Those criticising KK for resigning

[catmag]

thing i question though, is why walk now? i don't blame him, but why not earlier?

 

is this to say that guthrie, collo and jonas were kk signings and the board suddenly changed it? i doubt it.

 

i suspect it has always been this way, and he knew how it was going, so why walk now?

 

 

 

 

you fool, he gave them the transfer to fullfil thier promises, and they didnt. so he gave them the choice of doing things his way, they didnt accept it, therefore, he has qit now....simple to understand.

 

Get out of bed on the wrong side CP?

[cp40]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

 

he took the job...then wise and his cronies were appointed you sh!t talker

[catmag]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

 

he took the job...then wise and his cronies were appointed you sh!t talker

 

Enough. Make your points if you must but pack in with the insults.

[Guest yoshi]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

Aye, why not turn every other thing into a "business" and see what sort of world you live in. But you do have a point. Back in the 60s there was sports and there were real fans; now it's the 2008s--there are only businesses and guilible "consumers" like yourself.

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Gullible  consumer   Hardly ... cynical consumer most definitely , everything is a business  these days and I don't think KK realised that . Regardless , he made a commitment to the team,  the city and the supporters then bailed  out under the guise of being principled ... ?  go figure ...

 

What about Ashley's committment to Keegan then? I doubt Keegan was fully aware of Ashley's plans for the club, else we won't have this ugly fallout. And yes, sports has suddenly become a lucrative business. Question though is, is this really good for the game and more importantly, the fans? You can argue that American sports is commercialised, but just look at the greed that has taken over their game, from owners to players to the media.

 

All this talk about Keegan wanting instant success is nothing when you look at how these billionaires and investment groups are snapping up English teams and then pumping tonnes of money in to bring in all big names possible--and talking about honours in, what, one season (just look at Thaksin and Man City)? The issue here isn't that Keegan left bcos Ashley didn't buy big; it's that players were sold/bought behind the back of the manager--and it's the manager who ultimately has to deal with these players.

[cp40]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

 

he took the job...then wise and his cronies were appointed you sh!t talker

 

Enough. Make your points if you must but pack in with the insults.

 

 

 

err is this a new rule, cos this stuff goes on thousands of times a day on here, and ive been called a lot worse, and not seen anybody warned.

 

Though, double standards really shouldnt surprise me on this place,

[catmag]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

 

he took the job...then wise and his cronies were appointed you sh!t talker

 

Enough. Make your points if you must but pack in with the insults.

 

 

 

err is this a new rule, cos this stuff goes on thousands of times a day on here, and ive been called a lot worse, and not seen anybody warned.

 

Though, double standards really shouldnt surprise me on this place,

 

"Errr" you know damn well it's not a new rule.

[cp40]

Professional sports is a business , its lawyers, agents, owners , players , media et all. A football managers job is to run the team he's given. Its 2008  not 1968 , you dont just hire a Joe Harvey anymore and get him to run the team ,sign players , wheel and deal , liase with the media , hobnob with agents etc.  Keegan  should not have taken the job if he wasn't prepared to do the job thats required in the premiership of the new millenia , either that or he was incredibly naiive .His track record as a manager is that of a quitter and I cant really believe anyone can be overly suprised . Keegan may have been the savior once upon a time but now he's just put NUFC back twenty years . Good riddance.

 

 

he took the job...then wise and his cronies were appointed you sh!t talker

 

Enough. Make your points if you must but pack in with the insults.

 

 

 

err is this a new rule, cos this stuff goes on thousands of times a day on here, and ive been called a lot worse, and not seen anybody warned.

 

Though, double standards really shouldnt surprise me on this place,

 

"Errr" you know damn well it's not a new rule.

 

 

Correct, i know, I was simply pointing out the Hypocrisy, of the application of the rules on this site.

[Guest Harry-Norway]

FUCK YOU ASHLEY-YOU MAKE ME SICK-DROWN YOURSELF IN BEER YOU FAT BASTARD

 

FUCK YOU WISE-YOU UGLY LITTLE DWARF-GET A ROPE

 

KEVIN K I ALREADY MISS YOU!

 

WHERE WILL THIS END NOW?

 

WHO WANTS TOO MANAGE A CLUB WITH THIS BOARD

 

TELL ME THAT THIS IS ONLY A BAD NIGHTMARE AND I WILL WAKE UP SOON AND KK IS STILL OUER BOSS

 

 

[Thespence]

thing i question though, is why walk now? i don't blame him, but why not earlier?

 

He gave them till transfer deadline day to prove themselves

[cosmic]

If Keegan wasn't happy then he should have gone earlier in the window so we could get someone else in, if all this has kicked off on the last day of the transfer window then it looks like a very knee jerk reaction.

 

Either way he's left us in the s*** with his actions over the last few days and I'm more interested in how the club are going to turn this around rather than sympathizing with Keegan..

 

Keegan waited to see if there he could indeed bring in his own choice of signings. But when the Board tried to sell his players without his knowledge at the final day of the window. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

By resigning now, he was signaling to all that he tried to work within the system but alas he can do no more and resigned at earliest possible moment rather than participate further in this charade, lest others accuse him later of not leaving earlier like you are doing now

[morpeth mag]

Of course nobody is going to come out of this well; the club; Ashley; KK or Wise. I'm not sure we'll know the straw that broke KK's back but the problem of who controlled transfers was there from the beginning. KK thought he had the final say on all incomings and outgoings but a quick look at the structures suggest that Wise and Jimenez are both on the Board and he is not. The Board set the long term vision and direction and their business strategy of buying young upcoming players just didn't fit with KK as manager.

 

I think in a perverse way the success of Guti and Colo strengthened Jimenez in the eyes of Ashley. It's hard to think these aren't his recommendations even if KK said 'yes' to them. So on deadline day we get two more from the same pot rather than the KK list. You feel that the real issue is that Wise / Jimenez don't rate Milner (for £12m), Smith, Barton and Owen (for £100k pw) whilst KK wanted all four. I tend to back Wise on this but that's because we're all playing FM rather than running a 'team' and KK has a history of getting that bit right.

 

I'm sad that KK has gone but we need someone in to build for the next 3-5 years with a similar view on players as Wise / Jimenez. Not sure if that is Poyet or Marcelino but I'm not sure I'd come to NUFC with potential buyers hovering.

 

We also need better communication; with the fans; with the players and between the five or so people running the club. Not sure how bridges are to be built with the fans if we don't have a string of good results.

 

Another season written off in August / September - sad

 

 

[cosmic]

The next Manager will have to be someone who is comfortable with operating under the current system with others signing up or selling players. He will be strictly a coach only.

 

I doubt any of the current lot of British managers will accept this European concept so it will pretty much be a European coach used to this. Then again, this is NUFC. Who knows what will happed next.

 

Since we are already such a comedy club, we might as well bring in Steve Maclaren. If he can speak Dutch accented English to suit his new audience, I'm sure he has no problems fitting in with the Newcastle United Circus.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

Hand on heart, how many can honestly say they didn't see this day coming?

 

Spot on.  Every non-Toon fan I know said the same thing when he was appointed.  I, like many, blindly accepted KK's return without the slightest of doubts and look where it has got us.

 

To quote Big Tron's comments in another thread:

 

I respect Keegan's decision and his reasons, but I'm disappointed.

 

Disappointed that he couldn't see the spark of a good team and want to take it to the heights

 

Disappointed that his hunger to finish "unfinished business" dimmed so quickly.

 

Disappointed that he didn't want to stay for the city, the fans and his players.

 

Disappointed that all the bastards from the press will be able to say we told you he's a quitter.

 

But it was good while it lasted.

[Guest thommo78]

Of course nobody is going to come out of this well; the club; Ashley; KK or Wise. I'm not sure we'll know the straw that broke KK's back but the problem of who controlled transfers was there from the beginning. KK thought he had the final say on all incomings and outgoings but a quick look at the structures suggest that Wise and Jimenez are both on the Board and he is not. The Board set the long term vision and direction and their business strategy of buying young upcoming players just didn't fit with KK as manager.

 

I think in a perverse way the success of Guti and Colo strengthened Jimenez in the eyes of Ashley. It's hard to think these aren't his recommendations even if KK said 'yes' to them. So on deadline day we get two more from the same pot rather than the KK list. You feel that the real issue is that Wise / Jimenez don't rate Milner (for £12m), Smith, Barton and Owen (for £100k pw) whilst KK wanted all four. I tend to back Wise on this but that's because we're all playing FM rather than running a 'team' and KK has a history of getting that bit right.

 

I'm sad that KK has gone but we need someone in to build for the next 3-5 years with a similar view on players as Wise / Jimenez. Not sure if that is Poyet or Marcelino but I'm not sure I'd come to NUFC with potential buyers hovering.

 

We also need better communication; with the fans; with the players and between the five or so people running the club. Not sure how bridges are to be built with the fans if we don't have a string of good results.

 

Another season written off in August / September - sad

 

 

 

I agree that noone can come out of this well. The club seem to think that it is perfectly acceptable to put a 6 line impersonal statement on the website to expain one of the most monumental things to happen in the ashley history. Typical of the way the club has been run over the past 18 months. Secretive board...fans constantly in the dark. Where are the press conferences with this "management" team explaining to the fans and media what the clubs position is??? The PR is awful and makes the whole fan experience alienanted and impersonal. I feel more detatched from the club than ever before and not by my choice. We are huge stakeholders in NUFC as fans and although we don't need all the ins and outs a little communication and PR would build a lot of bridges......

 

The club look worse to me for non communication...

 

We want the facts...we want the truth..I want to know what Wise does and what is role is in this saga...I want to know who brought players in the KK didn't want...I want to know what Ashley wants out of NUFC cause at this moment...I haven't got a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Phil K]

Claiming he's left us in the lurch again blah blah blah.

Just one question - how often has he done it, and is it 100% of the time ?

For Gods sake stopping living in a sodding fantasy world.

Much as I like KK and wish he was still in charge, I'm not as Mills and Boon-ish about him as 90% of you have shown yourself to be 

 

[robm]

Claiming he's left us in the lurch again blah blah blah.

Just one question - how often has he done it, and is it 100% of the time ?

For Gods sake stopping living in a sodding fantasy world.

Much as I like KK and wish he was still in charge, I'm not as Mills and Boon-ish about him as 90% of you have shown yourself to be 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I love KK, and it is very easy to accept his version of events at face value.

 

But the statements coming out of the club lead me to believe that it isn't as straighforward as that, it if KK had been a slightly more sensible and less volatile character then their may have been a way forward for him to stay.

 

For me this has taken the shine off Keegan for good, I don't know all the facts but that's my instinctive reaction.

[Cronky]

Principles again. Its like saying to KK you're the boss but we don't quite trust your judgement. Yes 12m was great money but look at the bigger picture, we've lost KK over it (and other things).

 

Let's bear in mind that Milner asked for pay rise one year into his contract, and then put in a written transfer request when that was (rightly) refused. If you then get a £12 million bid for the player (and I don't think I've heard anyone say that wasn't a good price) you'd have to be stupid not to accept it. I can't see that the Board are in any way at fault there.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Principles again. Its like saying to KK you're the boss but we don't quite trust your judgement. Yes 12m was great money but look at the bigger picture, we've lost KK over it (and other things).

 

Let's bear in mind that Milner asked for pay rise one year into his contract, and then put in a written transfer request when that was (rightly) refused. If you then get a £12 million bid for the player (and I don't think I've heard anyone say that wasn't a good price) you'd have to be stupid not to accept it. I can't see that the Board are in any way at fault there.

 

If Keegan resigned over selling a player of Milner's calibre for £12m then it's not Ashley that we should be protesting against.

[nobby_solano]

it's the fans of other clubs waffling on about keegan 'being a bottler' again that's pissing me off.

can you imagine keane, o'neill, ferguson, redknapp laying down and taking it, not being pissed off if the same thing was happening at their clubs?!

[steve_69]

Principles again. Its like saying to KK you're the boss but we don't quite trust your judgement. Yes 12m was great money but look at the bigger picture, we've lost KK over it (and other things).

 

Let's bear in mind that Milner asked for pay rise one year into his contract, and then put in a written transfer request when that was (rightly) refused. If you then get a £12 million bid for the player (and I don't think I've heard anyone say that wasn't a good price) you'd have to be stupid not to accept it. I can't see that the Board are in any way at fault there.

 

If Keegan resigned over selling a player of Milner's calibre for £12m then it's not Ashley that we should be protesting against.

 

If everything we're hearing is correct then Keegan was undermined, manipulated, lied to and made to look a fool by his employers. That took away all the trust and faith he had in them - they'd done it once so what would stop them doing it again? It doesn't matter what deal or potential 'solution' they put on the table, once he knew he couldn't trust them there was never a chance he would stick around. IMO Ashley and his team are 100% to blame for this. The first sign that Keegan wasn't happy with the way things were working should've prompted change - that was the only way this could've been avoided.  I'll never stop supporting Newcastle United but my love for the club has diminished after this sorry episode.

[TRon]

Of course nobody is going to come out of this well; the club; Ashley; KK or Wise. I'm not sure we'll know the straw that broke KK's back but the problem of who controlled transfers was there from the beginning. KK thought he had the final say on all incomings and outgoings but a quick look at the structures suggest that Wise and Jimenez are both on the Board and he is not. The Board set the long term vision and direction and their business strategy of buying young upcoming players just didn't fit with KK as manager.

 

I think in a perverse way the success of Guti and Colo strengthened Jimenez in the eyes of Ashley. It's hard to think these aren't his recommendations even if KK said 'yes' to them. So on deadline day we get two more from the same pot rather than the KK list. You feel that the real issue is that Wise / Jimenez don't rate Milner (for £12m), Smith, Barton and Owen (for £100k pw) whilst KK wanted all four. I tend to back Wise on this but that's because we're all playing FM rather than running a 'team' and KK has a history of getting that bit right.

 

I'm sad that KK has gone but we need someone in to build for the next 3-5 years with a similar view on players as Wise / Jimenez. Not sure if that is Poyet or Marcelino but I'm not sure I'd come to NUFC with potential buyers hovering.

 

We also need better communication; with the fans; with the players and between the five or so people running the club. Not sure how bridges are to be built with the fans if we don't have a string of good results.

 

Another season written off in August / September - sad

 

 

 

Agree with that almost word for word, although hopefully the season won't be written off just yet.

[Ant1815]

The thing that concerns me that nobody has yet mentioned is this: If, as many say, you could see this coming and we always knew what Keegan was like, and that there was a certain inevitability about it all.....Why couldn't Ashley see it too?

 

To me it just seems indicative of Ashley's lack of any real understanding of football, and NUFC in particular.

 

Many here blame Keegan for what's happened over the last week, but it's directly down to Ashley's complete ignorance of football that we've ended up here. If he was going to run the club in a continental style, DOF et al, then it's pretty obvious to most that Keegan wasn't the right manager to bring in to this setup.

 

Either way, however you look at it, this has been a monumental screw up by Ashley. He's obviously lost most of the fans and I seriously doubt that he'll get them back again. He can kiss goodbye to his away games with the toon army, and I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with a man who can make such catastrophic errors of judgement in charge of this club.

[Dave]

The thing that concerns me that nobody has yet mentioned is this: If, as many say, you could see this coming and we always knew what Keegan was like, and that there was a certain inevitability about it all.....Why couldn't Ashley see it too?

 

To me it just seems indicative of Ashley's lack of any real understanding of football, and NUFC in particular.

 

Many here blame Keegan for what's happened over the last week, but it's directly down to Ashley's complete ignorance of football that we've ended up here. If he was going to run the club in a continental style, DOF et al, then it's pretty obvious to most that Keegan wasn't the right manager to bring in to this setup.

 

Either way, however you look at it, this has been a monumental screw up by Ashley. He's obviously lost most of the fans and I seriously doubt that he'll get them back again. He can kiss goodbye to his away games with the toon army, and I'm not sure I'm entirely happy with a man who can make such catastrophic errors of judgement in charge of this club.

 

Spot on.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Principles again. Its like saying to KK you're the boss but we don't quite trust your judgement. Yes 12m was great money but look at the bigger picture, we've lost KK over it (and other things).

 

Let's bear in mind that Milner asked for pay rise one year into his contract, and then put in a written transfer request when that was (rightly) refused. If you then get a £12 million bid for the player (and I don't think I've heard anyone say that wasn't a good price) you'd have to be stupid not to accept it. I can't see that the Board are in any way at fault there.

 

If Keegan resigned over selling a player of Milner's calibre for £12m then it's not Ashley that we should be protesting against.

 

If everything we're hearing is correct then Keegan was undermined, manipulated, lied to and made to look a fool by his employers. That took away all the trust and faith he had in them - they'd done it once so what would stop them doing it again? It doesn't matter what deal or potential 'solution' they put on the table, once he knew he couldn't trust them there was never a chance he would stick around. IMO Ashley and his team are 100% to blame for this. The first sign that Keegan wasn't happy with the way things were working should've prompted change - that was the only way this could've been avoided.  I'll never stop supporting Newcastle United but my love for the club has diminished after this sorry episode.

 

I know what you're saying, and I feel the same to a certain extent.

 

But saying 'If everything we're hearing is correct' is a massive if, that's almost certainly not true.

 

And why should the first sign that Keegan wasn't happy prompted change? It should have prompted discussions and compromise, yes, but not Ashley just doing whatever Keegan wanted. A football club can't be run like that.