Is N'Zogbia's exit inevitable? (Maybe not - Page 24!)

[Dave]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

[Ronaldo]

did Beckham demand a starting role in his favoured position at 21? did he fuck.

 

N'zogbia's a cunt, just like the Jenas and Gomas of this world who want to sit in up-market cafes in Central London sipping coffee and pissing about with their laptop/ipod simulataneously while praying someone doesn't come past shouting 'good game mate.'

 

he's a cunt and he isn't important enough to the team (Bellamy) for me to overlook that

 

[Dokko]

Gutted he's acting like this. Really hope he sorts himself out and makes a go of it.

 

I'd refuse to sell him in this Country though, and i would make it known to him he won't be living in London anytime soon.

 

Bloody idiot to be going on like this considering his game is still very patchy, he's nowhere near how goods he thinks he is.

 

3 years after this season? We could literally ruin his entire career if we wanted too in that time, would be a harsh lesson learned, but its worth doing in some respects, even at a financial cost to ourselves.

 

 

[Dave]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6977585.stm

 

September 2007:

"I am happy to sign my contract and I see my future with Newcastle because it is a great club," said N'Zogbia.

 

"At the end of last season I thought I might leave as I was unhappy but it is all different now with the new boss."

 

He added: "I have always loved the city, the fans and the club and wanted to stay here.

 

"I'm delighted now that I'm playing and I'm really enjoying my football."

 

Alright so even assuming he had some mental kind of loyalty to Allardyce for some reason and was disgusted he was sacked(!), even then it makes no sense given that Keegan is a much more attack-minded manager. All the shit with Roeder is in the past.

 

He has an attitude problem, and it's that simple iyam.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

New season, new signing on fee

 

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43056000/jpg/_43056397_williemckay_snsb203.jpg

[fredbob]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club.

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

[Thespence]

Keegan often talks about players "around the place" & I am pretty certain that is why Alan Smith makes the bench & Charles is in the stands. Keegan wont be seen playing or having a player on the bench who hasn't put the effort in during at the training ground.

 

Murtagh touched on it in his interview in the Mag.

[OzzieMandias]

Ollie Bernard Part II.

[madras]

Ollie Bernard Part II.

more jenas i think.

[Guest MrShens]

did Beckham demand a starting role in his favoured position at 21? did he f***.

 

N'zogbia's a c***, just like the Jenas and Gomas of this world who want to sit in up-market cafes in Central London sipping coffee and pissing about with their laptop/ipod simulataneously while praying someone doesn't come past shouting 'good game mate.'

 

he's a c*** and he isn't important enough to the team (Bellamy) for me to overlook that

 

 

truth

 

Though N'Zogbia could turn out to be an absolute revelation in a couple of years time, given the right guidance.  He's already got flashes of talent but his attitude is appalling.  Shame but if he wants to go then no club should stop a player.

[madras]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

[fredbob]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

[madras]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

[fredbob]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club.

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

[madras]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

 

 

[fredbob]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

 

 

 

Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty?

 

Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation.

 

I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country.

 

I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances.

 

 

 

 

[Dave]

But he told us all he WAS happy in September when committing to the next four years here, and he WAS performing pretty well. Now he's changed his mind again.

[madras]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

 

 

 

Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty?

 

Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation.

 

I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country.

 

I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances.

 

 

 

 

there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance.

 

i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and  his 5th manager at the same club. 

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy  ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

 

 

 

Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty?

 

Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation.

 

I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country.

 

I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances.

 

 

 

 

there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance.

 

i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club.

 

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[Guest Stephen927]

He has a serious attitude problem. I'd sell him just to ensure it doesn't rub off on the Academy players.

 

It would be a shame to see him leave, I think he has huge potential. But to realise that potential, he needs to realise his shit doesn't smell like roses.

[fredbob]

But he told us all he WAS happy in September when committing to the next four years here, and he WAS performing pretty well. Now he's changed his mind again.

 

Fair enough, it'd be a bit of a cop out of an explanatin if i said i was happy when Allardyce was on board, maybe it was the same then, maybe the fact he's subsequently played in a position he couldnt play as well in that changed his mind, i dunno, im not sure its a sense of much changing but actually being a case of it all not changing i.e not getting in the team where he plays best and changing manager etc

 

Like i say, its a fair point, i'm not looking to change anyones opinion and get everyone to get behind him, but i think it's some of the stick he's got on here is uncalled for, i'd hate to think he got the same treatment when he was on the pitch.

 

All i was saying is that there is a part of me that sypathises with him.

 

Wasnt expecting it to get to this to be honest.

[Dave]

But he told us all he WAS happy in September when committing to the next four years here, and he WAS performing pretty well. Now he's changed his mind again.

 

Fair enough, it'd be a bit of a cop out of an explanatin if i said i was happy when Allardyce was on board, maybe it was the same then, maybe the fact he's subsequently played in a position he couldnt play as well in that changed his mind, i dunno, im not sure its a sense of much changing but actually being a case of it all not changing i.e not getting in the team where he plays best and changing manager etc

 

Like i say, its a fair point, i'm not looking to change anyones opinion and get everyone to get behind him, but i think it's some of the stick he's got on here is uncalled for, i'd hate to think he got the same treatment when he was on the pitch.

 

All i was saying is that there is a part of me that sypathises with him.

 

Wasnt expecting it to get to this to be honest.

 

I sympathised with him when we brought in the woeful Duff to take his place just after his breakthrough season. That was mental. I still think he's got masses of potential and I hope Keegan turns him around, but I just don't see it happening. I think he's being ridiculously short-sighted tbh.

[fredbob]

You're giving him far too much credit. Everyone else at this club has pulled together in these bad times and we're now reaping the benefits. He's decided for whatever reason not to buy into that. It's that simple.

 

Don't forget at the start of the season he was all smiles signing a new contract for Allardyce after playing well at left back. What's changed?

 

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle.

 

Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me.

 

Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club.

 

He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly!

so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

 

Errrrrr what now?

 

 

well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place.

 

pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

 

You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here?

 

My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light.

 

Until then i stand by my post.

 

I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career.

 

Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times.

 

He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion.

 

At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem.

well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

 

 

 

Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty?

 

Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation.

 

I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country.

 

I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances.

 

 

 

 

there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance.

 

i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club.

 

What so you are saying he has had a shitty time now? Changed ya tune a little. That was my whole point, he's had a crap experinece at a young age with things other players havent had to deal with, like losing your father his position in the squad to lesser players and losing his subsequent father figure.

 

Again it comes down to his reasoning for not knuckling down (although it appears he is now according to some Keegan quotes) he's only 1 of 3-4 players (?) from the SBR era, the rest have left. He's stuck it out and maybe the sacking of Allardyce and the lack of involvment again are the last straw....

 

 

Its all im sayin.

 

EDIT: Also i see someone who has had a torrid time at Newcastle and ismaking it clear that he wants out. Im not making excuses for his attitude, i never did but i said i sypathizes with his situation becasue maybe he's had the final straw.

[fredbob]

But he told us all he WAS happy in September when committing to the next four years here, and he WAS performing pretty well. Now he's changed his mind again.

 

Fair enough, it'd be a bit of a cop out of an explanatin if i said i was happy when Allardyce was on board, maybe it was the same then, maybe the fact he's subsequently played in a position he couldnt play as well in that changed his mind, i dunno, im not sure its a sense of much changing but actually being a case of it all not changing i.e not getting in the team where he plays best and changing manager etc

 

Like i say, its a fair point, i'm not looking to change anyones opinion and get everyone to get behind him, but i think it's some of the stick he's got on here is uncalled for, i'd hate to think he got the same treatment when he was on the pitch.

 

All i was saying is that there is a part of me that sypathises with him.

 

Wasnt expecting it to get to this to be honest.

 

I sympathised with him when we brought in the woeful Duff to take his place just after his breakthrough season. That was mental. I still think he's got masses of potential and I hope Keegan turns him around, but I just don't see it happening. I think he's being ridiculously short-sighted tbh.

 

 

Absolutely agree with you, im not trying to play the violins here and say "he's lost his father" we should cut him some slack, im just trying to outline the whole picture with regards to his Newcastle career which other peole maybe arent appreciating.

 

Agree as well that it would be massively short sighted, however alot depends on Keegans choice of formation next year. for me, Zog has no role in the 433 formation.

[TRon]

I said in my first post that we have consistently backed the wrong horse by preferring Duff and this has undoubtedly huffed Zog. Even so, it's water under the bridge now, I'm sure Keegan would want to utilise him in the future but if he's bent on leaving then it's a shame but life moves on.