doing anything public these days. Despite them being SMBs I do think it's shan on that group though.

You get 37 thousand empty seats! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. Adults for a fiver and kids go free! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You have to fly from Newcastle to get to Spain! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You get cheesey chips, for a pound! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You get your season ticket with a happy meal! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You get your hot dog sausage in a burger bun! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You use league one tickets for the FA Cup! Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck. You let the mags kit out your stadium, so it's less shite. Cause S*nderland's a massive club...are they fuck.

Fair play.

Keep the kids up late. Stay up and watch the game with a light snooze around midnight. Get some more sleep after the game and all wake up around 11.

4.45am is night time. Not day time.

Would love Bruno to bag one tomorrow

My God he is wonderful in these pressers.

I did the same bur had changed the clock to 5 past Sunderland and all morning a mackem was kicking off that the clock was bust then at dinner he walked over and kicked off

what a belter. Hadn't seen that - cheers!

They're pure embarrassing like. The way they gan on.

If we win, it'd wind them up even more for us to carry on like it was just another game.

I cannot help but feel this is all a bit of a tactic to be honest. Creates animosity and a larger siege mentality for them. Don't want to sound a miserable bastard but none of this is half as funny until we do the business. We cannot get ahead of ourselves, we're Newcastle, we know what happens when we do.

Probably not world class but I always thought Ross Barkley would go onto big things. Liked him as a player, robust, box to box and could use both feet. Has seemingly never hit the heights though.

Aye, that's fair re. those two. You could argue why Hall was brought in for example. However, I think we have tried to play with 'lesser able' squads from time to time and to varying degrees we did so vs Man United and Man City in the cup, but it's seemingly being forgotten about. In short, I think we absolutely would have been rotating more if we had viable options.

I feel you're perhaps referencing a different post to what I quoted as part of the discussion to be honest. Your comments don't really answer what I'm asking. If you have injuries, you're forced to rotate, how often you rotate is probably then reduced owing to perceived levels of quality and the capability of those being rotated in to get the job done. What you're saying above, to me, is a very "good in hindsight" notion. When players are playing 100%, are playing well, and getting results, and you are uncertain of the capability to maintain results with their positional competition then it is natural you're less likely to willingfully rotate. As I said in my previous post, given Trippiers influence it has become apparent why perhaps Tino wasn't rotated in sooner. Not for his playing ability but for his lack of influence over the team. The Gordon one, for me, would have been avoided had Barnes not been injured, which no one could foresee. So this comes across very hypothetical now...

With Gordon though - do you think he would have had this amount of game time with a fit Harvey Barnes/Willock/Joelinton who've all operated in similar/same positions? With reference to Trippier I am absolutely inclined to agree. However, his recent blip has made it abundantly clear to me that we are somewhat dependant on his influence alone. When Trippier isn't at it, we aren't at it for results. So that'd be my concern. I don't mean to come across a dick but I just feel it's all easy to say in retrospect and after bad results. I don't think anyone at the time was suggesting we should do the same back then. I could be wrong though...

Great post. Don't entirely agree with it all but think it's very well put across and reasonable to suggest.

At which point would you have rotated those players and who for? I for one think we need a 'Plan B' which is essentially a 'control'style of play but without an array of technically able players that's difficult to apply, especially if it becomes apparent mid-season that you need to owing to an overwhelming amount of injuries.

It's the path he has chosen, that's right. Was playing youngsters with reduced quality the absolute solution? maybe - we'll never know. But if it wasn't then he'd have broken the confidence of young kids who are starting out and got shit for it and instead he has some more experienced pros now managing a situation they will likely have experience of. Might not be what we wanted to see, but probably good man management (in a worst case scenario).