So, who's signing in the final week?

[mrmojorisin75]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

 

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ?

 

Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ?

 

Aye, bonkers.

 

If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ?

 

I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point.

 

 

 

The point being the old board had time to prove their worth (and their weaknesses), yet you're not willing to give the new lot any time to prove anything.

 

You point out only the great things the old board did, but only the poor things the new board have done. This is exactly what I'm on about. I notice you've failed to mention their biggest decision so far, which was to bring back the man you worship as manager. Why is that, I wonder.

 

Anyway, let's leave it. Again.

 

this really is showing all the hallmarks of going to hell but i have to pull you on this a bit dave; how much time is enough?

 

the season starts in 2 days, do we just write it off 'cause they're still finding their feet?  or perhaps better phrased do you think we should accept it being written off because they're finding their feet? (not that it's an automatic write off obviously i understand that)

 

NE5 said elsewhere he's put his 3 years money in, doesn't he have a right, if you will, to expect something this season?  next?  when? 

 

when his next 3 years ST money is due?

 

i just don't know

he put his money in under souness and roeder aswell. did he complain about the way that board was taking the club ?

 

seemingly not, but he was happy with that for some reason...you and i might not be but it met his expectations evidently and he's judging this board via the same criteria, i see nothing wrong with that because i'm doing the same

 

i've personally always had a problem, during the Shep years, with the fact we rarely had a complete and balanced sqaud (more accurately that it seemed we weren't even attempting to acheive that goal) and that is the basis upon which i'll be judging MA & co come tuesday morning

 

i'm not saying that in the one year he's owned the club we should have the perfect squad 'cause that's impossible obviously, we're improving but not at a rate (of speed or depth) that i consider satisfactory right now

[Tooj]

Aye because appointing Souness and Roeder met all of our expectations.

[mrmojorisin75]

Aye because appointing Souness and Roeder met all of our expectations.

 

did they?  our expectations must differ wildly then

[Tooj]

Aye because appointing Souness and Roeder met all of our expectations.

 

did they?  our expectations must differ wildly then

 

I was being sarcastic at you said how they met his expectations.

[Skirge]

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[Mick]

Aye because appointing Souness and Roeder met all of our expectations.

 

Our performances under them did apart from when Roeder got us to 7th, by that I mean expectations of performance under those two.

[mrmojorisin75]

Aye because appointing Souness and Roeder met all of our expectations.

 

did they?  our expectations must differ wildly then

 

I was being sarcastic at you said how they met his expectations.

i know, so was i...

[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

how about.....because quite a lot of deals go through at the end of the window when players and clubs have a better view of their options. think owen and rooney for example.

 

you mean to say that most clubs make panic signings and/or loan deals ?

 

Well spotted, and thanks for proving my point.

 

 

what on earth are you rattling on about. neither were panics or loans.

 

well, you will have to ask some of the numerous people that called them panic signings what they mean, not me, as I didn't either.

[Mick]

 

did they?  our expectations must differ wildly then

 

What did you expect from Souness and Roeder?

 

Edit,

 

Seen your sarcasm comment.

[Dave]

this really is showing all the hallmarks of going to hell but i have to pull you on this a bit dave; how much time is enough?

 

the season starts in 2 days, do we just write it off 'cause they're still finding their feet?  or perhaps better phrased do you think we should accept it being written off because they're finding their feet? (not that it's an automatic write off obviously i understand that)

 

NE5 said elsewhere he's put his 3 years money in, doesn't he have a right, if you will, to expect something this season?  next?  when? 

 

when his next 3 years ST money is due?

 

i just don't know

 

Well yes actually, I think the next three years is a fair period of time to judge where we're going as a club. It allows them to learn from their mistakes (they have certainly made some, and that's just what we know about) and it allows Keegan to realise his plans within the basis of his contract.

 

I just don't see why the club should be expected to change everything around in a year, especially given where we were before the takeover. Anyone would think we were already gunning for the top four before Ashley arrived; well I'm sorry but we weren't.

 

Btw I don't see why the fact NE5 has taken advantage of the three year deal keeps coming up. I've done it, as have many others - it's to save me money, it has no bearing on my level of loyalty to the club whatsoever.

[UV]

The club can't lose. The likes of Dave and Baggio will lick their arse for every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

 

I'd like you to point out where I've criticised the club other than disagreeing with selling Milner now, over their slipshod communication with supporters, their sluggishness to address the squad depth before the season started (which we've got away with up to now), and their lack of investment (with club generated money) in the squad should the situation not significantly change from what it is now.

 

I hardly see that as criticising everything they do. I certainly haven't criticised their signings (although personally I wouldn't have spent £10m on a defender from another league, I think that's a big risk), but I'm also not going to proclaim them as some of the best signings the club has ever made based on a couple of games as it seems a lot of others have.

[mrmojorisin75]

 

did they?  our expectations must differ wildly then

 

What did you expect from Souness and Roeder?

 

he's on about the appointment of souness and roeder mick, that the old board appointing them met our expectations and was being sarcy

[Mick]

 

he's on about the appointment of souness and roeder mick, that the old board appointing them met our expectations and was being sarcy

 

Sorry, I edited my post once I'd seen yours.

[mrmojorisin75]

this really is showing all the hallmarks of going to hell but i have to pull you on this a bit dave; how much time is enough?

 

the season starts in 2 days, do we just write it off 'cause they're still finding their feet?  or perhaps better phrased do you think we should accept it being written off because they're finding their feet? (not that it's an automatic write off obviously i understand that)

 

NE5 said elsewhere he's put his 3 years money in, doesn't he have a right, if you will, to expect something this season?  next?  when? 

 

when his next 3 years ST money is due?

 

i just don't know

 

Well yes actually, I think the next three years is a fair period of time to judge where we're going as a club. It allows them to learn from their mistakes (they have certainly made some, and that's just what we know about) and it allows Keegan to realise his plans within the basis of his contract.

 

I just don't see why the club should be expected to change everything around in a year, especially given where we were before the takeover. Anyone would think we were already gunning for the top four before Ashley arrived; well I'm sorry but we weren't.

 

Btw I don't see why the fact NE5 has taken advantage of the three year deal keeps coming up. I've done it, as have many others - it's to save me money, it has no bearing on my level of loyalty to the club whatsoever.

 

i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it?  or two when we get there

 

if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years

 

you can see that right?

 

i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

[Skirge]

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[mrmojorisin75]

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ahhh Boon

[Dave]

The club can't lose. The likes of Dave and Baggio will lick their arse for every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

 

I'd like you to point out where I've criticised the club other than disagreeing with selling Milner now, over their slipshod communication with supporters, their sluggishness to address the squad depth before the season started (which we've got away with up to now), and their lack of investment (with club generated money) in the squad should the situation not significantly change from what it is now.

 

I hardly see that as criticising everything they do. I certainly haven't criticised their signings (although personally I wouldn't have spent £10m on a defender from another league, I think that's a big risk), but I'm also not going to proclaim them as some of the best signings the club has ever made based on a couple of games as it seems a lot of others have.

 

I guess you missed me slagging them off to fuck when we sacked Allardyce then.

 

To be fair you're a lot more balanced than someone else I mentioned, but it'd be nice to see you praising anything they do rather than just popping up in all the bad news threads as seems the case. Take for example how you say we've 'got away with' it so far; we've not played well then?

[Baggio]

The club can't lose. The likes of Dave and Baggio will lick their arse for every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

 

I'd like you to point out where I've criticised the club other than disagreeing with selling Milner now, over their slipshod communication with supporters, their sluggishness to address the squad depth before the season started (which we've got away with up to now), and their lack of investment (with club generated money) in the squad should the situation not significantly change from what it is now.

 

I hardly see that as criticising everything they do. I certainly haven't criticised their signings (although personally I wouldn't have spent £10m on a defender from another league, I think that's a big risk), but I'm also not going to proclaim them as some of the best signings the club has ever made based on a couple of games as it seems a lot of others have.

 

How exactly do I lick their arse? If they do something i don't agree with I'll say so, like loaning this bloke from Valencia for example.

 

Compare that to yourself who defended everything the old board did, appointing Roeder, taking loads out in dividends, running up huge debts that we couldn't shift etc.

 

Your problem UV is that you don't like it when I point out you're grinding your axe, even though it's obvious that you troll the board looking for something to have a whinge about, basically because you're a sad cunt with a chip on his shoulder.

[Dave]

i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it?  or two when we get there

 

if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years

 

you can see that right?

 

i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

 

I've always said we need those 3+ quality players we still need. If they don't appear then serious questions need to be asked, especially given the short-term loan ST holders such as myself and NE5 have supplied, yes.

[mrmojorisin75]

i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it?  or two when we get there

 

if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years

 

you can see that right?

 

i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

 

I've always said we need those 3+ quality players we still need. If they don't appear then serious questions need to be asked, especially given the short-term loan ST holders such as myself and NE5 have supplied, yes.

 

i'm off but my prediction is 2 players the likes of atouba & this uruguayan who's cropped up plus 2 "big" signings, i.e. 10 or 15m signings

 

that'd do me for year one of an imaginary 3 year plan i guess

[NE5]

The club can't lose. The likes of Dave and Baggio will lick their arse for every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

 

I'd like you to point out where I've criticised the club other than disagreeing with selling Milner now, over their slipshod communication with supporters, their sluggishness to address the squad depth before the season started (which we've got away with up to now), and their lack of investment (with club generated money) in the squad should the situation not significantly change from what it is now.

 

I hardly see that as criticising everything they do. I certainly haven't criticised their signings (although personally I wouldn't have spent £10m on a defender from another league, I think that's a big risk), but I'm also not going to proclaim them as some of the best signings the club has ever made based on a couple of games as it seems a lot of others have.

 

I guess you missed me slagging them off to fuck when we sacked Allardyce then.

 

To be fair you're a lot more balanced than someone else I mentioned, but it'd be nice to see you praising anything they do rather than just popping up in all the bad news threads as seems the case. Take for example how you say we've 'got away with' it so far; we've not played well then?

 

I guess you mean me.

 

To also be fair, some people are more balanced than you too Dave, and some are numpties just not worth replying to.

 

I have praised Keegans appointment, as you know, and said the 2 Argies particularly are great signings. But that doesn't disguise the fact that we need more players, the club has taken the money, and don't kid yourself about Keegan, he knows what he wants alright and wants it now despite what he says in public.

 

BTW, in 3 years time, the money we [ie me and you] have paid up front will be finished, and so will Keegans contract.

 

 

[Dave]

i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it?  or two when we get there

 

if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years

 

you can see that right?

 

i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

 

I've always said we need those 3+ quality players we still need. If they don't appear then serious questions need to be asked, especially given the short-term loan ST holders such as myself and NE5 have supplied, yes.

 

i'm off but my prediction is 2 players the likes of atouba & this uruguayan who's cropped up plus 2 "big" signings, i.e. 10 or 15m signings

 

that'd do me for year one of an imaginary 3 year plan i guess

 

I'd be delighted with that, especially given the promise shown by the signings so far.

[mrmojorisin75]

i'd agree three years is a good period, that shouldn't stop me or anyone else from having an opinion about whether they're anywhere near getting where we want to go after one year does it?  or two when we get there

 

if the window closes with the squad as it is now then the next window becomes more critical and consequently more difficult, and reaching our goal will be harder as we eat into the 3 years

 

you can see that right?

 

i brought up the 3 year thing to point out that NE5, and yourself if you were so inclined, has every right to be unhappy if his cash isn't being invested in players on the pitch...i don't know how many people have put in for 3 years but lets imagine it's a lot; if the club keep hold of the majority of that money for the 3 years it would be pretty fucken poor, don't you agree?

 

I've always said we need those 3+ quality players we still need. If they don't appear then serious questions need to be asked, especially given the short-term loan ST holders such as myself and NE5 have supplied, yes.

 

i'm off but my prediction is 2 players the likes of atouba & this uruguayan who's cropped up plus 2 "big" signings, i.e. 10 or 15m signings

 

that'd do me for year one of an imaginary 3 year plan i guess

 

I'd be delighted with that.

 

given how good jonas & colo have looked so would i actually...if it happens then you could actually see tangible signs that point to the direction we're headed

 

if they don't then the signs are equally as clear to me

[Mick]

I love the claim that Keegan of all people is just towing the clubs line while getting shafted from above, I guess Keegan must have a history of being a yes man.

[Dave]

I love the claim that Keegan of all people is just towing the clubs line while getting shafted from above, I guess Keegan must have a history of being a yes man.