themanupstairs

Miro Klose

Always thought Mikael Ballack would make a good manager.

Up into the top 70's in N-O league. Never would have dreamed of it earlier in the season

Only months later, after a derby defeat, does it emerge that Ashley Out was the next stage of the SackPardew campaign all along. Shame that the timing doesn't support that at all.

 

Aye I reckon after the derby defeat someone knocked up a quality website like that with superb content in 24 hours.

 

Look at the dates on the articles on the website that go back months - to suggest that the Ashley Out campaign wasn't planned all along is just plain f***ing wrong. That doesn't surprise me though because you've been wrong about almost everything since you signed up on here a couple of days ago.

Straight after Pardew was sacked, they put out a statement saying that it was just the beginning. Absolute arrogance in ignorance again from this dafty.

 

The first I heard of AshleyOut.com was in the thread with that title. I assumed the whole point of that thread was to announce it going live. If it existed before then, if it has existed ever since Pardew left, then that only goes to show how ineffective it's been - I've heard nothing about it, not from the press or any other fans, and needless to say I've not notice any of its campaigns.

 

Launched yesterday, clearly prepared before.

 

Hadn't heard of you before yesterday but presumably you existed as person before, so how ineffective have you been?

 

Spot on. Beggars belief that anyone thought targeting Pardew made any sense at all

 

You might have found it acceptable to be talked down to by Ashley's puppet, Pardew but I didn't.

 

Being told that we couldn't compete with the giant clubs like Norwich, Swansea and Southampton in the transfer market, being told " thank god we aren't in Europe", listening to him grovel to fatty every time he was allowed to buy 1 million superstars, the record number of 3 or more goal twattings we endured during his spell as manager not to mention the horrendous runs of form that were

commonplace as time progressed, not to mention the number of lies and contradictions Pardew came out with, these things p!us plenty of other things made the obnoxious Pardew fair game for criticism.

 

Bingo. Right on cue, another criticism based solely on something I never said. I never "found it acceptable to be talked down to by Ashley's puppet". I just wasn't daft enough to believe going after the puppet instead of the master made any sense at all. Criticising Pardew for trying to explain/justify/defend policies that solely resulted from the way Ashley wanted the club to be run? Hard to think of a bigger waste of effort than that, in my book. And the whole puppet meme is overblown anyway, if the press is to be believed Pardew went right off message by playing strong sides in Europe. Wonder why he would do that? Satisfy the fans? Progress the team? What an utter puppet c***. Good riddance. Still, it's great to know he's gone and has been exposed as the incompetent he clearly was, we've now got a great manager who's prepared to ignore Ashley and not be his puppet talking down to us. Oh no, wait....

Despite Ashley being the root cause of the evil surrounding NUFC, Pardew was the one in the spotlight. He was the one talking utter rubbish at every opportunity making himself and our club look like fools. Pardew was the one denigrating the good name of NUFC pushing officials and nutting players. Pardew was the one responsible for the pathetic football and alarming run(s) of defeats. Pardew was the lying snake who talked about playing front-foot attacking football when anyone with a pair of eyes could see he was a defeatist coward. Pardew was ultimately the one with no self respect whatsoever bleating on about losing Cabaye in one breath and thanking Ashley in the next.

Pardew was a loathsome prick of the highest order, and by far the worst manager in this club's recent history. Fans would have been right to go after him whether he was Ashley's man, Shepherd's man, or any other owner's.

Too bad every subsequent post of his has been a car crash since.

 

I'm not doing any of those things. I'm saying the campaign made us look fickle, which is a different thing entirely. I'm also saying the SackPardew campaign methods and strategy was suspect, and therefore those people shouldn't be put in charge of an Ashley Out effort, because they're likely to f*** it up and somehow make the situation worse, if that's possible. I have no idea what my 'outlook' is supposed to mean. Maybe you're trying to claim that because I am critical of SackPardew I must have been a fan of his? You'll never really understand my point if you're not even paying attention to what I say.

 

fickle

ˈfɪk(ə)l

adjective

changing frequently, especially as regards one's loyalties or affections.

 

I don't think I know a single person who has liked, then hated, then liked, then hated Pardew or Ahsley. Fickle isn't the word you are looking for unfortunately.

 

I don't think I've ever seen people deliberately ignore someone's point for so long, just so they could construct their own straw man arguments to refute and attempt to make the other guy look stupid.

 

One. Last. Time.

 

I did not say the fans were fickle.

 

I did say the SackPardew campaign made them look fickle.

 

I did not say you had to care that's what it made them look like.

 

End. Of.

Pretty obvious from this part, that you haven't even looked at their website in the first place

This forum is all that keeps me attached to the club at this point. And I'm honestly more excited to see a new post in the Shoe Council thread than anything in the Football forum.

This. I swear if it weren't for this place, I'd have almost no connection with NUFC whatsoever. It's the equivalent of being down the local with a few old war buddies, reminiscing about the days of old, and hoping we'll all still be around by the time the lean times return.

I can't quite believe that genuine fans are in any way upset by this at all, or are somehow trying to portray it as indicative of a wider problem with the player or the team. Krul is one of our best players, one with true class and ability. You need both hands, both feet, and a few of your mates, to count the number of times he's made crucial saves in matches. And he's just about the only player who is blameless for this result.

 

Lack of passion/commitment? This guy has been here ten years, which is self-evidently a measure of his commitment to this club in this day and age when other players here and elsewhere haven't even bothered to stick around for longer than their breakout season. And if you don't believe your own eyes when seeing how he reacts in games, I'm inclined to believe Carver when he said post-match, he's the guy who is most likely to be the one tearing strips off the others in the dressing room when things aren't going well. Krul's obviously not here for the money (he could get a better paid contract even in the Championship, let alone if a 'top' club came in for him). And you can hardly blame him for any real or perceived lack of form/desire *if* that is down to him not having any pressure on his place - that's on the management. I for one salute Krul for staying here so long, despite the fact it must have dawned on him long ago that Ashley's NUFC isn't really the place you need to be if you aspire to be the best keeper in the world.

 

The only reason this is a story is because of so called pundits like Carragher and Danny Murphy made it a 'talking point', people who quite clearly don't know the first thing about Tim Krul or NUFC. Add to that list the hapless Steve "It has no place in a wear-Tyne Derby" Ryder. What a knobhead. So Carra wouldn't do that in a match? So f***ing what. Do people think it's in any doubt which player out of Carra and Krul most footballers actually respect as a person? And if Krul was in the Liverpool team that won the Champions League while Carra was simply an NUFC player for ten years, do you think there'd be any doubt which one most footballers, pundits and fans would consider was the better footballer?

 

This gesture was nothing more than good sportsmanship, which may or may not have had a p*ss-taking element to it (and it makes no difference to me if it did or didn't). Anyone who tells you that passion for your club is incompatible with this sort of thing, is probably the sort of fan who wants NUFC to be a classless club like one of the Old Firm, where football long ago ceased to be a game and instead morphed into (or always was) something far more disturbing. I never want my club to be the sort of institution where the only thing that matters is stuffing the opposition, and taking our ball home when it doesn't go our way. I want my club to be better than that. And I think it already is better than that. So I proudly say here and know, thank you to Tim for being a proper sportsman. I hope for NUFC's sake he pays absolutely no mind to this sort of criticism - and thankfully it appears he did not.

 

 

I can't believe you wasted your time posting this tripe.  That attitude is exactly why we win f*** all.

Bollocks. What this guy is saying is that Tim Krul's NUFC career cannot be summed up in this one moment. It's ridiculous to single him out for something we don't even know much about apart from some video images, and totally ignore everything else. The club is diseased, and this incident may or may not be a symptom of it. It's abundantly clear that the buck stops with the ownership and management. They have provided this platform, and are reaping what they've sown.

I can't quite believe that genuine fans are in any way upset by this at all, or are somehow trying to portray it as indicative of a wider problem with the player or the team. Krul is one of our best players, one with true class and ability. You need both hands, both feet, and a few of your mates, to count the number of times he's made crucial saves in matches. And he's just about the only player who is blameless for this result.

 

Lack of passion/commitment? This guy has been here ten years, which is self-evidently a measure of his commitment to this club in this day and age when other players here and elsewhere haven't even bothered to stick around for longer than their breakout season. And if you don't believe your own eyes when seeing how he reacts in games, I'm inclined to believe Carver when he said post-match, he's the guy who is most likely to be the one tearing strips off the others in the dressing room when things aren't going well. Krul's obviously not here for the money (he could get a better paid contract even in the Championship, let alone if a 'top' club came in for him). And you can hardly blame him for any real or perceived lack of form/desire *if* that is down to him not having any pressure on his place - that's on the management. I for one salute Krul for staying here so long, despite the fact it must have dawned on him long ago that Ashley's NUFC isn't really the place you need to be if you aspire to be the best keeper in the world.

 

The only reason this is a story is because of so called pundits like Carragher and Danny Murphy made it a 'talking point', people who quite clearly don't know the first thing about Tim Krul or NUFC. Add to that list the hapless Steve "It has no place in a wear-Tyne Derby" Ryder. What a knobhead. So Carra wouldn't do that in a match? So f***ing what. Do people think it's in any doubt which player out of Carra and Krul most footballers actually respect as a person? And if Krul was in the Liverpool team that won the Champions League while Carra was simply an NUFC player for ten years, do you think there'd be any doubt which one most footballers, pundits and fans would consider was the better footballer?

 

This gesture was nothing more than good sportsmanship, which may or may not have had a p*ss-taking element to it (and it makes no difference to me if it did or didn't). Anyone who tells you that passion for your club is incompatible with this sort of thing, is probably the sort of fan who wants NUFC to be a classless club like one of the Old Firm, where football long ago ceased to be a game and instead morphed into (or always was) something far more disturbing. I never want my club to be the sort of institution where the only thing that matters is stuffing the opposition, and taking our ball home when it doesn't go our way. I want my club to be better than that. And I think it already is better than that. So I proudly say here and know, thank you to Tim for being a proper sportsman. I hope for NUFC's sake he pays absolutely no mind to this sort of criticism - and thankfully it appears he did not.

:clap: top post!

I prefer captains that will run but, not only that, will also jump a lot.

I prefer captains who know how to put their women in their place.

What the hell is the face on Ryan Mason's arm?

 

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/82047000/jpg/_82047725_026573712-1.jpg

Supernanny no?

w*****s. I always think 'what kind of f***ing idiots believe any announcements on April 1st' then saw this and instantly believed it.

Same

Motherfuckers that was a good one

What I'll never understand is how some people, in this thread and others, make direct comparisons between managers as if they were horses running the same race, completely disregarding the myriad of external factors that can make them successful, unsuccessful, or just plain old average at any given point in time. That goes for Garde AND Pardew of course, and their relative achievements throughout their careers.

It's never ever that black and white ffs.

Newcastle fans moaning about finishing 5th and winning cups. Lunacy.

As an argument to bring Pardew back

I'm aware of the stats. I don't believe the good results where unconvincing or undeserved despite slim margins on the whole.

:lol:

The love for Jonas on here is strange, people were crying out for him to be dropped when he was a guaranteed starter under Pardew. He was slated almost as bad as gouffran is now. Obviously it is still great to see he has made a full recovery 

It's called compassion and human decency, look it up.

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It's not only that. The guy was rotting away in a terrible team, producing nothing of note to merit his place in it. Since then he's had some time away from football, and a health scare to boot. He is clearly playing with a renewed purpose, even if it's only to try and repay the support of the fans in the form of dogged hard work. To me that is a lot more meaningful than anything Gouffran and Obertan bring to the team.

If he must play it should be in the middle though. He hasn;t been a proper winger since his first ever game for us at Old Trafford.

Yeah, it's generally just:

 

Me: *trying not to mention Newcastle*

Them: "So Newcastle eh?"

Me: "yeaaah" *nervous laugh*

Them: *raised eyebrow, mild laugh*

Me: *shake of head*

Them: "Pardew has started well at Palace, you should have kept him"

Me: "How about I punch your wee brother"

 

ad naseum

Going back to Sbragia, Danny Blanchflower was the man:

 

"Glenn Hoddle a luxury player? No, it’s the bad players who are a luxury."

That Sbragia quote is something out of the dark ages. Wonder if they know what sport they're playing. Seems to lean more towards athletics rather than football. The same school losers like Pardew came from.

It's entirely pointless saying 'other people have...' this and that. Those are people aren't him, they don't have his experiences or his biology.

Exactly. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't seem to have a genuine support network that can actually give him some meaningful help.

Im almost done with whats left of nufc.

It's painful when you start coming to this realization. We are being taken the p*ss out of, and most of us choose to sit and take it. Carver has nothing of substance about him, and nor do most of our players. The owner doesn;t give a s***, and we have absolute morons like Ryder writing about us thinking his words are influential. I don't buy the whole "didn't have a choice but to support NUFC because I'm from the area" thing. There are plenty of Geordies out there with no interest in football. We all make a choice at some point in our lives, for a reason or another to support NUFC, Geordies or not. It almost feels as though these reasons are vanishing one by one with every embarrassing episode.

That's what's so frustrating. Perez has shown he can win headers, as have Colo and Cisse. But we rely on the same method.

 

Also if we earn a free kick quite far from the area, we play it short. We don't create many chance anyway, we might as well risk it by putting the ball in the box like Arsenal did yesterday. Cause some panic, a mistake, anything.

I take it you've never seen the 6.5 billion times Krul/Elliot took a FK from the half way line that amounted to absolutely no threat whatsoever? I would definitely rather we took these types of fouls short tbh.

The interview where he apologized after the match was as insincere as any I've seen.

Gouffran yessssss

The rate at which the current squad are dropping like flies, he should have been given some pitch time against Everton instead of Gutierrez after the red card, get his debut out the way.

 

If it ends up we have to throw him in for the derby as his first game, then I only have to direct you to Dummett's first start at the SoL to suggest the sort of thing which could happen (or, if we're going retro about it, a Stevie Taylor vs. Bolton away special).

I hate everything about the way NUFC is run. We clearly aren't in the business of competitive football. It is getting so difficult to see a point in continuing to support us.

If Satka isn't good enough (as a young reserve player), then why is he still here? If he's not good enough then why did al pards and now carver sing his praises?

I hope he starts at CB. Even if we get humiliated, so fucking what? That's life. If he has anything about him, he'll not take it personally and learn from it and grow. If a beating off Arsenal is going to ruin his career then he was never meant to make it.

The only way Colo's tackle should have been appealed is if there was any doubt as to whether he got a bit of the ball or not (had it been that type of tackle). Take for example Habib Beye's last man challenge which earned him a red card at the time. The FA correctly reversed the referee's decision when video evidence showed he had got the ball. Colo's tackle had no such circumstances and should never have been appealed.