Alan Smith

[Ronaldo]

I'm not blaming the board for the fact we have obsolete striking options.

 

I'm blaming them because we've had all summer to sort it out and it hasn't been, simple as that. There are teams out there who would pay £3m for Shola and there are teams out there who'd pay a similar amount for Smith

 

Wtf? First of all, it was well documented that several clubs have had offers for Shola accepted, but he simply won't budge - how's that our fault? As for Smith... erm, who the f*** has made an offer for him then? So it's the board's fault for: 1, not being able to change free will of a human being. and 2, not making other clubs bid for our players.

 

 

being on first name terms with Shola for a while I know that if the guy knew he wasn't wanted he'd fuck off, no question. No way he'd drag his heels unless convinced he had a job to do here. As for Smith, he's ex Man U, played for England as recently as last season, you dont think if we made him available teams wouldn't bite?

[Skirge]

God I hope Everton do want Smith, save us a fkn fortune in wasted wages..

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I'm not blaming the board for the fact we have obsolete striking options.

 

I'm blaming them because we've had all summer to sort it out and it hasn't been, simple as that. There are teams out there who would pay £3m for Shola and there are teams out there who'd pay a similar amount for Smith

 

Wtf? First of all, it was well documented that several clubs have had offers for Shola accepted, but he simply won't budge - how's that our fault? As for Smith... erm, who the f*** has made an offer for him then? So it's the board's fault for: 1, not being able to change free will of a human being. and 2, not making other clubs bid for our players.

 

 

being on first name terms with Shola for a while I know that if the guy knew he wasn't wanted he'd fuck off, no question. No way he'd drag his heels unless convinced he had a job to do here. As for Smith, he's ex Man U, played for England as recently as last season, you dont think if we made him available teams wouldn't bite?

 

Player in last year of contract, no extension discussions.

 

Bids accepted for said player.

 

How black and white does he want it spelt out that he has no future here?

[Skeletor]

Been reading Toffeeweb forum and apparently Smith has only looked shit because everyone fails here, he was played in the wrong position and our training is shit  . Hey, whatever gets him out of here!

[Guest elbee909]

Been reading Toffeeweb forum and apparently Smith has only looked shit because everyone fails here, he was played in the wrong position and our training is shit  . Hey, whatever gets him out of here!

 

Okay, he can replace Lee Carsley.  Thanks.

[Skeletor]

Been reading Toffeeweb forum and apparently Smith has only looked s*** because everyone fails here, he was played in the wrong position and our training is s***  . Hey, whatever gets him out of here!

 

Okay, he can replace Lee Carsley.  Thanks.

 

That is some of their opinions actually .

[afar]

I'm not blaming the board for the fact we have obsolete striking options.

 

I'm blaming them because we've had all summer to sort it out and it hasn't been, simple as that. There are teams out there who would pay £3m for Shola and there are teams out there who'd pay a similar amount for Smith

 

Wtf? First of all, it was well documented that several clubs have had offers for Shola accepted, but he simply won't budge - how's that our fault? As for Smith... erm, who the f*** has made an offer for him then? So it's the board's fault for: 1, not being able to change free will of a human being. and 2, not making other clubs bid for our players.

 

 

being on first name terms with Shola for a while I know that if the guy knew he wasn't wanted he'd f*** off, no question. No way he'd drag his heels unless convinced he had a job to do here. As for Smith, he's ex Man U, played for England as recently as last season, you dont think if we made him available teams wouldn't bite?

 

I'm really confused about the Shola situation, why hasn't he moved ? Is it him or the club. I agree with Ronaldo, if we put Shola on the transfer list, I'm sure he would go. Got the feeling though that he has been told he still has a chance here. Where I disagree with Ronaldo here is the amount, I would puthim out there for 1 million I would even accept half of that if we didn't get anyone to bite, the likes of Hull, Fulham, Stoke, Norwich and Ipswich I think would take him. And he would go if we placed him on the transfer list.

 

I made a point earlier in the close season about the need to be pretty agressive at getting rid of the dead wood. I argued that we should make players available for bargain prices to generate interest and get rid. I would put Smith out there for 1 - 1.5 mill, if we did and made it clear to him that he had no future with us, then he would go in a shot, some foolish team would write us a cheque. OK so we loose 5 million on our initial investment but we save 10 million on his wages.

 

Bottom line is, if we were really serious about getting rid of either or both, I think we could. I tend to agree with Ronaldo, someone either Ashley, Jimenez/Wise or Keegan has made the decision that our striking options are adequate.

[Guest Sniffer]

ameobi hasn't moved because he wants to milk us for as long as he possibly can probably until his contract runs out. Not that difficult to understand really.

[Ronaldo]

ameobi hasn't moved because he wants to milk us for as long as he possibly can probably until his contract runs out. Not that difficult to understand really.

 

na, he's not moved because someone within our hierarchy in unable to go out there and find a replacement.

[Baggio]

ameobi hasn't moved because he wants to milk us for as long as he possibly can probably until his contract runs out. Not that difficult to understand really.

 

na, he's not moved because someone within our hierarchy in unable to go out there and find a replacement.

 

Roeder was on Sky Sports news the other day and said the club won't mind people knowing they've put Shola up for sale but Norwich can't afford him.

 

He could have gone to Stoke but turned them down, Ipswich were in for him and said they never heard back from his agent.

 

He's here to sit on the final year of his contract.

[Guest Sniffer]

I disagree. Ameobi had the opportunities to move. If he wanted to go, the clubs would've found a a way.....like a pound a week.

 

 

[Ronaldo]

ameobi hasn't moved because he wants to milk us for as long as he possibly can probably until his contract runs out. Not that difficult to understand really.

 

na, he's not moved because someone within our hierarchy in unable to go out there and find a replacement.

 

Roeder was on Sky Sports news the other day and said the club won't mind people knowing they've put Shola up for sale but Norwich can't afford him.

 

He could have gone to Stoke but turned them down, Ipswich were in for him and said they never heard back from his agent.

 

He's here to sit on the final year of his contract.

 

If someone had told him he was surplus to requirements he would have left, no doubt in my mind

[Guest Sniffer]

If ameobi doesn't think he's surplus to requirements then you and him are the only two who aren't aware of it.

[Ronaldo]

I dont know how much of this thread you've read but I made it quite clear that I think Ameobi is a waste of space and very much surplus to requirements. Stop diving in with two feet.

 

If the club had told Ameobi he wouldn't be a part of their plans this season he would have left, i'm sure of it. But I think there's been a lot of indecision behind the scenes and as a result we're left with 2 donkeys

[Guest Mucky01]

nufc.com are trying to rally support for Smith now. “Wor Al”

[Mag-ic]

Tabloid talk of a move to Everton seems unlikely, given our current injury, fitness and recruitment issues, which means he looks being "wor Al" for some time to come.

 

On that basis we're resolving to accentuate the positive where Smith is concerned and give him every possible encouragement on the field.

 

You're welcome to join us - and hopefully he might respond by even having the odd shot when in the vicinity of the opposition goal...

 

 

 

Not rallying support as such. A veiled request to not boo when his name is read out on Wednesday. Quite right too.

[Shak]

Has a player ever been booed simply for being absolutely shite before, with no off the field factors coming into play?

[Guest neesy111]

Has a player ever been booed simply for being absolutely shite before, with no off the field factors coming into play?

 

viana v wolves, afta tht stinker in marseille

[Ronaldo]

Has a player ever been booed simply for being absolutely s**** before, with no off the field factors coming into play?

 

viana v wolves, afta tht stinker in marseille

 

yep, everyone got it that day

[Kimbo]

Been reading Toffeeweb forum and apparently Smith has only looked s*** because everyone fails here, he was played in the wrong position and our training is s***  . Hey, whatever gets him out of here!

 

I hope Moyes see's it that way aswell.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Owen, Viduka and Martins are the only strikers we have. Two of which are injury prone. Smith and Shola cannot be considered strikers. That suggests to me that we should already have a new striker in the squad

 

They're both still burning a huge hole in our resources.

 

I know that, but all the same we've had 2 months to sort the problem and here we are still with it. And it's a bloody serious one

 

What if the budget isn't there?

 

Why isn't it there? We've got a small enough squad!

 

Speculate to accumulate.

 

We've got a small squad but up front we're well stocked, you can't go adding extra strikers to make up the numbers when you've already got 6 of them that featured last season still here.

 

we're nowhere near well stocked. On the balance sheet yes, perhaps. On the pitch we have ONE, ONE ffs who we can rely on to be fit and perform

 

We've got 6 strikers on our books, you can't just keep adding more without getting rid of the s*** and all the crying in the World won't change that.

 

 

 

Right , so you need 4 players. You have 1 who is generally fit and performs well, 2 that peform well but cannot be relied on to be available, and 2 that cannot be considered adequate players for that role.

 

You're still nowhere near having the 4 players you need. As Shearergol said, that's why you cant run a football club like a business and why you can view players like assets

 

We've got 6 strikers on our books, you can't just keep adding more without getting rid of the s*** and all the crying in the World won't change that.

 

Why is it difficult to understand? We've got six strikers. They've each got a wage bill. We're not going to add another striker until we get rid of the current ones. We can't shift one of the current one's cos they're dogshite, like you say. And that's not our fault in the slightest. It's just tough luck; if you want to blame anyone, blame Allardyce - not the current board.

 

 

the reason people, including me, are dissagreeing with you is not because they dont understand what you are saying, but because we believe that you are wrong. i understand you point perfectly, and you do have one, but if we lose martins and owen for long periods next season, entirely possible, than it could cost us even more than signing one extra striker. we need another good striker, if we cannot afford one without risking the solvency of the club, then that is fine, i accept that, otherwise we need to buy one. i doubt that is the case though.

[mrmojorisin75]

I'm not blaming the board for the fact we have obsolete striking options.

 

I'm blaming them because we've had all summer to sort it out and it hasn't been, simple as that. There are teams out there who would pay £3m for Shola and there are teams out there who'd pay a similar amount for Smith

 

Wtf? First of all, it was well documented that several clubs have had offers for Shola accepted, but he simply won't budge - how's that our fault? As for Smith... erm, who the f*** has made an offer for him then? So it's the board's fault for: 1, not being able to change free will of a human being. and 2, not making other clubs bid for our players.

 

 

being on first name terms with Shola for a while I know that if the guy knew he wasn't wanted he'd f*** off, no question. No way he'd drag his heels unless convinced he had a job to do here. As for Smith, he's ex Man U, played for England as recently as last season, you dont think if we made him available teams wouldn't bite?

 

I'm really confused about the Shola situation, why hasn't he moved ? Is it him or the club. I agree with Ronaldo, if we put Shola on the transfer list, I'm sure he would go. Got the feeling though that he has been told he still has a chance here. Where I disagree with Ronaldo here is the amount, I would puthim out there for 1 million I would even accept half of that if we didn't get anyone to bite, the likes of Hull, Fulham, Stoke, Norwich and Ipswich I think would take him. And he would go if we placed him on the transfer list.

 

I made a point earlier in the close season about the need to be pretty agressive at getting rid of the dead wood. I argued that we should make players available for bargain prices to generate interest and get rid. I would put Smith out there for 1 - 1.5 mill, if we did and made it clear to him that he had no future with us, then he would go in a shot, some foolish team would write us a cheque. OK so we loose 5 million on our initial investment but we save 10 million on his wages.

 

Bottom line is, if we were really serious about getting rid of either or both, I think we could. I tend to agree with Ronaldo, someone either Ashley, Jimenez/Wise or Keegan has made the decision that our striking options are adequate.

 

very much agreed afar, about being aggressive in getting shot of the dead wood

 

there's enough money floating about in the game these days that if smith became available for 1.5m the likes of wigan/mackems/west ham (maybe)/'boro not to mention the promoteds would be beating a path to our fucking door

 

same for shola especially from the promoted teams, and duff from similar clubs to smith

 

lets imagine 5m in fees for the three of them plus the wages saving combined, instead look at what we're facing next season...that 5m might have bought say derdiyok or whatever his name is

 

it was my biggest fear with kk maybe, when SA was sacked i just thought we needed a manager to come in and say "you're not good enough, fuck off son" and stick a bairn in instead til he got the message

 

how much is down to kk and how much to the board is another question but i sincerely hope kk didn't look at smith, duff & shola last season and see something, that would be the most worrying of all

[Wullie]

KK binned Duff, Smith and Shola as soon as he got a chance and lo and behold, that was when we started winning games (the former two anyway, Shola wasn't getting a kick to start with). He knows full well that the three of them are clowns but his hands are tied because no-one else will take them off us.

[mrmojorisin75]

KK binned Duff, Smith and Shola as soon as he got a chance and lo and behold, that was when we started winning games (the former two anyway, Shola wasn't getting a kick to start with). He knows full well that the three of them are clowns but his hands are tied because no-one else will take them off us.

 

can't and won't believe that, as afar says above it could be done but we'd have to take the hit on fees

 

ain't gonna happen is it?

 

oh and if he knows they're THAT bad then why not throw in zamblera or another bairn instead of them...why give shite the never ending chance to keep proving themselves shite?  never understood this, we know duff won't beat a man or create a goal, we know smith won't score and the same for ameobi...so what is the fucking point carrying on with them other than we pay them more than the bairns and they're "experienced"

 

$10 crack whores are experienced as well, lets chuck them in for a laugh too

[Wullie]

KK binned Duff, Smith and Shola as soon as he got a chance and lo and behold, that was when we started winning games (the former two anyway, Shola wasn't getting a kick to start with). He knows full well that the three of them are clowns but his hands are tied because no-one else will take them off us.

 

can't and won't believe that, as afar says above it could be done but we'd have to take the hit on fees

 

ain't gonna happen is it?

 

oh and if he knows they're THAT bad then why not throw in zamblera or another bairn instead of them...why give shite the never ending chance to keep proving themselves shite?  never understood this, we know duff won't beat a man or create a goal, we know smith won't score and the same for ameobi...so what is the fucking point carrying on with them other than we pay them more than the bairns and they're "experienced"

 

$10 crack whores are experienced as well, lets chuck them in for a laugh too

 

Fees has got nothing to do with it, who's going to pay them the disgusting wages they're both on? I'd see them both go for free but they're not going to walk away for a massive paycut.

 

I agree that I'd rather see the likes of Zamblera in, for me neither should ever pull the black and white on again but that's me, most people would disagree with me judging by the amount of people fooled by Duff's showings in pre-season.