Dennis Wise

[mrmojorisin75]

Throw the dwarf down the well

So my football club be free

You must grab him by his horns

Then we have a big party

 

 

genius

[Baggio]

'we move on the next 5 will'

 

5 more managers to come and go to your well run club

 

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing.

 

Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull?

 

If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe.

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him.

 

It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack.

[Guest lktmpl]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract then it makes sense to get rid of him now instead of risk losing him for nothing.

 

They also wanted to shift Smith and Barton, 2 sales the majority of fans were shouting for.

 

It looks like Wise was making the decisions with his head and Keegan making them with is heart.

 

I am going to get shot down now but - id get rid of Owen. The wages and the 'not knowing' are unsettling. Don't kid yourselves - he's leaving, thats why hes for sale

 

Milner asked to leave and we sold him - for a lot of money. Best business we have done for ages. Theres a thread from ages ago talking about profit on players well we made one and still no-ones happy. Milner was'nt good enough. The fact that Keegan said he was clouded everyones judgement.

[madras]

'we move on the next 5 will'

 

5 more managers to come and go to your well run club

 

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing.

 

Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull?

 

If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe.

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him.

 

It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack.

who shafted who ?

 

it comes down to wether keegan knew  he wouldn't have total control when he took the job on.

[Baggio]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

[Guest lktmpl]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

Do you think he'll sign?

[Thomson Mouse]

'we move on the next 5 will'

 

5 more managers to come and go to your well run club

 

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing.

 

Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull?

 

If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe.

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him.

 

It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack.

 

 

Or just thinking that he was employed as a manager (as is in English football), watched Wise et al appear, then watch most of his say on how he could build HIS team disappear.

 

It shows Ashley's complete lack of knowledge of football, if he EVEr thought Keegan would fit into that structure.

[Guest lktmpl]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

 

Exactly - why would we offer him a new contract and then sell him????

 

He wants to leave and i don't blame him

[Thomson Mouse]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

 

Him and the rest of the team.

[Thomson Mouse]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

Do you think he'll sign?

 

A good chance, yes. Not now though.

[GM]

Ah come on now people. We've all loved Kevin as a player and a manager - and we appreciate the fact he wears his heart on his sleeve, and we all know he loves the club with the same deep and abiding passion as we have. But please, do try and take a step back and see things with a bit more of an objective eye - we all know that Keegan (God rest his soul) could be a petulant bastard, and a prima donna to boot.

[mrmojorisin75]

'we move on the next 5 will'

 

5 more managers to come and go to your well run club

 

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing.

 

Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull?

 

If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe.

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him.

 

It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack.

who shafted who ?

 

it comes down to wether keegan knew  he wouldn't have total control when he took the job on.

 

while i agree with your point "total control" can be taken certain ways

 

didn't ashley say KK had the final say?  sure he did, therefore if the rumours of the club trying to sell owen/barton against KK's will are true then he's perfectly within his right imo

 

he didn't need to have total control, even on incomings as we saw he got them playing well so it suggests to me it's the players being sold that was the issue

 

whether wise was the man making those decisions is another matter, could have been ashley who told him/llambias to do it for all we know?

[Wullie]

Keegan was desperate to keep smith but was also doing everything he could to keep him off the field? Righto. If he wanted to keep him it was probably because the crack recruitment team hadn't bothered to buy players before the last day but was more than happy to sell them off.

[midds]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

 

Him and the rest of the team.

 

Do you honestly believe that they tried to sell every single member of the squad?

 

Or perhaps they made it clear that every player had a certain value on his head that would have been too good to turn down...

 

Unfortunately, we don't have anyone that is good enough to be classed as irreplaceable or un-sellable. 99.999% of players in world football would be sold if the right bid comes in for them.

[Guest lktmpl]

Keegan was desperate to keep smith but was also doing everything he could to keep him off the field? Righto. If he wanted to keep him it was probably because the crack recruitment team hadn't bothered to buy players before the last day but was more than happy to sell them off.

 

Keegan was building him up to sell him.

 

Anyway - your post makes no sense - you think Keegan chose who he sold but couldn't choose who he bought? According to the media - if Ashley wanted Smith gone he would sell him regardless of Keegan.

 

Did you want Smith to stay or go?

[Guest optimistic nit]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

 

Him and the rest of the team.

 

 

thats press bullshit designed to make you hate ashley. i dont think we were trying to sell owen either.

 

from what the people in the know have said (no not the press, keegan and that manager assossiation bloke) this is about the potential sales of smith and barton and the purchase of xisco, and possibly sale of milner as well.

[Guest elbee909]

Throw the dwarf down the well

So my football club be free

You must grab him by his horns

Then we have a big party

 

 

genius

 

Yeah, it's alright.

[Baggio]

from what the people in the know have said (no not the press, keegan and that manager assossiation bloke) this is about the potential sales of smith and barton and the purchase of xisco, and possibly sale of milner as well.

 

And I agree with Wise on all of them.

 

Sell Smith.

Sell Barton.

Sell Milner.

Sign a striker.

[Wullie]

Smith would have gone if he wasn't going to have to take a massive paycut for anyone to have him. I want him gone. So did kk. That's why he wasn't even getting off the bench once our strikers were back last season. The idea that we should have kept dennis wise ahead of kevin keegan because kk 'wanted' alan smith is absolutely laughable.

[Guest lktmpl]

We'd have been just as short on strikers if they'd managed to peddle owen, except we'd have had an unproven kid instead of the bloke that has been scoring every week for months.

 

Are you 100% sure we were trying to sell Owen?

 

Base your judgement on what you know not hearsay.

 

 

Oh come on, if it wasn't true the club would've denied any of that a long time ago.

 

"But if the club thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract"

 

You knew that? You must eb well connected.

 

I'd say the people running the club and offering contracts are more connected than us.

 

If they thought Owen wasn't going to sign a new contract even after being offered a pay rise then i don't blame them for trying to move him on.

 

Him and the rest of the team.

 

 

thats press bullshit designed to make you hate ashley. i dont think we were trying to sell owen either.

 

from what the people in the know have said (no not the press, keegan and that manager assossiation bloke) this is about the potential sales of smith and barton and the purchase of xisco, and possibly sale of milner as well.

 

 

To put a differnet spin on it - how would people feel if Ashley wanted rid of Smith and Barton but Keegan wanted to keep them - and thats what he quit over?

 

2 Months ago thats what you wanted

 

[Ally]

from what the people in the know have said (no not the press, keegan and that manager assossiation bloke) this is about the potential sales of smith and barton and the purchase of xisco, and possibly sale of milner as well.

 

And I agree with Wise on all of them.

 

Sell Smith.

Sell Barton.

Sell Milner.

Sign a striker.

 

Would we have replaced them at 10pm on deadline day though?

 

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

'we move on the next 5 will'

 

5 more managers to come and go to your well run club

 

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing.

 

Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull?

 

If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe.

 

But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him.

 

It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack.

 

Based on the Sun?

 

You get more desperate by the week with your devils advocate role, you're kidding no-one though.

[Wullie]

No, ally. We'd have had 20 million in the bank though. Watch out chelsea!

[Baggio]

Smith would have gone if he wasn't going to have to take a massive paycut for anyone to have him. I want him gone. So did kk. That's why he wasn't even getting off the bench once our strikers were back last season. The idea that we should have kept dennis wise ahead of kevin keegan because kk 'wanted' alan smith is absolutely laughable.

 

So Keegan wanted rid of Smith but didn't want to get another striker?

 

Who said we should have kept Wise over Keegan btw?

[Guest optimistic nit]

from what the people in the know have said (no not the press, keegan and that manager assossiation bloke) this is about the potential sales of smith and barton and the purchase of xisco, and possibly sale of milner as well.

 

And I agree with Wise on all of them.

 

Sell Smith.

Sell Barton.

Sell Milner.

Sign a striker.

 

so do i for what its worth, but what i think and what they think are not more important than what keegan thinks, and if you intend on keeping him as manager he needs full support and your trust.

 

of course what we've prooved is that keegan was unsackable, so once they got themselves into this mess they couldn't sack him, then their only option should have been to back him, instead they tried this idiotic arrangement, that was never going to work, and its backfired.

 

their fault, although i can see what they were trying to do.