themanupstairs

It's a shame that you're using nowt more than Speculation against The Man

fyp tbh

That would be nice, if it went to a new owner who would put that money into buying new players, which in this case wont happen, it will just give Mike som extra pocket money when he will travel to Thailand after selling the club.

  aye right, and the interested parties will just stand there giggling going "Big Mikey you fat cheeky bastard lolz! Have a Thai massage on us lolz"

I think its just a matter of when, not if, he will return to Newcastle again.

 

I agree. The unfinished business he spoke of 16 months ago was compounded by his exit in september and he'll probably be manager again within 2 years

 

 

New buyer,.. keegan manager, shearer no2... perfect= promotion.

  unbelievable

Brummie, it's your duty to be our resident Spurs hater for this season.

 

We have much smaller fish to fry.

So true. The only attention I will be paying to the PL this season is to check on Spurs' results and laugh everytime the tossers lose.

Spurs are also talking to Arda Turan's agent about the player making the move, seems to be more likely than Ashley Young who prefers to go to Chelsea. 

 

Young is never going to go to Spurs, for two reasons. Firstly - why? What would be the point? Secondly - you couldn't afford him.

 

Agree totally with the first reason, disagree with the second, there is money for the right signings.

 

It's widely reported that AY hasn't settled in the area and his family are Spurs ST holders but that's no reason to expect him to sign.  I agree with you, Young is never going to go to Spurs.

 

Not having a go at you, MJ, but there are two of the most tiresome, continually trotted out London club cliches of the transfer market there.

 

Firstly the "widely reported he's not settled in the area" / "wants to return to London" line (despite being from, err, Stevenage). Widely reported where? On every football forum on the internet, that's a phrase that gets trotted out when there is a rumour of a London club after a non London club player. I've not seen it yet in relation to the NRC / Spurs link, but I bet you what you like we hear it in the next few days.

 

Secondly, the boyhood Spurs / boyhood Arsenal fan line. Spurs and Arsenal must be the two greatest supported clubs in the world, given the number of families of footballers they have supporting them. We heard that story when we signed Curtis Davies (boyhood Spurs fan) and he didnt go there, and we heard the same when we signed Young (didn't go there).

 

On the price of Young, if MON thought Barry was worth 20m when he had two years left on his contract, how much do you think he'd rate Young (signed four year contract 6 months ago) at?

 

 

  Now THAT'S a sexy post!!! 

You go boy!!!!

Anyone but Shepherd.

That's a mating call if I ever heard one

Wasnt it Guti's sister or smth

Kasper you sick fuck!

Is Shearer most peoples first choice?

 

Im probably in the monority when i say that I dont want him managing the club. I know comparison to Souness will get me slated but charactrer wise and attitude wise Im struggling to see too many difference, anyone care to enlighten me as to what it is that makes Shearer so qualified?

He's played here during the good times, and will want to get the club back up to that level. That has got to be additional motivation!

Wasn't Freddy in the process of writing a book?

 

Yes and being the modest bloke he is, he's called it Geordie Legend - The Saviour of Newcastle United, AMEN.

FYP

There's something really boring about Spurs transfer rumours. Mainly, as dan b said, they follow the same routine over, and over, and over again.

:lol: tbh I was just about to post about how hilarious the Spurs rumour mill is, and how the whole Spurs ITK circle still exists on this and other fora despite them getting 95% of their shit wrong

cretinous club, 94% cretinous supporters

It's quite unbelievable how a successful (perhaps questionable) business man can make so many mistakes and not learn. Whenever there has been a decision to be made, he has made the WRONG decision EVERY time. I mean seriously, who the f*** advised him that it would be a good idea to advertise the sale of the club on a website aimed at communicating with fans? Beyond belief.

 

Business success involves a hell of a lot of luck.  Being in the right place at the right time with the right people around you can make even a complete moron a lot of money.  With us, Ashley seemed to be content to rely on his luck rather than good management and his luck just ran out.

 

The situation reminds me a bit of what happened with Alan Sugar a few years ago, when he bought Spurs. He ended up having to sack Terry Venables, who was the fans' favourite, and found himself out of control of his own business. Like Ashley, he was glad to get out in the end.

 

The only criterion for success in a business is making money. With a football club, success is trophies and there's a degree of customer involvement and interest in decisions which would normally be entirely up to an owner.

 

True.

Tbh I can understand people thinking that Ashley is deliberately running the club down because his decision making is so catastrophic that it seems inconceivable that he thinks he is doing the right things. But he is a trader and a chancer who got lucky in a market he understands. He thinks that means he has ability to run something else which he doesn't understand and like others before him (Sugar being one as you say) he is very wrong. People like Ashley are used to making decisions in their own time and in their own way, those that work for him know that and set things up around him accordingly. But in a business like a football club decisions are absolutely time critical and success depends upon the assets of the club being moulded into a cohesive unit (and not being viewed as a potential profitable resale). Ashley, though rich, isn't really very clever at all and I have thought since the word go that he was completely out of his depth owning a Premiership club.     

 

I'd kind of agree with your conclusion that there's a different skill-set needed to run a football club, when compared with running a business, and that Ashley has fallen short. I don't think it's the time pressure factor that's significant though, and I wouldn't say that Ashley has necessarily been lucky in his business life, any more than Sugar was lucky. In business, they each saw opportunities neglected by other people and went for it hell for leather.

 

The problem with a football club is that it is only partly a business. The other part is a kind of community institution in which the fans have a big influence, and in that respect it's like running a public service. The strain in running a public service is that you have the press, the government and the public on your back, demanding that you run things in a certain way, and you're not your own master. So a lot of what you would like to do has to be weighed up and compromises reached. So you get the worst of both worlds - you have to pick up the tab at the end of the day, but you don't get the free hand that you would get in business.

 

Like you said, maybe Ashley just doesn't have the kind of brain that can anticipate that kind of difficulty and deal with it. He's also used to shunning the limelight, and may not have the kind of thick skin you need in that very public position. I didn't like Shepherd, but he did have the hide of a rhino when the criticism started flying.

 

Strictly in the world of business, appointing Wise and Keegan together might have made a lot of sense. Keegan would produce an entertaining product for the customers and Wise would look after the long-term strategy and the finances. But in practice, that was a disaster. Keegan is more than an employee - he's a public figure with a lot of support and he wasn't averse to using that status to try to get what he wanted, despite what may have been written into his contract. Ashley has not been in control since that point, because he was never going to win a PR battle with Keegan. It's just not a situation that occurs in the business world.

 

Great response bobyule.

 

Just a couple of points of clarification:

 

I don't know so much about Sugar but I think Ashley was lucky. The flotation valuation of Sports Direct was way in excess of reality as subsequent results have shown (pre recession too) and he coined nearly a £billion in cash on the back of that. 

 

Also my point about decisions in football being time critical was more to do with planning the timing of decisions so that they are made at the best time for the club, given that there is a clear cut season, transfer window, pre season training etc. The timing and significance of these is known well in advance. And if you do have an unexpected event (e.g KK departure and JFK illness) mid season it becomes a matter of urgency to sort something out quickly. The run of results under Hughton's stewardship post KK where we lost to Hull and Paul Ince's Blackburn at home was a case in point.

 

Your second para on the difference between a football club and other businesses is about as good an analysis as I've ever read tbh.

Sorry to go back to this, but I've just had a chance to read this thread.

Lucky? Luck is where opportunity meets preparation. Luck isn't random.

Due diligence is just the process in which interested parties look at the books, all the financial situation... i think? Don't suppose you could put a set time on how long it would take.

 

Only books they'll find is "How to run a football club for Dummies"

 

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First time ive seen this:

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/league/0,19540,11687,00.html

 

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

 

Gonna be grim next season, aw well, fixtures in 6 days

That fucking hurts man 

I'm not sure I follow you. 

 

It's not possible to stay in/compete in the PL w/o debt just because Ashley made a series of monumental cock ups? 

 

So if I hire a bunch of retards to build a new house it's the fault of the blueprints if it collapses?

David Ginola for me, probably because he was here first.

The goals against Man U and Ferencvaros were moments of pure magic.

If one of ours is going to score it, it will be Lovenkrands.

Kiko Macheda will keep us up

RIP

the song means so much to so many, his legacy will live on forever

If we go down:

WE FOUGHT THE WAR BUT THE WAR WON

"We still follow United"

ALWAYS UNITED

i think would sound and look better

I keep feeling light-headed and nervous as fuck every time I look in this thread. Just cant help it. I'm extremely busy at work, which helps to keep the mind off of things, but still.

Howay United! pull us out of this!!!!!! ffs!!!!!

an arrow. so the banner can be turned round as the game and the positions change.

 

That would actaully be brilliant 

agreed! themanupstairs has spoken. an arrow it is. good luck CG and god speed.

NUFC - PRIDE OF SUNDERLAND 

Sky have apparently paid the club to book block a massive chunk of the car park behind the North Stand for "after match reaction".

 

I don't think it is to catch the opinions of our lot if we fail to clinch fifth, either.

  they'll be there to capture the misery. let's hope we stay up so we can stick it to the cunts

SUCK MY LUCKY COCK