Kid Icarus

I don't think so personally like. I think I posted about this a few years ago, but I like seeing players being rewarded for how they play football rather than how they stop football from happening.

Yeah, completely misplaced and with a complete refusal to accept reality let alone explore any journalistic curiousity about why it's a reality. You'd think journalists would be curious about what makes sportswashing effective and maybe do some digging wouldn't you? For some it seems like their curiosity ends when they're able to put it down to people and things either being good or bad, then moralising about it. Completely infantile.

I agree, I think it's probably part of why I think Rui Costa was criminally underrated

I thought he was class, but he was definitely part of that group of the world's best players around the turn of the century that were a level below the best players that came before and after them.

He was absolutely incredible in World Cup 2006 and that team would have won the whole thing if it wasn't for their stupid manager making daft substitutions against Germany imo.

That would your line to draw in the sand and it was many (including mine) with Ashley too, but it didn't stop so many who despised Ashley still turning up every single weekend because their line was different to ours. I've no doubt that there'll be those who are uncomfortable with our new owners who'll still go to matches for the same reason.

it's just as unlikely that anyone would be able to break that emotional attachment in this situation, regardless of what they feel about the ownership.

So by walked you mean that you stopped supporting Newcastle? Because that's a totally different thing than not setting foot in SJP.

I sort of agree like, but then also imagine posting this 7 months ago.

No you wouldn't. You and all of us hated Ashley and wouldn't have dreamed of walking away. and no one's preaching, no one who has a moral problem with who were owned by shouldn't ever be obligated to walk away. It's the 'if you don't like this country you should leave' argument for when people point out that the country's in the shit. It's their club just as much as it is yours and it's not on you to dictate what people can and can't have a problem with.

Or alternatively, you could accept that you're on a forum, that it's a topic that's going to come up time and again, and that it's actually you that can make a choice about whether to engage with it or not instead of joining in. As it's often pointed out, not supporting Newcastle is out of the question, but that's exactly the case for every Newcastle fan with every opinion on the ownership.

Some seem to think this is an indication that Saudi Golf will be the sponsors? Is it not more an indication that they won't be?

I think Christ (the poster) said it best about the people kicking up a fuss over it, including Caulkin, it's because for them it’s 'an ever present reminder of the reality of the situation when all they want is to pretend we’re not bankrolled by a Bond villain.'

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Not that I think this is good or owt, but at least you're honest and aren't trying to deny the obvious.

I love how this argument has dual uses. If our support is criticised by other clubs supporters it's 'well would you give up supporting your club? I can't do that, it's out of the question.' but when our own supporters say they don't like our link with KSA either, it's 'well stop supporting us/go and support someone else'

brain worms

A few posts up from mine. Likening it to our home kit being like Juventus's or Notts County's.

I get being fine with the connection and all that, whatever, who cares. But to tell yourself that there's no connection and that the colour scheme is just some sort of coincidence is wild like.

It would be a pretty shite argument tbf, but I agree that that would be their argument. I wonder if the gospels have much in there about the fixation on hand wringing over the morality and hypocrisy of the individual, while those in power get away with being infinitely more responsible and more immoral, having created a world where its nigh on impossible for the individual to not be some form of hypocrite.

I'd love to see you quote some examples of this. You wouldn't be making things up to make your point would you?

IIRC the UK has been Pagan, Roman Catholic, and Protestant, and as we all know, wars have been started over varying interpretations of exactly the same moral guide (the bible) and England (the crusades) and others commited genocide on a religious precedent, so I'm not sure your argument about a moral framework in a positive sense holds up tbh. I don't see anyone getting riled up tbh, mainly just people pre-empting others getting riled up with ready made arguments or pre-emptively reveling in it. There are far bigger problems with the club's ownership than a kit, I think it's shite (along with the entire connection with them) because it's another instance where some of our fans will lap it up (yes, that dreaded sportswashing), or reduce it to being meaningless, and because the people who don't like it will fixate on the aesthetic rather than the far more important stuff, but it's a waste of energy getting annoyed about that specifically. I agree about your point about other fans feigning how much they care about it, but that doesn't mean absolutely everyone else is.

Morality has always been each person's own.

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