Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 BS is putting in place a backroom set up which will be the envy of most. He employs the latest technology and has data on everything that his players do on the pitch. Given this fantastic set up & database, together with the quality of players he has at his disposal why are we using long ball tactics and playing A Smith in midfield? I am mystified; does prozone not only show where the players are on the pitch but can it also show what they are doing in relation to the ball & at what altitude the ball is at as they do it? Players are spending most of their time chasing & failing to win long balls & then chasing backwards as we get attacked down the vacant wide (our right mostly) areas. Surely the Back Room/ Technology set up should equal more than what BS is producing at the moment. And, I am fan of BS. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/mrbulbous/rofl.gif Tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 the thing with Sam's flair players at Bolton tho, is that even all of them were big, physical, direct players - anelka, diouf, stelios, okocha, djorkaeff (who sam beefed up). and most of them were also very experienced so knew how to play solidly in a system. i don't think he'll ever sign a technical player who is a bit soft. it is a lot harder to find players who fulfill both criteria, and while sam won't buy technical players who lack a physical side, he will sign physical players who lack a honed technique. as for pub team tactics, there has been a bit of that, but in other games we've looked pretty good. still too early to tell what route he is going down, there's some promising signs but also some worrying ones. Djorkaef? Bad example mate. i put a caveat after his inclusion, and when he joined bolton he was 34 and knew how to handle himself. even then he is the one exception. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 We might be 5th in the league but we haven't played a good team yet apart from Arsenal's reserves. Let's hope we can drag the other teams down to our level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 4 out of 6 against direct rivals, 7 out of 12 against those considered in a lower tier. Beat city and we go 2nd for a few hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 the thing with Sam's flair players at Bolton tho, is that even all of them were big, physical, direct players - anelka, diouf, stelios, okocha, djorkaeff (who sam beefed up). and most of them were also very experienced so knew how to play solidly in a system. i don't think he'll ever sign a technical player who is a bit soft. it is a lot harder to find players who fulfill both criteria, and while sam won't buy technical players who lack a physical side, he will sign physical players who lack a honed technique. as for pub team tactics, there has been a bit of that, but in other games we've looked pretty good. still too early to tell what route he is going down, there's some promising signs but also some worrying ones. Djorkaef? Bad example mate. i put a caveat after his inclusion, and when he joined bolton he was 34 and knew how to handle himself. even then he is the one exception. I dunno, you have Stelios down as a flair player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 We have just woken up with an almighty bad hang over after a night out with Freddy, Souness, Roeder & Dougy Hall. It will take time to come round. Little steps, sip of water, bacon sarnie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 We have just woken up with an almighty bad hang over after a night out with Freddy, Souness, Roeder & Dougy Hall. It will take time to come round. Little steps, sip of water, bacon sarnie. I have no idea what this means, but I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 the thing with Sam's flair players at Bolton tho, is that even all of them were big, physical, direct players - anelka, diouf, stelios, okocha, djorkaeff (who sam beefed up). and most of them were also very experienced so knew how to play solidly in a system. i don't think he'll ever sign a technical player who is a bit soft. it is a lot harder to find players who fulfill both criteria, and while sam won't buy technical players who lack a physical side, he will sign physical players who lack a honed technique. as for pub team tactics, there has been a bit of that, but in other games we've looked pretty good. still too early to tell what route he is going down, there's some promising signs but also some worrying ones. Djorkaef? Bad example mate. i put a caveat after his inclusion, and when he joined bolton he was 34 and knew how to handle himself. even then he is the one exception. I dunno, you have Stelios down as a flair player he is, especially by Big Sam's standards, even tho he is also strong, disciplined, experienced and a hard worker. this is what he said about him when he signed: "I have been tracking his career for quite some time and I am confident that he will add a new dimension to our squad. His main attribute remains his ability to make late runs into the penalty area and his flair to shoot accurately from range. He is an attacking midfielder who knows how to score goals." general point i was trying to make anyway, even sam's flair players fit his stereotype. i don't expect him to go and buy Aaron Lennon or Ashley Young, or a similar young flair player who doesn't offer much by way of physicality, discipline or defending. not neccessarily a bad thing, but makes it harder to find the players we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I agree tbh although my point was I think Stelios is shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I agree tbh although my point was I think Stelios is shite. hairy muff. mind u he scored 14 goals in 05/06 season, last season was a total write-off tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 the thing with Sam's flair players at Bolton tho, is that even all of them were big, physical, direct players - anelka, diouf, stelios, okocha, djorkaeff (who sam beefed up). and most of them were also very experienced so knew how to play solidly in a system. i don't think he'll ever sign a technical player who is a bit soft. it is a lot harder to find players who fulfill both criteria, and while sam won't buy technical players who lack a physical side, he will sign physical players who lack a honed technique. as for pub team tactics, there has been a bit of that, but in other games we've looked pretty good. still too early to tell what route he is going down, there's some promising signs but also some worrying ones. Djorkaef? Bad example mate. i put a caveat after his inclusion, and when he joined bolton he was 34 and knew how to handle himself. even then he is the one exception. I dunno, you have Stelios down as a flair player he is, especially by Big Sam's standards, even tho he is also strong, disciplined, experienced and a hard worker. this is what he said about him when he signed: "I have been tracking his career for quite some time and I am confident that he will add a new dimension to our squad. His main attribute remains his ability to make late runs into the penalty area and his flair to shoot accurately from range. He is an attacking midfielder who knows how to score goals." general point i was trying to make anyway, even sam's flair players fit his stereotype. i don't expect him to go and buy Aaron Lennon or Ashley Young, or a similar young flair player who doesn't offer much by way of physicality, discipline or defending. not neccessarily a bad thing, but makes it harder to find the players we need. Fair analysis. This for me is one of SA weaknesses. Although I understand it is part of his greater agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 We have just woken up with an almighty bad hang over after a night out with Freddy, Souness, Roeder & Dougy Hall. It will take time to come round. Little steps, sip of water, bacon sarnie. that's going in my sig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 this forum is fantasic. Lose a game - Big Sams tacics are useless, whats he playing at? We're not bloody Bolton you know! Win a game - Aye, i knew it. Just had to give him time. Rome wasnt built in a day. I knew he'd get it right. We can finish above Arsenal now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 this forum is fantasic. Lose a game - Big Sams tacics are useless, whats he playing at? We're not bloody Bolton you know! Win a game - Aye, i knew it. Just had to give him time. Rome wasnt built in a day. I knew he'd get it right. We can finish above Arsenal now! Bases.Covered.All. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 this forum is fantasic. Lose a game - Big Sams tacics are useless, whats he playing at? We're not bloody Bolton you know! Win a game - Aye, i knew it. Just had to give him time. Rome wasnt built in a day. I knew he'd get it right. We can finish above Arsenal now! Welcome to Knee Jerk City! We are moving in the right direction after years of going backwards and, according to Mort, were on the brink of going bust. We should be dancing in the streets celebrating our good fortune, instead some knackers want to compare us to a Sunday pub team. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Is this sort of thread gonna crop up every single time we lose from now on then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon55544 Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 this forum is fantasic. Lose a game - Big Sams tacics are useless, whats he playing at? We're not bloody Bolton you know! Win a game - Aye, i knew it. Just had to give him time. Rome wasnt built in a day. I knew he'd get it right. We can finish above Arsenal now! Welcome to Knee Jerk City! We are moving in the right direction after years of going backwards and, according to Mort, were on the brink of going bust. We should be dancing in the streets celebrating our good fortune, instead some knackers want to compare us to a Sunday pub team. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!! Good post, Exactly how i feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I think you anti-kneejerkers are exagerrating. The initial post had some valid points, imo, regardless of whether we win or lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 There's nothing wrong with the post, just like there was nothing wrong with Parky's thread after the Derby match. It might well be that all the niggling faults will be rectified, but generally these posts are well thought out and put forward with some sense of reason, right or wrong. Beats the hell out of "****'s a c*nt, get rid of the little waster" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Synthespian Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I think it's fair to say that it's effectively a brand new team that Big Sam is trying to bring together, and he doesn't hide that fact what-so-ever, constantly stating it'll take time but that there's more to come. Ok, so his 4-3-3 never won fans at Bolton for "prettyness" but I think we need to see a team solidify and play a solid game and then start to think about moving forward. The lose of Barton early on has not helped Sam in his hope for that creative midfielder to drive his team forward as he had with Djorkaeff and Okocha. Now ... look at that new team: harper BEYE ROZENHAL taylor ENRIQUE SMITH GEREMI butt martins milner VIDUKA Over half the team! C'mon guys. I live in London, but managed to get a good seat for the game against Barnsley. It wasn't pretty. thought Cacapa (also a new man) did fantastically well, as did Enrique even if he looked totally unfit. And I know the feeling! Let's give Sam some time. Let's consider that we've got a long way to go. Let's also remember that we are currently 5th. We've got a fantastic start to the season (in our fixtures) and we can continue the results and form, we should be in the same place come January, and then we should see some real performances once they're all a bit more settled, and can kick on and finish the season in that top 6 - which after the last few seasons, the takeover, and the rebuilding - it will be a great performance. And then they can all go for a pint! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 My post was made after a reflection of what I have seen so far in PL games; not simply because we had been soundly beaten by Arsenal reserves in the Carling Cup. We played well against Bolton although they didn't turn up. We struggled badly against Villa & could well have lost - we were very easy to contain that game We twice led against 'boro, drew & performed ok We struggled against a 10 man Wigan team & scored a late winner We were awful against Derby We were outplayed by WH in the 1st half but took control once the shape was changed In each of these games our main tactic has been route one (even against Derby). We don't have the players or team shape (currently) to make a success of route one play. We either don't win possession in the first place & our imbalanced shape gets exploited or, on the few occasions where we do win first or second ball we don't have many options & none wide right. We have not scored a goal via route one this season (Owen missed a good chance when a Wigan defender fell over). Of our 9 league goals 5 have come from crosses from the left, 1 form the right (when Martins not Smith was there), we have also had an individual goal from Zog cutting in from the left, a wicked deflected shot for Martins (some may call that a route one goal - I don't) the other was direct from a free kick from the right. I can't say what goals we have conceded via a counter attack following giving up possession from an attempted long ball. To my mind we should be looking at this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You cant build a sky scraper without first digging a hole in the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You cant build a sky scraper without first digging a hole in the ground. We aren't building sky scraper; we are using tactics that suggest we are playing one up front. As I say, the back room is looking great, the defence is vastly strengthened. This doesn't stop tactics changing at the same time as your post would suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Yes I know. I am a little concerend over tatics but looking at the whole picture now, I am much happier. If we are still the same at Christmas I'll start and become a bit more concerned but while we are still in the early stages of the season I shall remain relaxed about the current setup, tactics and sqaud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Yes I know. I am a little concerend over tatics but looking at the whole picture now, I am much happier. If we are still the same at Christmas I'll start and become a bit more concerned but while we are still in the early stages of the season I shall remain relaxed about the current setup, tactics and sqaud. I think that is how a lot of fans feel; I feel that it is a problem & is one that could be addressed quite quickly; so why wait? If Sam's 1st half set up/ tactics against WH played his set up/ tactics after 60 mins of the same game I'd take the 2nd half team to beat the 1st half team 8 or 9 times out 10. Yet Sam reverted to type next game - long ball, no width on the right, Smith midfield. What happened; Arsenal's kids took us apart. I am happy & positive. This is intended as constructive post. Not a we are crap, get rid jibe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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