Neil

Without thinking about it too much, I'd go with something very similar to this. Schweinsteiger and Iniesta both with (somewhat obvious) strong shouts for midfield.

Stupid question, but do you need to put a £1 on a Lucky 15? I never see anyone mention anything else, but a £1 stake on it. £15 for straight wins, £30 for E/W L15. I think?

Your guess is as good as mine. Had one alright day during the last round of games and three distinctly poor ones. RESILIENCE

Fucking hell, lad at work won 2.5k on a £1 Lucky 15 yesterday at Ascot. For the one that didn't win, he'd scribbled out the winner - would've been 22k.

There is a level of detachment in that sense. But I'd argue this is not England-specific, this is football-wide. The money involved in the sport nowadays is a big contributing factor to a sense of alienation with pretty much all football players, at least at the top level.

People enjoy watching twats fail? I don't understand that holding in the context of it being your own country. You do realise many English people hate England as a country? I'm very aware of it, yes.

People enjoy watching twats fail? I don't understand that holding in the context of it being your own country.

Not sure what Ali will make of this.

Last round of games have generally been shite. Was going a bit too well during the 2nd round of games tbf, plenty of points every night. But finding it hard to name anything over the past few days. A couple of clean sheets, couple of assists, that's about it. Anyway, shit's starting to get serious.

I surely can not be top after tonight. I had Ribery as captain ffs.

It's ok mate, England will be out before long and you can sleep easy knowing we haven't won. England were poor and Ukraine deserved something from the game = I hate England? I admit I deeply dislike some of the England squad, but I'm generally indifferent towards their overall progress. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest they can overturn Italy, fair play if they somehow manage it. Your comments generally suggest you revel in criticising England and can't wait to knock them down - anything but indifferent. I get that people think there are twats in the England squads, I agree with that. What I don't get is why so many people seemingly take pleasure in seeing us fail, which is different to not really caring.

It's ok mate, England will be out before long and you can sleep easy knowing we haven't won.

7 points out of 9, very well done to all concerned. However tonight was easily our worst performance so far. Ukraine must have been ridiculously encouraged by how much we dropped off and almost willed them onto us - they can count themselves unlucky for losing the game. As far as we're concerned though, we have every chance against Italy.

Why don't you fuck off and support Spain then. Aye, that's right. We'll do Spain no fucking bother. TIKI TAKA IS DEAD. Ukraine first though, easy as piss. haha rebrovs shit

96 version is better. It is. Sheer laziness on my part. WE'RE ON THE BALL

BECKHAM TO HESKEY

Jesus Christ, we might as well have just thrown all the group games then. Typical England man, get out of the group stages (usually on the last game of the group stages) then just as everyone thinks maybe they can do actually do it and they get a biggish name they bottle it and go out. Brazil, Portugal, Portugal again, Germany, and now I would think Spain. Yep, it's preferable to go out in the groups. If we get out of the group then it's job done and we're into a knockout game where we'd likely be big underdogs but it's still the best we can do. Your outburst makes no sense. Indicative of some people generally; going to great lengths to shout from the rooftops about how we're no good, how we're going to get knocked out immediately and how everyone else is better. I get it, we're not that good but at the same time we have good players, we just need to click. Hopefully we'll get to the knockout stage and with some luck, do well in whatever match that is. Come on England. They need a wee bit more than that like. To do what? Win it? To win it we'll need our best performances in many years and more than likely large quantities of luck. It's not overly optimistic to say we'll get into the knockout stage and give a good showing in the QF.

If it helps you, feel free to believe this.

Jesus Christ, we might as well have just thrown all the group games then. Typical England man, get out of the group stages (usually on the last game of the group stages) then just as everyone thinks maybe they can do actually do it and they get a biggish name they bottle it and go out. Brazil, Portugal, Portugal again, Germany, and now I would think Spain. Yep, it's preferable to go out in the groups. If we get out of the group then it's job done and we're into a knockout game where we'd likely be big underdogs but it's still the best we can do. Your outburst makes no sense. Indicative of some people generally; going to great lengths to shout from the rooftops about how we're no good, how we're going to get knocked out immediately and how everyone else is better. I get it, we're not that good but at the same time we have good players, we just need to click. Hopefully we'll get to the knockout stage and with some luck, do well in whatever match that is. Come on England.

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We all know where this is leading to. Fades to black at half time in their QF game. "Spain lose 4-0."

This is what gets me. Everyone's slamming him for being pretentious/stupid/defensive/ridiculous - Fabregas and Navas won them the fucking game. But fuck that, they keep possession too well.

A scintillating 17 points. Perhaps my Di Natale enthusiasm/undying love cost me.

I like them, I would've found it funny if they went out last night but that's in a "wanting to see the underdog get through" kind of way. Can understand opinions saying they're boring. Think the criticism is over the top, though. Not like Arsenal, as an example, who are criticised for trying to overcomplicate it and end up not winning and losing regularly.