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What a cunt

In reality not to blame but would be interesting to see how they'd go about trying to prove Ashley was willfully negligent and therefore responsible for relegation whilst simultaneously defending the legitimacy of their own OADT which is there to supposedly protect clubs.

Seems like NUST have put something out there. Fair play @Heron

And yet they gained the exact same thing by not putting anything out.

All over the media.

Were you given a reason as to why not?

I just don't know how this could be thrown out when you consider the letters significance in the context of the PL and BeIN being slap bang in the middle of negotiations for TV rights during this whole saga.

Ahhh see, my interpretation was that if SJHL fell within the scope of the PL rules, then that in affect would sink any need for a CAT case as they're bound by the agreement to settle disputes internally, so of that argument is proved to be correct then this would get thrown out.

Great post.

Agreed, but unless I missed it, I didnt hear that type of argument from the QC, just seemed to be centred around under what capacity Ashley signed forms.

Did anyone else think that the argument of seperation for SJHL and the club to be quite flimsy? Seems to me to be the key point to the hearing.

At a total loss for why they wouldn't be all over this. Do the PL have any legislative power over them? If they're threatening to kick us out the league perhaps they have that on NUST as well? Literally the only explanation I have.

Feel like I could argue this case myself.

That's fair enough I do think NUST need to be more takeover centric rather than anti Ashley at the moment and perhaps need to communicate that support a bit more than they have been doing, but yeh, appreciate the debate.

Will play devil's advocate again and ask whether the Trust's strategy is the correct one if it's proving to be so divisive amongst the demographic it represents? Just my personal opinion, but there is one singular issue that ALL Newcastle fans agree on, and that's the ownership issue. Wouldn't it therefore be of more value to the fans, Trust and the club if the strategy was geared towards ensuring the eventual departure of Ashley? Quite how that's manifests itself into a cohesive plan is up for debate but wouldn't that be the best way to engage the fans - by appealing to their 'needs'?

I definitely think the Trust could afford to be more vocal, especially on the bigger issues which all the fans are united on, but the challenge they'll face and will always face is that any wins they might have are affectively meaningless whilst Ashley is still the owner and that's a theme that runs through the entire club.

That's fair play, Heron. I would say though that the more pertinent question for the trust is why aren't these opportunities being identified and exploited in the first place?

Don't like assuming the worst of them because I can't honestly say I know what's going on behind the scenes, but the consistent failure to amplify their message when opportunity arises is amateurish and self defeating.

I'd like to see NUST release something about the upcoming CAT case. Especially as they've been contributing to the fan led review on football governance. Feels like a perfect opportunity to put some subtle pressure out there about how the CAT case jurisdiction challenge from the PL embodies the lack of transparency that all football fans are craving to see the end of, especially moreso now that UEFA have dropped their case against the remaining ESL clubs.

Oh aye, 100% Jones responsible for that, but I was just replying to the comment saying we hadn't improved, when I think we have.

Nah, I think our attacking play has come on leaps and bounds. We're creating more, getting men forward, seem to have an actual plan, defensively though, we're shite.

We have improved to be fair, we're just still crap though.

Irrespective of the implications of the change, the bottom line seems to be that PIF do appear to still be on board...

Would getting relegated be advantageous to Ashley if the CAT case were to run?

Aye, he's gone from complaining about having an embaressment of riches in a defence which was "too drilled" and blamed Rafa for that(which meant he had to park his signature free flowing football), to now saying it's the personnel of the defence that isn't good enough and that's why we're poor defensively as it couldn't possibly be his shit defensive coaching which he's now responsible for that could be why we're shite. Classic Steve Bruce deflection tactics.