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In all honesty, I'd expect Poch's brand of football to be far more entertaining than Rafa's. Could argue that Rafa would offer more in terms of sorting out the club from top to bottom, but how often does a manager get time to see these things out in reality. Obviously this is all falling apart and we'll end up with Steve Coppell mind.

Would be a monumental upgrade on how's the bacon. Can't grumble. Sign him up.

Perfectly natural to be slightly frustrated by it like, part of me would have been FEWMIN if missed out on a cup Semi / Final ticket this year Ultimately though, can't expect to stop investing in your club and still receive preferential treatment at a later date. Such is life.

Aye, very weird behaviour doing the rounds. Having sacked one in with plenty of loyalty points this season, like fuck do I deserve to be pushed up the pecking order, even if it was remotely feasible. Can have no complaints really if the free ticket lot get first dibs even. General sale for any left over the only way to do it. Those who jumped ship knew the potential risks when they did so.

Oh fully aware there are the odd protest team around Europe. Rangers / Celtic aptly demonstrate how cringeworthy it can often be. Rightly or wrongly its never going to be on the agenda for most, myself included.

All a distant memory when captain Jack Grealish slips home the winner in the Allianz ~May 2022.

I think many people feel that Independent journalists are a bit hypocritical, when a Saudi investor part owns the company. I thought that journalists' work not being dictated by the owners of their outlets would be seen as a good thing but you live and learn. He could try and get a job at another newspaper, since hes so principled. And if he does that, how does it change the situation at NUFC or whether it's right or wrong for these guys to own the club? It doesn't at all, it's just a lazy cheap point scoring exercise to avoid discussing the actual issue. Play the ball, not the man. I'm talking about him being a hypocrite and why I find it annoying and I've made my point. It doesnt change a thing on the ownership issue. But it makes him a hypocrite and in the process annoys me. Why do you change the subject? I can, on the one hand, see someones point of view but on the other see them as a hypocrite because of it. Do you want to talk about the morality of Saudi ownership or hypocrisy? I've put aside the ownership issue and said it's fair enough that people feel uncomfortable but I'm not having someone telling me what I should think or do when they dont themselves take a stand. I take Neesys point that the guy might have tried to get a job at a newspaper, and fair play if he did. I doubt it. It's not hypocrisy though. His position, as I understand it, is: Newcastle fans are going to benefiting from Saudi money, and so should speak out against their human rights abuses while doing so (at the match etc). That's exactly what he's doing. He's taking a wage from a newspaper part owned by Saudi money, and speaking out against their human rights abuses while doing so. He's practising what he preaches. It's literally the opposite of hypocrisy. I dont agree. Hes working for (and by proxy, supporting) the very people who he says we should snub. I've never doubted his knowledge on the subject fwiw. I also think we all play apart in the horrid game. Every time I get petrol, I'm probably supporting them in some way. It's just this time, i might get some glimmer of joy out of my football club. I know its selfish but that's just how I feel. He doesn't say they should be 'snubbed' though, in fact the main thing he advocated that people had a problem with was a protest at the games themselves which is exactly in keeping with his circumstances. I think that's unrealistic, there's just no history of political protest in this country at football, but it's certainly not without precedent. Bayern Munich supporters at the moment are being extremely vocal on the club's relationship with Qatar. Not just unrealistic, they're utterly absurd. Football for most is an escape - a chance to have a few drinks on a weekend, be entertained and display some collective pride in your local club. He's genuinely going around proposing fans, who haven't asked for Saudi involvement, suddenly become ultra-political and bring geet huge flags of murdered Saudi dissidents to the match. Cloud cuckoo land and not representative of someone who understands the sport they're paid to commentate on.

Aye sorry mate, I shouldn't have said that in response to you, was more a general point

Sunderland fans were singing 'He shags who he wants' at matches tbf. Could argue those waving the Saudi flag are engaging in similar, although they're unlikely to be as aware of what they're promoting as mackems were with the paedo. Ultimately every club has doylums amongst their support though. Loki is right though, if its not for you, cut all ties with the club. Important not to have a go at others for not following suit though.

Mam, I think Brian is stoning adulterers to death again.

:lol: round and around and around we go....... Aye Ultimately all rather pointless as everyone will come to their own moral standpoint and draw their lines in the sand. Personally just looking forward to supporting a club which wants to compete again, it's as simple as that.

To be fair doubt the fit & proper persons test is even stringent enough to prevent a nonce dream team from taking over.

True, but I assume elements of every fan base think the same. Same as saying referees are biased. Of course, but this thinking requires nuance. If Delaney and his disciples are to believed there's only two schools of thought when it comes to the takeover: - Positive: Thick geordie who absolutely revels in middle east mass murder. Can't get enough it. Probably loves domestic murderers too. - Negative: Righteous. Pals with all the Antifa lads. Would change allegiance if someone with driving offences was in the process of taking over.

Areet mate. Think the difference is it feels like, although this may be paranoia, that fans are being criticised for this stance by certain parts of the media. Although there was a lot of internal arguing over whether it was right or wrong to go to matches under Ashley, fans were never criticised nationally for taking either stance. Its only natural that folk will get defensive when they're being openly criticised for doing little more than supporting a football team. Obviously this shouldn't then go as far as to start actively defending a horrific regime and the two aren't the same. I defended fans time and time again for attending matches under Ashley, despite hating Ashley with a passion. This again is similar, albeit the crimes of Saudi Arabia are significantly worse than Mike Ashley of course.......

CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP USING HAVING MORALS AS AN INSULT!!!!!!!!!!! Guardian is Manchester-based, isn't it? Probably both clubs there now collectively shitting themselves. No. It's based in Kings Cross I mean, "moralistic" tends to be a negative adjective. Having morals is obviously a lovely trait if you don't insist everyone else has exactly the same morals. I'd probably expect most people to have similar morals when it comes to bombing kids tbh Confident the Newcastle fanbase will continue to be anti child-murder, no matter what Squires et al want to suggest.

CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP USING HAVING MORALS AS AN INSULT!!!!!!!!!!! Guardian is Manchester-based, isn't it? Probably both clubs there now collectively shitting themselves. No. It's based in Kings Cross I mean, "moralistic" tends to be a negative adjective. Having morals is obviously a lovely trait if you don't insist everyone else has exactly the same morals.

Love his work but that's deeply unfair, as with a lot of the commentary coming from the moralistic Southern press. The idea that it is the responsibility of Newcastle fans, committing the crime of wanting to continue to support the club they've always supported, to fight against a foreign power. Utterly nonce-y effort on his part.

Surely the tribal nature of football is what partly makes it? If fanbases were in the rugby mould and displayed respect to each other and didn't hypocritically back their team to the hilt it would be terrifyingly dull and disgustingly Tory. Having thought about, very briefly, I see little issue in supporting NUFC under the (potential) new ownership. For me support of your local team has never been linked to the ownership, albeit I did sack of a season ticket this year as it became abundantly clear we had lost the will to compete. Support is everything Sir Bobby outlined in that famous quote. If we had the option would we rather have an owner who didn't engage in human rights abuse? Aye, but Newcastle fans' ability to choose who runs their club and to impact global politics is non-existent. If we sought to live a completely pure life we'd almost certainly manage to eradicate all pleasure from our lives. Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

Isn't the idea of the Trust that it's a democratic institution? The opinions of one member, albeit a board member, shouldn't put people off joining. If 99% don't share his opinion, naturally the alternate view will win out. The whole fan group thing always falls down as people aren't willing to engage with anyone outside of their own echo chamber, much like the state of politics in this country. I'll always defend people who continue to go as well. I'll be giving up this season, and it genuinely pains is to do so having gone week in week out all my adult life, but there's nothing there to support anymore. Having said that, I know a few blokes I went with who share the same view as Wraith (who is an absolute melt, obviously) and will no doubt be there for the Arsenal match. They've all went for 30+ years and certainly shouldn't be slagged off by fellow fans, the majority of whom haven't put in anywhere near the time, finances or support to the cause over the years. Joined the trust as it will be one of the few outlets of support going forward. Genuinely think it could succeed as a unifying voice if people buy into it. This is such bullshit, you act like going to the game is some sort of marytdom, the stadium is literally in the city Centre, the match costs the same as any other form of entertainment. This isn’t some laborious hardship of “30years” it’s going on the piss and watching football. If our ground was in some industrial estate somewhere you’d see a lot more people dropping out. There speaks a man who has never had to give it up. It's not martyrdom at all, but for some people it's what they've always done and enjoyed doing. Of course its partly about the day and the piss up, but in reality if there wasn't NUFC a lot of people, especially older fans, wouldn't see their mates bi-weekly. It's a valid reason to go to the match, whether you like it or not. If you took golf away from an elderly Tory nonce it would cause similar distress. The online element of our fanbase could genuinely benefit from trying to accept alternate viewpoints, or at least attempt to debate in a reasoned manner. Wraith's online schtick is absolutely repugnant but as Greg says he probably opens doors, and is one man among a vast membership. The reason we're unlikely to get anywhere as a fanbase is because toys immediately go out the pram when someone fails to toe the party line.

Isn't the idea of the Trust that it's a democratic institution? The opinions of one member, albeit a board member, shouldn't put people off joining. If 99% don't share his opinion, naturally the alternate view will win out. The whole fan group thing always falls down as people aren't willing to engage with anyone outside of their own echo chamber, much like the state of politics in this country. I'll always defend people who continue to go as well. I'll be giving up this season, and it genuinely pains is to do so having gone week in week out all my adult life, but there's nothing there to support anymore. Having said that, I know a few blokes I went with who share the same view as Wraith (who is an absolute melt, obviously) and will no doubt be there for the Arsenal match. They've all went for 30+ years and certainly shouldn't be slagged off by fellow fans, the majority of whom haven't put in anywhere near the time, finances or support to the cause over the years. Joined the trust as it will be one of the few outlets of support going forward. Genuinely think it could succeed as a unifying voice if people buy into it.

Don't listen to the nonsense Jackie, the effort is massively appreciated and has vastly improved the match day experience in the Gallowgate. Keep up the good work. There will always be dissenters who would sooner moan from a distance than make any attempt at positive change themselves. Doylums. Supreme doylums.

Trimmer for me neckbeard and some powerful hardware for slagging off matchgoers and/or perusing the dark web.

Tbf to the 52,000 Brexit loving nonces, Perez got a good round of appreciation going off yesterday. We've all taken a New Years resolution to no longer be raging xenophobes.

Got such a rush giving Big Mike another tenner. Show me heaven.

Seems like a decent lad but you'd think he's trying to flee Syria. His effort can't really be faulted and, as with the rest of them, he's just shite.