Away Toon

I always thought Anderson looked the better of the two certainly more similar to Fab. He would undoubtedly improve us and anything under 50m would be good.

Not against that option at all, however Howe doesn't appear keen on Gordon playing RW and Barnes apparently can't play there.

Sell Gordon. The idea is not that far fetched it sounds like we considered it already. Upgrade our CB options with a high class eventual replacement for Schar. Buy Raphinha or Madueke or someone similar for RW and replace Wilson with some young high potential striker. Probably still have some money left to avoid having to sell someone we don't want to lose next June. Not ideal for sure but we do appear to have serious PSR issues and will continue to do so going forward.

I was hoping this might start a measured intelligent nuanced discussion, however apparently not.

If we really don't have enough money to buy the CB, RW and back up striker we need as a minimum to progress, maybe we are looking to move Gordon on. If we could get around 80m it would give us the means to spend some serious cash and we already have an excellent player in Barnes who plays in AG position. Thoughts? Sensible ones preferably.

If Man United go big with their new stadium surely our owners will have to follow suit with something new even if it doesn't have a 100,000 capacity.

Well the way this football club has been run has resulted in us winning nothing for 55 years so it's time for a different approach.

Not sure about any upside to the Tonali transfer so far forgetting the lost season already. He cost 55m which should make him pretty close to being a world class midfielder. which in the few games he did play he certainly wasn't. Jury is very much out so far on his transfer.

This is true but only if we have someone on the right or ideally two players on the right of the same quality and output of Barnes and Gordon.

Barnes is a player I like a lot and buying him to start at LW instead of ASM is something most of us could have got behind. However he's not starting and unless Howe tells Gordon to play RW he's not going to and that's a problem. Our first 11 and squad is not good enough to have someone of Barnes ability and G&A record sitting on the bench. If we don't sign an elite RW what is the starting 11, because if either Miggy or Murphy are starting we are extremely unlikely to be making any real progress in the league. I would switch Gordon to the right and start Barnes on the left. Just my opinion. Unless Barnes can play on the right which I don't think he can. They are currently our two best wingers by far so we need to find a way to get both of them starting.

Not buy Barnes to sit on the bench for starters, something he's going to be doing again unless we sell Gordon.

I'd like to know who? Maybe Minteh.

Of the RW we have been linked with I think he has the highest ceiling and would be a good player to get especially if the fee is under 50m. Although he's left footed, he does like to go outside occasionally and has a reasonable right foot. Buy him.

When it comes down to it is he the head coach or the manager? Every club has the same problem with how much power do they give to the coach/manager considering most of them get sacked or leave within a couple of years. If you let them choose all the players they like, when they get replaced you tend to be back to square one unless the squad is absolute top quality. I think the new management want Eddie to be the coach, in their words that's what he is good at, I expect Eddie wants to be the manager. There is a potential conflict, we will have to wait and see. If England do come calling it does give him an opt out.

I think it will be an English manager, going foreign didn't work. If the FA are prepared to pay the compensation (12-15m?) I suspect Howe might go. However both Carsley and Potter will cost zero so I expect it will be one of them.

IMO all the Spanish players apart from Cucarella were technically superior to the players we had out there including Laporte who is playing in Saudi. Nothing knew there Spain has always pretty much had the most technically gifted players. Compare Foden with Bernardo Silva there is literally no comparison, Bellingham is big, strong and difficult to play against but I don't see someone with great technical ability. Mainoo was so poor against Spain he might have not been on the pitch, the game passed him by completely. Southgate's muudled thinking and lack of high level coaching ability certainly didn't help.

I see lots of posts about how England have this wonderful group of players and are just waiting for a better manager than Southgate before they win everything. I think too many people are equating the high standards seen in the premier league with the actual talent many of the current English players have. First of all technically many of the players we have are no better than average when compared with the players that Spain, France, Argentina, Brazil etc. have. All of the Spanish substitutes were way better technically than anybody we had on the pitch. Playing the devil's advocate: No goalkeeper depth outside of Pickford at all at the moment. Walker needs replacing, by who Tino? That's a big ask. Apart from Shaw at LB there's nobody half decent. Hall, that's another big ask. Middle of the defence, none of them are at the level of the choice the top nations have Rice, showed all his limitations in this tournament, not an international standard midfielder at the highest level Mainoo who knows but completely invisible during the games that mattered. Wharton, nobody's really seen him play so currently he has the highest ceiling Bellingham, Foden and Kane all played in the same position, that's on the manager. Kane is finished, Foden has never played well for England, and Bellingham needs to find some discipline and a position. Neither Toney or Watkins are good enough to replace Kane at the highest level but someone has to. Saka has serious potential but his play is very predictable. Palmer plays in the same position. Eze didn't play much but was terrible when he did. Gordon didn't play at all, so who knows. I don't see a group of players that are going to beat the better teams. Hopefully Eddie see's it the same way.

Bellingham was abysmal anything above a 4 is being kind.

Fab's a great player but isolated one on one it's terrifying to watch.

I just cheered the Swiss goal. What the fuck has Southgate done.

Maybe. Very low bar though.

Apart from Spain and the Swiss against Italy, what a miserable boring tournament with so much bad management and mediocrity.

You'd like to think that Eddie or someone from the club rang him up before this all hit the press. Maybe explains why he fell off his bike while on a call.

Hopefully removing the sign is so they can knock down the stand.

Why is Mainoo playing deeper than Rice? Southgate is the most tactically inept manager .