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Im delighted they don’t, let’s keep him in that case.

Err, only Villa have ambitious owners as much as ours. Maybe forest. Everton are almost Bankrupt and Chinese invest in football is over. You need 14 clubs votes change the rules, and I have 4 clubs who may break the status quo. (Forest is a push imo, I doubt the owner has the wealth to truly compete with the big boys). It’s understood city abstained from the vote.

City abstained from what I read. They already have the highest revenue (lol) so these rules have no impact on them.

As I’ve written about at length, the other shareholders don’t have any incentive to loosen the rules, our one vote doesn’t count for much.

They’ve tightened these rules last week. Why would they be suddenly gone? It doesn’t make sense. I understand people want to be optimistic and such but as long as the rules are tied to revenue which we are severely limited in how we can increase it we have little hope.

As long as the rules are tied to Revenue and our revenues are limited by related party rules we are scrweed. The framework which is known is already enough to know this.

No reason for these numbers not to be accurate given its public information. In my mind for us, our best case scenario now is becoming an A Madrid who've been successful way beyond what can be imagined so I went to look up the numbers for them: All figures in M;s and euros: Financial year: 2021/22, revenue: 372.24 Financial year: 2020/21, revenue: 345.92 Financial year: 2019/20, revenue: 322.00 Financial year: 2018/19, revenue: 368.00 Financial year: 2017/18, revenue: 304.00 Financial year: 2016/17, revenue: 273.00 Financial year: 2015/16, revenue: 229.00 Financial year: 2014/15, revenue: 187.00 Financial year: 2013/14, revenue: 170.00 Financial year: 2012/13, revenue: 120.00 Financial year: 2011/12, revenue: 108.00 Financial year: 2010/11, revenue: 100.00 Financial year: 2009/10, revenue: 125.00 Financial year: 2008/09, revenue: 105.00 And this to be is worrying and really shows how fucked we are, we are already close to the revenue they have in a much more competitive league, as a good measuring stick, lets take a look at the massivly mismanaged club known as Bara: 2021/22: 638.00 2020/21: 582.00 2019/20: 713.00 2018/19: 841.00 2017/18: 690.00 2016/17: 648.00 2015/16: 620.00 2014/15: 561.00 2013/14: 485.00 2012/13: 483.00 2011/12: 483.00 2010/11: 451.00 2009/10: 398.00 2008/09: 366.00 2007/08: 309.00 2006/07: 290.00 2005/06: 259.00 So basically, the gap never closed despite barca being run by a bunch of clowns and A, Madrid being really succesfuly. Basically we might be able to to challenge but it wont be sustainable.

Haha your welcome, not sure it’s knowledge more common sense mind. I know the predictions are bleak and I wish they weren’t. Thinking about it makes me want to just give up on football tbh, never imagined me either feeling that way, even during Ashley I still loved the game but what’s happening now is even more egregious, we had hope he’d fuck off and we’d be able to compete again, now that hope has been taken away.

Sorry, I think it’s real important us as fans understand what’s going on. I’m sure you’d rather get fucked knowingly rather than unknowingly and if we do nought the ones who are getting fucked as us fans, nobody else.

Absolutely, and these teams are always looking over the shoulder to see who’s coming behind them, once you understand this you realise why they always vote for these rules. They know they aren’t competing with Manchester United, they are competing with teams who are actually bigger than them but in the championship, so if we rules which stop them from growing whilst we maintain both a financial and competitive advantage it would take a massive fuck up for us to lose our spot on the gravy train. If your Steve parish Palaces valuation going up YOY by remaining in the league is far more enticing then loosening rules and creating more competition for yourself. Capitalism devours all, why would football be an exception?

Actually if you take a step back the issue is the regulation of the industry, right now we have a cartel (and this is the league in it’s entirety actually not just the big6) who are creating rules which are anti competitive. so what we need to happen is the government to steps in and break up the cartel and created new rules which encourage competition. Unfortunately, as you well know the governments are as susceptible to the cartels influence as any of the cartel members are so it would likely still remain the same. the cartel won because it won the pr battle, it successful managed to convince people that FFP was about financial fairness and protecting clubs from themselves and this isn’t the case in both instances.

Fans shouldn’t accept it either, the constraints are artificial and shouldn’t exist. The only thing the fans should feel is anger towards our current owners if we sit by idly and allowed ourselves to become content with our place.

These are business, they don’t want to compete. they are happy with the market share they have and want to protect it, the best way to prevent competition is to limit expenditure. When thinking avoid these rules and regulations think about them from a business perspective not a sporting one.

That’s it and we won’t progress, we simply don’t have the drivers of growth those clubs have. We are disadvantaged compared to all of those six other clubs. So we might have a season like last where we sneak into the CL but that will be the absolute ceiling for us, and likely we’d suffer the same fate as this season as our budget would be cut. Don’t get me wrong, the owners have obviously done well until now but they will have very limit ability to change anything now with these rules. We’ve also shown very little signs of being clever and trying to find loopholes we will be utterly stuck. but if our owners are voting for this stuff it should tell everyone all they need to know, we have no intentions of competing with the biggest clubs.

Either that or they can work miracles, city can spend double what we can every year, thats a hell of a snowball. Not to sound like Floydian but it’s either we challenge these rules or we accept being an upper mid table club with a Leicester sized chance of winning the league.

Welp those ambitions are bullshit then, can’t have it both ways.

Absolutely, as I’ve posted previously if you aren’t bothered about challenging these rules are fantastic, you limit your investment and enjoy watching your paper gains sky rocket because of the growth of the overall league. It’s a really shitty situation for us as these rules are great for anyone who is content.

And as shitty as this all is, it’s far more relevant to our clubs future than yesterday’s game. The accountancy league is in full swing

Yes, that’s correct. Obviously right now with the current FFP rules we are in a pinch that would have eased as the first year of takeover rolled off, with these new rules it’s more straight forward but will give us less margin. FMV is the probably the biggest issue as a lot of our dealings would be related parties (sponsoring us over our rivals makes little sense for most businesses). And obviously this has been regulated to the ground since our takeover.

And it’s rapidly approaching the time we shit or get off the pot. That being said, it appears we have voted in favour of these rules and I would imagine that would discredit any case we have. Without anything changing ie these rules being implanted and us complying with them, we can safely assume the previous stated ambitions are no long a thing and we are happy going along with the status quo.

That’s happened is so typical Newcastle as well. We finally get a chance to compete on level playing field and before a ball has been kicked boom you can’t sign new sponsors. Then right then. You can sign sponsors but we will say how much they are worth now the final nail is your owners are rich? So what they can’t spend a dime as we’ve changed the rules again.

If I’m reading these rules correctly dokko is totally wrong. under the previous rules, the owners could absorb some of the losses, which gave us a small competitive advantage over those who wouldn’t. This is no longer a thing it’s all based on revenue where we are 7th iirc. you tie this in with our other previous competitive advantage (our owners financing via sponsors) this is also now extremely difficult due to FMV rules (which were tightened) and we are basically hard stuck why would anyone sponsor us for a large sum when they can get the money to our established rivals who have a much greater presence than us? It makes no sense to sponsor us over spurs for example. In order to grow revenue you have to be successful, in order to be successful you have to invest. Now it seems like once again we’re meekly accepted these rules (we voted for them on the face of it). As amortisation is included in this calculation we are currently way over the 70%, in fact these rules make any form of large squad changes very difficult (buying an influx of players will hit amortisation, so selling your best players to those with more head room becomes even more of a thing). What that tells me is our owners are just happy to be on the gravy train moving forwards and we will be content with fighting for the Europa league with West Ham. Unless we get rid of FMV rules I don’t see how we progress and even if we did we would breach the tougher rules for clubs in the CL. Tldr these rules actually fuck us harder and they are even more of a stich up than the old ones.

Rough night for us, we didn’t look at the races tonight and played somewhat in to Chelsea’s hands. Impossible game coming up as well, fortune really has been against us this season nothing much has gone our way at all.

It’s even worse than that, as you mentioned the Mackems can’t compete with west ham ever during these rules and that’s no matter what. As with us, the Mackems could be taken over by bill gates and it wouldn’t make any difference. I could be wrong but I’m guessing the new rules have zero headroom for owner investment, so we have business which are prohibited from equity investment, it’s the anti growth coalition Truss spoke about.

Gg, if the rules relating to sponsorship also remain in place we can’t compete under these rules, we need to be successful to raise our revenue and to be successful we need to invest in all areas of the club aggressively. ultimately if we’ve voted for these rules and we don’t challenge them then we hit our glass ceiling already and progressing will be slow and extremely difficult. Absolute farce of a league.