Interpolic

Growl.

Spurs was meant to be the new ground that bucked the trend in terms of atmosphere / not feeling a completely soulless environment. What are the examples of new grounds that don't feel completely naff compared to somewhere like SJP? As far as I can see there are none, certainly not in this country. This is why I'm still firmly against moving. Moving from a proper football ground to a soulless structure and never being able to turn the clock back sounds a nightmare. I also don't want us to make a forever decision on the basis of FFP, a situation that is relatively new and may not be here for that long for all we know.

Spurs never should have sacked Poch, it was obvious then and they're still suffering for it now. Reminds me of another situation closer to home.

Man, I feel like a minnow

Pope's knee being in a good place suggests it's still halfway down his leg, which sounds positive.

What are your favourite footballer nicknames? A few I am fond of: Fitz Hall - One Size Lee Clark - Jigsaw (falls to pieces in the box) Shola Ameobi - Carl Cort

the minnows. You're Spurs ffs.

Omg they're so weird.

What about this current ownership tells you they're building towards selling our best player for big money and replacing him with someone comparitively cheap and much worse? They've hoyed every spare pound they can at the squad. A bit of pessimism is fine but not when it makes zero sense.

Gillespie Obertan Butt Smith Simpson Cole Owen Dubravka? Don't think so actually.

It's not revisionist history, it's looking at it from the English perspective as it's most relevant to the discussion. I'd be happy enough with saying Jewish owners were ruining football if there was somehow the same history in Jewish sport that there is in American sport. And if I felt the systems in those sports would ruin European football, as the American systems would. And if the Jewish owners had already tried to railroad the existing system in favour of a poisonous closed shop model, as the Americans already have. I don't feel like the Americans need you jumping out to defend them by calling us all racist, it's a weird stance to take. You seem to be enjoying yourself though so I'll leave you to it.

Your response to me was "who is more mad out of the Glazers and Ratcliffe?" or similar. So I didn't feel like that was answered, or that joeyt would gain anything from re-reading it. The ESL is THE recent example of football almost being destroyed and it was spearheaded by 3 American owners. The potential end result of it being elite football becoming a closed shop that is comparable to American sport with the values of the football pyramid a distant memory. Which is exactly the type of thing people would be concerned about if the EPL was owned by a majority of Americans.

American-led English clubs were also said to be the ones leading the charge for a European Super League. Man City and Chelsea were apparently always more reluctant, reportedly but that's all we have.

Not to be confused with former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher.

Not TCD

Nah, done - this is utterly tedious.

You know this isn't true. I said it wasn't reasonable to sack him for not qualifying for Europe. How do you get "7th is unrealistic" from that?

Nobody said it was unrealistic. WUM.

Hope you spend the rest of your natural life on the cusp of a sneeze that never arrives.

If people are gonna regularly make reactive AF comments for us all to endure then they should be dug up en masse at times like this imo.

Just to sum up my feelings on this as it has been going on for days and I'm finding the opposing argument quite depressing... Howe or any future NUFC manager should only be expected to qualify for Europe (to the extent they'll lose their job if they don't) when they are operating consistently with a European budget. And for now that's not the case.

Has to deliver what, 7th like he did last year under ridiculously trying circumstances? I didn't say 7th was unrealistic, I said sacking Howe for finishing a place or 2 below that would be completely unreasonable. It's marginal whether us or Villa have spent the most so to say us finishing 8th warrants that outcome is mental. Villa are another one who have had the benefit of huge pure-profit windfalls from their academy btw, unlike us. How long have you been supporting us? Do you realise how incredibly entitled you sound?