Guest Knightrider Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 In his first season he lost his star striker, still couldn't speak the lingo fully and had a squad full of dead wood from Houllier's... ah, I'm not even going to bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G Mac Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 You have to laugh at our fans slating a manager of that quality after some of the duffers we've had recently. He's won more more major trophies in the past five seasons than most of them put together, and on a similar budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We're not Liverpool though. Benitez is supposed to have seriously improved that side...I'm not convinced. Even under Houllier they weren't THAT far behind Man U & Arsenal. They're a million miles behind them (bar last season which was more down to Man U & Arsenal having young squad's in transition) under Benitez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We're not Liverpool though. Benitez is supposed to have seriously improved that side...I'm not convinced. Even under Houllier they weren't THAT far behind Man U & Arsenal. They're a million miles behind them (bar last season which was more down to Man U & Arsenal having young squad's in transition) under Benitez. Well, when Houllier left they were not a million miles from us either. I know which path I would have preferred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Playing devil's advocate to some of your points Knightrider- The professional set up? Is this the club who have just had a long standing director resign for attacking the manager in the press? And have had a couple of failed takeover bids due to a chairman that doesn't have enough funds for a title challenge not wanting to give up his toy? The stadium project that still hasn't started work when it was supposed to be close to finished about now? The top notch scouting network that signed Sissoko after the manager read in the newspaper that Everton had a bid accepted? Got the bargain Pennant for a fee rising to £8m or something ridiculous and unearthed gems like Pellegrino, Josemi, Nunez, Gonzalez, Zenden? Though there have been some good buys too like Agger, Kuyt and Alonso I think you're going overboard with how great the scouting system is. Seems nothing special from the outside looking in- hit and miss like most clubs. Arsenal are still top dogs when it comes to scouting. The CL success was a great achievement there is no disputing that but I think it was a one-off that papered over some of the cracks in the team and raised expectations too high for both fans and media. I think most would agree they look as far as ever from winning the league again. They actually finished higher under Houllier (2nd) than Benitez has managed (5th, 4th and probably 3rd/4th this year). He added an FA Cup last season but that is more just a reasonable achievement than a great one imo considering the outlay on the squad before and during his reign. I think they are caught between being too good for teams outside Chelsea, United and Arsenal but not being good enough to compete for the title with one single league victory against the rest of the "big four" during his reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G Mac Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Ah right, so last season was just down to the mancs and Arsenal not performing, even though Man Utd finished on 84 points (some transition), and nothing to do with Benitez improving Liverpool? When was the last time we finished on 82 points by the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest G Mac Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Is this the club who have just had a long standing director resign for attacking the manager in the press? Am I missing something? Is that a bad thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We're not Liverpool though. Benitez is supposed to have seriously improved that side...I'm not convinced. Even under Houllier they weren't THAT far behind Man U & Arsenal. They're a million miles behind them (bar last season which was more down to Man U & Arsenal having young squad's in transition) under Benitez. Well, when Houllier left they were not a million miles from us either. I know which path I would have prefered. Liverpool have slightly improved, we've went to the dogs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 We're not Liverpool though. Benitez is supposed to have seriously improved that side...I'm not convinced. Even under Houllier they weren't THAT far behind Man U & Arsenal. They're a million miles behind them (bar last season which was more down to Man U & Arsenal having young squad's in transition) under Benitez. Well, when Houllier left they were not a million miles from us either. I know which path I would have prefered. Liverpool have slightly improved, we've went to the dogs. liverpool have not slightly improved. as for the rest.....erm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Let's just forget the last 20 or so posts and get back to saying how great I am for getting it spot-on about Liverpool this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Let's just forget the last 20 or so posts and get back to saying how great I am for getting it spot-on about Liverpool this season. don't cos i said the same and the more wwe say i told you so the more theyll come back like we did last season. but as for those that said they'd challange chelsea :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Let's just forget the last 20 or so posts and get back to saying how great I am for getting it spot-on about Liverpool this season. don't cos i said the same and the more wwe say i told you so the more theyll come back like we did last season. but as for those that said they'd challange chelsea :roll: Are you a wrestler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 mackems.gif blink.gif :bigbro: Wow, that was funny, Big Chief Thick Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Aye, you were spot on, Nut, I'm really surprised at how poor they've been. Benitez' selection policy is absolutely ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dermot Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. Agreed. Apart from goalkeepers, they are far better from us in every department. I'd give anything to have their defence and midfield, infact there strikerforce is argueabley their weakest position. ........ don't change the fact we have better fans. bluewink.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dermot Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. ........ don't change the fact we have better fans. bluewink.gif 50,000 Topless Geordies can't be wrong.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. ........ don't change the fact we have better fans. bluewink.gif 50,000 Topless Geordies can't be wrong.......... Glad you agree. We got scarves at the weekend,does liverpool hand out stereos or........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. ........ don't change the fact we have better fans. bluewink.gif 50,000 Topless Geordies can't be wrong.......... Glad you agree. We got scarves at the weekend,does liverpool hand out stereos or........ Just through shit around... literaly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Top and bottom of it is, they're only a strike force better than us. You are absolutely s**ting me. Thats the funniest thing i've ever read on these forums. What's funny about it? We've conceded fewer, I wouldn't say their midfield is much better than ours (particularly with Gerrard out of position), only difference is, albeit the most important difference, they're scoring and winning their home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kenton Magpie Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I think the league table represents how much "better" we are than 'pool and they arent even playing well :bigbro: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Given > Reina Finnan > Carr Carragher > Taylor Agger/Hyypia > Moore Riise > Babayaro Gerrard > Milner Alonso > Emre Sissoko > Parker Duff > Gonzalez Kuyt > Ameobi Martins > Crouch I agree with most of what you've said in this thread Nut, but Liverpool have a far, far better side than us - on paper and in reality. Their midfield is a million times better than ours, we're only stronger on the left flank. We may have conceded less goals, but their defenders are far superior to Bramble and co. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I don't mean in squad ability, I mean the way they're playing this season. Them at their best and us at our best and they'd be the better side. But just going on the first dozen games, it's only the strikers that's the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I don't mean in squad ability, I mean the way they're playing this season. Them at their best and us at our best and they'd be the better side. But just going on the first dozen games, it's only the strikers that's the difference. Oh right, in that sense then yeh i'd agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 But how long has it been since we've been at our best?? We're just consistently shit or consistently inconsistenty which consistently frustrates the fuck out of me blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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