Mick Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? :band: Can a mod please resurrect a post I deleted from this thread earlier? I can't be bothered typing it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He would rather go on about defending Shepherd to a ridiculous extent and looking for any old petty excuse to have an unfair moan at Mort and Ashley than he would celebrating beating the club's local rivals. Sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He would rather go on about defending Shepherd to a ridiculous extent and looking for any old petty excuse to have an unfair moan at Mort and Ashley than he would celebrating beating the club's local rivals. Sad. What I say about Mort is how I see it. You can interpret it any way you like, slant it if you like. You see, I think people like you are building up Mort and can't see what he is suggesting because you want to indirectly slate Shepherd [who mentioned him anyway ?] are sad, but I suppose thats different. I've no intention of mentioning him again. I hope they get the full potential from Keegan. Beating the mackems is great but I've seen it plenty of times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He would rather go on about defending Shepherd to a ridiculous extent and looking for any old petty excuse to have an unfair moan at Mort and Ashley than he would celebrating beating the club's local rivals. Sad. What I say about Mort is how I see it. You can interpret it any way you like, slant it if you like. You see, I think people like you are building up Mort and can't see what he is suggesting because you want to indirectly slate Shepherd [who mentioned him anyway ?] are sad, but I suppose thats different. I've no intention of mentioning him again. I hope they get the full potential from Keegan. Beating the mackems is great but I've seen it plenty of times. I've read what you're posting plenty times. Never get tired of seeing us beat the mackems though........................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He would rather go on about defending Shepherd to a ridiculous extent and looking for any old petty excuse to have an unfair moan at Mort and Ashley than he would celebrating beating the club's local rivals. Sad. What I say about Mort is how I see it. You can interpret it any way you like, slant it if you like. You see, I think people like you are building up Mort and can't see what he is suggesting because you want to indirectly slate Shepherd [who mentioned him anyway ?] are sad, but I suppose thats different. I've no intention of mentioning him again. I hope they get the full potential from Keegan. Beating the mackems is great but I've seen it plenty of times. I've read what you're posting plenty times. Never get tired of seeing us beat the mackems though........................ didn't say I'm tired of it at all..........read properly man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He would rather go on about defending Shepherd to a ridiculous extent and looking for any old petty excuse to have an unfair moan at Mort and Ashley than he would celebrating beating the club's local rivals. Sad. What I say about Mort is how I see it. You can interpret it any way you like, slant it if you like. You see, I think people like you are building up Mort and can't see what he is suggesting because you want to indirectly slate Shepherd [who mentioned him anyway ?] are sad, but I suppose thats different. I've no intention of mentioning him again. I hope they get the full potential from Keegan. Beating the mackems is great but I've seen it plenty of times. I've read what you're posting plenty times. Never get tired of seeing us beat the mackems though but I'm sick of reading the same stuff from you over and over again didn't say I'm tired of it at all..........read properly man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The trouble with too many Newcastle supporters is that they live in the past - those who were around when we won the Cup 3 times in the 50's always hark back to that ; those like me who were young when we won the Fairs Cup in 69 remember that(as well as the KK first era as manager), and many younger fans think SBRs time was great - the truth is that we have to STOP living in the past. Shepherd's era has gone and gone for ever - if you think he was a good Chairman, that is your perogative, just as it is the right of those who disagree to post their view, but NONE of this stuff is going to change the club. Only the current Board, Manager and backroom staff can do that, so I find these arguments pointless - every few weeks this same topic re-emerges and goes on..and ON...amd ON..... Neither side is going to agree with the other, so its completely pointless ; we have an unexpected chance(which no-one on this board envisaged a year ago)now to regain our self-respect in the Prem and to progress as a club, hopefully to where we all want to be - lets get behind the current set-up and FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ; its gone, won't come back and the indisputable proof of its actions is the fact that we almost got relegated. We didn't even win anything in the 'good' times... This thread started off talking about Mort's comments re signings, i.e., the club WON'T just make them to appease fans. In my view, that is an eminently sensible policy - would Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool do that? I don't think so...half of Wenger's signings were probably unknown to the majority of Arsenal fans, and I wouldn't care if the same thing happened at NUFC - PROVIDED that the result was a successful side... Its nice to speculate on who should be signed - all fans do it - but give the management and board a chance ; look to the future - Shepherd, SJH, Souness, SBR etc etc have all GONE and won't be coming back. Lets hope that one day , we can look back on the next few years as 'Good' times, and with justification this time, not just making numbers up in the CL or beating Man U 5-0 and then spending the next 11 years seeing them treat us mainly as cannon fodder..!! I don't agree Morts comments are sensible. I think they smack of total naivety, If the club needs players for the present time, they need them, which we do, and the better the quality, so much the better. This is where I came in and all I said in fact. Disagree - he is quite correct not to want signings just to appease supporters ; we used to do that even in Joe Harvey's time.. The signings have to be those that make us a BETTER SIDE - nothing more, nothing less ; if they turn out to be headline-making signings. all well and good, but Robert Lee was hardly that at the time he signed for us, yet became one of our most invaluable signings. If you put this point to KK, I'm willing to bet he will agree, and that is the most important thing...I think we can all be fairly sure that the Manager will be the one to finally decide who he wants.. I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? So put your neck out on the line and give us a rough estimate on how much we'll spend? Do you think we will spend little, lots or average? Seeing as though youve seen it all before you should have a rough estimate... personally i think we will spend about £40m and we will sell some fringe players and Zog, noone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 He won't give you an answer because whatever the amount is he'll want to whinge later that it's not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Well we spent £30,240,000 net under Robson in 5 years so that works out at £6,048,000 net a season. So anymore than that would be good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Well The Guardian says that Keegan said that Mike Ashley said after the game that he'd get £250m to spend this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The trouble with too many Newcastle supporters is that they live in the past - those who were around when we won the Cup 3 times in the 50's always hark back to that ; those like me who were young when we won the Fairs Cup in 69 remember that(as well as the KK first era as manager), and many younger fans think SBRs time was great - the truth is that we have to STOP living in the past. Shepherd's era has gone and gone for ever - if you think he was a good Chairman, that is your perogative, just as it is the right of those who disagree to post their view, but NONE of this stuff is going to change the club. Only the current Board, Manager and backroom staff can do that, so I find these arguments pointless - every few weeks this same topic re-emerges and goes on..and ON...amd ON..... Neither side is going to agree with the other, so its completely pointless ; we have an unexpected chance(which no-one on this board envisaged a year ago)now to regain our self-respect in the Prem and to progress as a club, hopefully to where we all want to be - lets get behind the current set-up and FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ; its gone, won't come back and the indisputable proof of its actions is the fact that we almost got relegated. We didn't even win anything in the 'good' times... This thread started off talking about Mort's comments re signings, i.e., the club WON'T just make them to appease fans. In my view, that is an eminently sensible policy - would Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool do that? I don't think so...half of Wenger's signings were probably unknown to the majority of Arsenal fans, and I wouldn't care if the same thing happened at NUFC - PROVIDED that the result was a successful side... Its nice to speculate on who should be signed - all fans do it - but give the management and board a chance ; look to the future - Shepherd, SJH, Souness, SBR etc etc have all GONE and won't be coming back. Lets hope that one day , we can look back on the next few years as 'Good' times, and with justification this time, not just making numbers up in the CL or beating Man U 5-0 and then spending the next 11 years seeing them treat us mainly as cannon fodder..!! I don't agree Morts comments are sensible. I think they smack of total naivety, If the club needs players for the present time, they need them, which we do, and the better the quality, so much the better. This is where I came in and all I said in fact. Disagree - he is quite correct not to want signings just to appease supporters ; we used to do that even in Joe Harvey's time.. The signings have to be those that make us a BETTER SIDE - nothing more, nothing less ; if they turn out to be headline-making signings. all well and good, but Robert Lee was hardly that at the time he signed for us, yet became one of our most invaluable signings. If you put this point to KK, I'm willing to bet he will agree, and that is the most important thing...I think we can all be fairly sure that the Manager will be the one to finally decide who he wants.. I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? So put your neck out on the line and give us a rough estimate on how much we'll spend? Do you think we will spend little, lots or average? Seeing as though youve seen it all before you should have a rough estimate... personally i think we will spend about £40m and we will sell some fringe players and Zog, noone else. I'm not even looking at this summer. I'm not interested in the club throwing out sweeteners to fans in the first summer under KK [to appease them ?] I'm far more interested in the club showing me they intend to get into the top trophy winning clubs and showing me that they understand how its done. By this, I mean buying the best players from poxy little clubs like Blackburn. We need an initial injection to move upwards that needs to be spent well, but believe it or not the mackems are also talking of spending 40m quid. Do you think we ought to be acting bigger than the mackems ? Or do you think the mackems should be big hitters like us ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The trouble with too many Newcastle supporters is that they live in the past - those who were around when we won the Cup 3 times in the 50's always hark back to that ; those like me who were young when we won the Fairs Cup in 69 remember that(as well as the KK first era as manager), and many younger fans think SBRs time was great - the truth is that we have to STOP living in the past. Shepherd's era has gone and gone for ever - if you think he was a good Chairman, that is your perogative, just as it is the right of those who disagree to post their view, but NONE of this stuff is going to change the club. Only the current Board, Manager and backroom staff can do that, so I find these arguments pointless - every few weeks this same topic re-emerges and goes on..and ON...amd ON..... Neither side is going to agree with the other, so its completely pointless ; we have an unexpected chance(which no-one on this board envisaged a year ago)now to regain our self-respect in the Prem and to progress as a club, hopefully to where we all want to be - lets get behind the current set-up and FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ; its gone, won't come back and the indisputable proof of its actions is the fact that we almost got relegated. We didn't even win anything in the 'good' times... This thread started off talking about Mort's comments re signings, i.e., the club WON'T just make them to appease fans. In my view, that is an eminently sensible policy - would Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool do that? I don't think so...half of Wenger's signings were probably unknown to the majority of Arsenal fans, and I wouldn't care if the same thing happened at NUFC - PROVIDED that the result was a successful side... Its nice to speculate on who should be signed - all fans do it - but give the management and board a chance ; look to the future - Shepherd, SJH, Souness, SBR etc etc have all GONE and won't be coming back. Lets hope that one day , we can look back on the next few years as 'Good' times, and with justification this time, not just making numbers up in the CL or beating Man U 5-0 and then spending the next 11 years seeing them treat us mainly as cannon fodder..!! I don't agree Morts comments are sensible. I think they smack of total naivety, If the club needs players for the present time, they need them, which we do, and the better the quality, so much the better. This is where I came in and all I said in fact. Disagree - he is quite correct not to want signings just to appease supporters ; we used to do that even in Joe Harvey's time.. The signings have to be those that make us a BETTER SIDE - nothing more, nothing less ; if they turn out to be headline-making signings. all well and good, but Robert Lee was hardly that at the time he signed for us, yet became one of our most invaluable signings. If you put this point to KK, I'm willing to bet he will agree, and that is the most important thing...I think we can all be fairly sure that the Manager will be the one to finally decide who he wants.. I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? So put your neck out on the line and give us a rough estimate on how much we'll spend? Do you think we will spend little, lots or average? Seeing as though youve seen it all before you should have a rough estimate... personally i think we will spend about £40m and we will sell some fringe players and Zog, noone else. I'm not even looking at this summer. I'm not interested in the club throwing out sweeteners to fans in the first summer under KK [to appease them ?] I'm far more interested in the club showing me they intend to get into the top trophy winning clubs and showing me that they understand how its done. By this, I mean buying the best players from poxy little clubs like Blackburn. We need an initial injection to move upwards that needs to be spent well, but believe it or not the mackems are also talking of spending 40m quid. Do you think we ought to be acting bigger than the mackems ? Or do you think the mackems should be big hitters like us ? So how much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The trouble with too many Newcastle supporters is that they live in the past - those who were around when we won the Cup 3 times in the 50's always hark back to that ; those like me who were young when we won the Fairs Cup in 69 remember that(as well as the KK first era as manager), and many younger fans think SBRs time was great - the truth is that we have to STOP living in the past. Shepherd's era has gone and gone for ever - if you think he was a good Chairman, that is your perogative, just as it is the right of those who disagree to post their view, but NONE of this stuff is going to change the club. Only the current Board, Manager and backroom staff can do that, so I find these arguments pointless - every few weeks this same topic re-emerges and goes on..and ON...amd ON..... Neither side is going to agree with the other, so its completely pointless ; we have an unexpected chance(which no-one on this board envisaged a year ago)now to regain our self-respect in the Prem and to progress as a club, hopefully to where we all want to be - lets get behind the current set-up and FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ; its gone, won't come back and the indisputable proof of its actions is the fact that we almost got relegated. We didn't even win anything in the 'good' times... This thread started off talking about Mort's comments re signings, i.e., the club WON'T just make them to appease fans. In my view, that is an eminently sensible policy - would Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool do that? I don't think so...half of Wenger's signings were probably unknown to the majority of Arsenal fans, and I wouldn't care if the same thing happened at NUFC - PROVIDED that the result was a successful side... Its nice to speculate on who should be signed - all fans do it - but give the management and board a chance ; look to the future - Shepherd, SJH, Souness, SBR etc etc have all GONE and won't be coming back. Lets hope that one day , we can look back on the next few years as 'Good' times, and with justification this time, not just making numbers up in the CL or beating Man U 5-0 and then spending the next 11 years seeing them treat us mainly as cannon fodder..!! I don't agree Morts comments are sensible. I think they smack of total naivety, If the club needs players for the present time, they need them, which we do, and the better the quality, so much the better. This is where I came in and all I said in fact. Disagree - he is quite correct not to want signings just to appease supporters ; we used to do that even in Joe Harvey's time.. The signings have to be those that make us a BETTER SIDE - nothing more, nothing less ; if they turn out to be headline-making signings. all well and good, but Robert Lee was hardly that at the time he signed for us, yet became one of our most invaluable signings. If you put this point to KK, I'm willing to bet he will agree, and that is the most important thing...I think we can all be fairly sure that the Manager will be the one to finally decide who he wants.. I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? So put your neck out on the line and give us a rough estimate on how much we'll spend? Do you think we will spend little, lots or average? Seeing as though youve seen it all before you should have a rough estimate... personally i think we will spend about £40m and we will sell some fringe players and Zog, noone else. I'm not even looking at this summer. I'm not interested in the club throwing out sweeteners to fans in the first summer under KK [to appease them ?] I'm far more interested in the club showing me they intend to get into the top trophy winning clubs and showing me that they understand how its done. By this, I mean buying the best players from poxy little clubs like Blackburn. We need an initial injection to move upwards that needs to be spent well, but believe it or not the mackems are also talking of spending 40m quid. Do you think we ought to be acting bigger than the mackems ? Or do you think the mackems should be big hitters like us ? So how much? I've just said, I'm not looking for an amount of money, but an awareness of what it takes and sadly I think what he has said is complete rubbish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The trouble with too many Newcastle supporters is that they live in the past - those who were around when we won the Cup 3 times in the 50's always hark back to that ; those like me who were young when we won the Fairs Cup in 69 remember that(as well as the KK first era as manager), and many younger fans think SBRs time was great - the truth is that we have to STOP living in the past. Shepherd's era has gone and gone for ever - if you think he was a good Chairman, that is your perogative, just as it is the right of those who disagree to post their view, but NONE of this stuff is going to change the club. Only the current Board, Manager and backroom staff can do that, so I find these arguments pointless - every few weeks this same topic re-emerges and goes on..and ON...amd ON..... Neither side is going to agree with the other, so its completely pointless ; we have an unexpected chance(which no-one on this board envisaged a year ago)now to regain our self-respect in the Prem and to progress as a club, hopefully to where we all want to be - lets get behind the current set-up and FORGET ABOUT THE PAST ; its gone, won't come back and the indisputable proof of its actions is the fact that we almost got relegated. We didn't even win anything in the 'good' times... This thread started off talking about Mort's comments re signings, i.e., the club WON'T just make them to appease fans. In my view, that is an eminently sensible policy - would Man U, Arsenal or Liverpool do that? I don't think so...half of Wenger's signings were probably unknown to the majority of Arsenal fans, and I wouldn't care if the same thing happened at NUFC - PROVIDED that the result was a successful side... Its nice to speculate on who should be signed - all fans do it - but give the management and board a chance ; look to the future - Shepherd, SJH, Souness, SBR etc etc have all GONE and won't be coming back. Lets hope that one day , we can look back on the next few years as 'Good' times, and with justification this time, not just making numbers up in the CL or beating Man U 5-0 and then spending the next 11 years seeing them treat us mainly as cannon fodder..!! I don't agree Morts comments are sensible. I think they smack of total naivety, If the club needs players for the present time, they need them, which we do, and the better the quality, so much the better. This is where I came in and all I said in fact. Disagree - he is quite correct not to want signings just to appease supporters ; we used to do that even in Joe Harvey's time.. The signings have to be those that make us a BETTER SIDE - nothing more, nothing less ; if they turn out to be headline-making signings. all well and good, but Robert Lee was hardly that at the time he signed for us, yet became one of our most invaluable signings. If you put this point to KK, I'm willing to bet he will agree, and that is the most important thing...I think we can all be fairly sure that the Manager will be the one to finally decide who he wants.. I'm pleased to see that you appear to think the trophy winning clubs aren't showing you how they appease their supporters ie by buying top quality footballers to their clubs. Just carry on ignoring it if you like. He appears to be making an excuse for setting out a "sell to buy" type strategy in the long term with stringent limits on the amount the club is prepared to spend on players, ie run the club like Everton rather than Liverpool. I'm sorry if you and others don't agree, but thats what it seems to me, and I've seen it before and heard these sort of excuses, unlike most others. Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later. Why does he have to keep feeling he has to earn himself brownie points by digging at the old board, as UV has said ? Is it to curry favour with supporters - ie appease them ? Just get on with the job, and the good club that you have been left, and improve it if you can, is what he should be doing. I'd think more of him if he acknowledged that they have been left a club very much in a good position to get real success instead of the childish digs. Keegan will do well with the money he gets, but will we get the full potential out of Keegan ? So put your neck out on the line and give us a rough estimate on how much we'll spend? Do you think we will spend little, lots or average? Seeing as though youve seen it all before you should have a rough estimate... personally i think we will spend about £40m and we will sell some fringe players and Zog, noone else. I'm not even looking at this summer. I'm not interested in the club throwing out sweeteners to fans in the first summer under KK [to appease them ?] I'm far more interested in the club showing me they intend to get into the top trophy winning clubs and showing me that they understand how its done. By this, I mean buying the best players from poxy little clubs like Blackburn. We need an initial injection to move upwards that needs to be spent well, but believe it or not the mackems are also talking of spending 40m quid. Do you think we ought to be acting bigger than the mackems ? Or do you think the mackems should be big hitters like us ? So how much? I've just said, I'm not looking for an amount of money, but an awareness of what it takes and sadly I think what he has said is complete rubbish. You're a walking paradox man, you say it yourself thatthe onyl thing a board can do is chose the right manager and back him, well they've done one thing so far and now when it comes down to doing the next thing, its classifed as "sweeteners for the fans" Well do you think we'll spend lots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure You're not wasting your time, at least you’re burning off calories when typing so don't think all is in vain, every cloud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure You're not wasting your time, at least you’re burning off calories when typing so don't think all is in vain, every cloud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure I've told you. I would rather see the club buy quality than quantity and recognise this is what you do. Buying 2 players like David Bentley and kenwyne Jones for 20m+ combined would be far better than buying 6 johnny averages on cheap wages for 30m quid I can't be any plainer than that and if you still don't understand then I can't explain it any differently This is not rocket science by the way, although it seems to be for a few others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure I've told you. I would rather see the club buy quality than quantity and recognise this is what you do. Buying 2 players like David Bentley and kenwyne Jones for 20m+ combined would be far better than buying 6 johnny averages on cheap wages for 30m quid I can't be any plainer than that and if you still don't understand then I can't explain it any differently This is not rocket science by the way, although it seems to be for a few others. That's down to the manager, not the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Btw Jones was one of those Johnny average players last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowndsy Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 i wouldnt be overly bothered how much we spent. it would be nice to spend a fortune but im not bothered if we didnt. if we bought 3-4 players we had not really heard much of but they turned out to be top class players then i would be chuffed i would rather that than spending 15mil on a player who is well known but getting on abit and only here for the money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Btw Jones was one of those Johnny average players last season. As was Bentley...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 No, not how much you think we should spend, how much you think we will spend. Just a rough figure I've told you. I would rather see the club buy quality than quantity and recognise this is what you do. Buying 2 players like David Bentley and kenwyne Jones for 20m+ combined would be far better than buying 6 johnny averages on cheap wages for 30m quid I can't be any plainer than that and if you still don't understand then I can't explain it any differently This is not rocket science by the way, although it seems to be for a few others. Aye so you haven't answered my question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Btw Jones was one of those Johnny average players last season. As was Bentley...... As were 100 other players who are STILL Johnny averages. It's all well and good getting in a bunch of promising young players, but you have to live with the reality that only a small percentage of them will actually become players who will get you into the top 4. You need quality players to get you there, so you can either buy them off the shelf or buy players who you hope will develop into a quality player in 2 or 3 seasons. Of course, if they do develop into a top player you then have to be able to keep them rather than have them move to a team where THEY can get the immediate CL football they will want. You wont easily be able to do that if all you do each year is buy promising young talent as chances are they'll develop at different times and the best will just get impatient and, cajoled by their agents, move on elsewhere. For example Richards at Man City will stay there because they are showing ambition and buying players who can make a difference NOW and probably will have a realistic chance of getting into the CL next year, whereas Bentley at Blackburn, who are at a similar level as City at the moment, will probably move because they are not willing or able to back their manager to the same level as those clubs around them which would enable them to make that step up. Do you think we'll be able to persuade Owen to sign a new contract (when the chairman can be bothered to get around to trying) if all we propose to do this Summer is buy prospects? Do you think the likes of Owen, Martins, N'Zogbia, etc will be happy to just whittle away a couple of seasons out of their short careers in mid table while these prospects (hopefully) develop. I don't. People are asking for estimates of the amount of cash we'll be spending, but it's not about absolutes it's about matching and bettering your opponents. If we spend £10m this Summer, then I'm sure there would be those who will say "well that's what the old board spent on average over the last 10 years", but times have moved on and there is a lot more money floating about now than there was 12 years ago when even then we could afford to spend £15 on a "statement signing". I wouldn't be surprised if £10-£20m was the average spent this year by the teams outside the CL. If that's the case, we should be bettering that. If Spurs, Man City, Portsmouth, West Ham, etc are spending £20-£30 we should be bettering that. Obviously what you do with the money is just as important (maybe more so) as how much you get, but having more makes life so much easier; it lowers the risk factor if instead of buying that £5m 19 year old promising player you buy that £15m 22 year old who has shown they will not just fade into obscurity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I've got a phone video of Mort singing the Blaydon Races in Bambu last night, should I post it up? Bought everyone a drink again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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