Keegan to launch £9m unfair dismissal claim?

[Robster]

 

Perhaps he didn't want to meet with Llmabias? Either way he chose to resign rather than meet up face to face with someone from the club to sort it out.

 

A Newcastle statement said the club was "sad and disappointed" that he had resigned.

 

It added: "Over the last few days, the club has devoted itself to the discussions it has held with Kevin and as a result of those discussions had put together a set of practical suggestions for how to move forward.

 

"The club made it clear to Kevin that if he had any outstanding concerns on its proposals, he should raise them with the club.

 

"The club regrets that Kevin has, instead of taking up that offer, chosen to resign."

 

 

That could very well be true but thats a different angle to the story and one which doesnt paint Kevin in quite such a bad light.

But then he did meet with Ashley

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

 

 

One of the reporters on the Sunday Supplement said that one of the directors at the club had told him that the club offered to meet Keegan to sort it out but he didn't bother turning up for the appointment.

 

 

 

Dear me.

 

Yet you've been claiming in another thread that Ashley was trying to sell in the Summer because of what it said in the papers.

 

Contradicting yourself there lad.

 

I am just wondering about that particular statement because Kevin did come back to meet Ashley.

 

EDIT: it was reported that KK had flown in from Spain to meet Ashley. Not bad for a guy supposedly not prepared to turn up for an appointment

 

And what's he doing flying when he's fucking skint!

 

 

[NE5]

Oh and for the record, I do know Milner was sold despite assurances he wouldn't be. Assurances Ashley himself made when he said KK had final say on all matters relating to transfers in and out and that no player would be sold or bought without his say so.

 

Wake up people man FFS.

 

Why did Keegan say a few days before the end of the window he'd given the go ahead for him to leave then?

 

Did you see that press conference? Do you really believe for one moment he was happy to lose Milner?

 

So why didn't he "expose the board for who they really were" at that point, instead of waiting until the end of the window? I would imagine it had been pretty clear to Keegan that he didn't have the last word on things for a while upto that point, so should have walked earlier, or not at all.

 

eeerrrr............the answer to that is quite simple. They didn't realise until the end of the window, when it all became glaringly obvious. Respect to those who admitted they were wrong though.

 

 

[Baggio]

I love how Baggio quotes the .com write-up to back up the KK is skint line yet surely if he was skint he'd never have resigned in the first place, leaving that multi-million pound a year salary behind. He can't f***ing win. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

I'm sure that if his lawyers had told him he had no case for constructive dismissal then he's have been more likely to come back.

 

What do you think he was doing in those few days after storming out and leaving the club in limbo? He didn't have any intention of coming back straight away as he refused an offer from the club to meet up to try and iron out their differences, he was too busy with his lawyers getting their heads together to see if he could push for constructive dismissal so that he could get his pay off.

 

Ifs and more ifs Baggio. How do you know he didn't have any intention of coming back? How do you even know if there was an offer for him to come back? Do you even know for certain he is suing the club or even claiming constructive dismissal? No, do you fuck but it suits your argument or rather your drive to paint him in bad light simply because you love nothing better than to be contrary or go against the grain of popular opinion because in your own words its more fun than talking about what you really believe as you once told me in a PM

 

The fact lawyers (according to you anyway) believe he may have a case suggests he may be in the right and the club are in the wrong, what would you say to that if he won?

 

You'd probably call him a money grabbing bastard or use Gullit as the way to resign

 

Again damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

One of the reporters on the Sunday Supplement said that one of the directors at the club had told him that the club offered to meet Keegan to sort it out but he didn't bother turning up for the appointment.

 

 

 

and Steve Curry never misses a chance to heap praise and devotion on Newcastle. Do you believe everything you read and hear in the press ?

 

 

 

I thought you were a fan of the Sunday Supplement?

 

You were moaning a few pages back about people not believing what was in the press btw, now you've got a problem because I believe what was written in the press which was backed up by the club saying on their website that he refused any sort of suggestions on how he could come back.

[Baggio]

I guarantee the same KK critics would be the first people to jump on his back if KK done a Souness and hung on to be sacked for the compensation or if he just didn't give a s*** about being undermined and stayed on like some kind of door mat.

 

Here's a scenario for the KK critics who have had it in for him the day he walked.

 

Lets just say he never walked and accepted (because he's skint and needs the money and doesn't really love the club like he pretends) he wasn't going to get much of his own way in terms of buying and selling, but the club carried on with the line he had final say on such things anyway to keep the media sweet.

 

In January the club sell Michael Owen and fail to replace him. Eleswhere the squad needs quality added to it. In comes a few youngsters and some foreign unknowns.

 

Who do you blame not knowing KK is being undermined and not fully supported?

 

Who gets the flack? Many would point the finger at KK.

 

Now what would your reaction be if KK reacted to the flack aimed at him from some fans for failing to sign quality players and for letting Owen go without even replacing him if he said "blame the board, I don't have any real say on transfers"?

 

You'd f***ing hang him for putting up with it, for helping to dupe fans.

 

This board would go into meltdown.

 

Regardless of the details KK did the right thing for him to get out of Toon because he couldn't win. That's not me saying he won by walking, he's lost his income, he's upset fans, he's had to put up with negative media headlines, his character has been tainted.

 

But he still has his pride intact.

 

How anyone can question the motives of a man who when this club was on the bones of its arse on the verge of going bust when not even fans could be arsed with it anymore and with no money to pay people, he said yes to a job that would mean he would have to go without being paid with no guarantees he'd get recompensated and also have to pay Terry Mac's wages out of his own pocket. And to top it all off, do you know what he said to Sir John Hall while he was out there trying to buy up all the shares to take full control? That he'd give him his money back (SJH) and take over his shares and run the club himself. Now why would he leave his cushy life in Spain and take such a risk with his own money to answer the call of our at the time rather sad, little pathetic club with no money, prospects and gates that had fallen to 4,000 at the worst point? Because he fell in love with it as a player, because his dad was a Geordie, a Newcastle fan. Because he believed in the club when no fucker else outside of SJH would.

 

But Joe Kinnear accepts the job when no fucker else would and he's the dogs bollocks.

 

f*** off!

 

Btw SJH gets a lot of stick too, if it weren't for him and KK there wouldn't be a Newcastle United man.

 

You just have to look back at threads over the last few days of the transfer window and hardly anyone blamed Keegan for not getting all of the positions filled that we needed, so that point is miles off.

 

The rest is the usual boring rubbish that gets posted by people that think Keegan can do no wrong based on what he done here over a decade ago.

 

No because they were still dreaming about a wow signing and brimming with hope after Ashley's interview. I remember Roeder didn't get any stick until the transfer window closed and then as results suffered it was a stick to beat him with constantly. The same would have happened to KK once results suffered due to the lack of depth and real quality that never come in in the summer, guaranteed and you know it.

 

As for can do no wrong, he is not that man but for those questioning his motives and character I say provide me with some evidence to back up these doubts with some facts please, like the facts I posted above about him.

 

It shouldn't be too hard to prove he's skint or doesn't really love the club or engineered this given how often such claims are repeated on here as facts.

 

 

 

You're wrong, dig up the thread that was posted after midnight when the transfer window closed and see how many blamed Keegan.

[NE5]

I love how Baggio quotes the .com write-up to back up the KK is skint line yet surely if he was skint he'd never have resigned in the first place, leaving that multi-million pound a year salary behind. He can't f***ing win. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

I'm sure that if his lawyers had told him he had no case for constructive dismissal then he's have been more likely to come back.

 

What do you think he was doing in those few days after storming out and leaving the club in limbo? He didn't have any intention of coming back straight away as he refused an offer from the club to meet up to try and iron out their differences, he was too busy with his lawyers getting their heads together to see if he could push for constructive dismissal so that he could get his pay off.

 

Ifs and more ifs Baggio. How do you know he didn't have any intention of coming back? How do you even know if there was an offer for him to come back? Do you even know for certain he is suing the club or even claiming constructive dismissal? No, do you f*** but it suits your argument or rather your drive to paint him in bad light simply because you love nothing better than to be contrary or go against the grain of popular opinion because in your own words its more fun than talking about what you really believe as you once told me in a PM

 

The fact lawyers (according to you anyway) believe he may have a case suggests he may be in the right and the club are in the wrong, what would you say to that if he won?

 

You'd probably call him a money grabbing b****** or use Gullit as the way to resign

 

Again damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

One of the reporters on the Sunday Supplement said that one of the directors at the club had told him that the club offered to meet Keegan to sort it out but he didn't bother turning up for the appointment.

 

He probably feared a kicking....

 

One of. Reporter. Sunday Supplement. Told. Offered.

 

 

 

 

it was that Steve Curry  mackems.gif

 

One reporter. Who hates Newcastle. Like Samuel, Harris etc ..........

 

 

 

 

[Baggio]

 

Perhaps he didn't want to meet with Llmabias? Either way he chose to resign rather than meet up face to face with someone from the club to sort it out.

 

A Newcastle statement said the club was "sad and disappointed" that he had resigned.

 

It added: "Over the last few days, the club has devoted itself to the discussions it has held with Kevin and as a result of those discussions had put together a set of practical suggestions for how to move forward.

 

"The club made it clear to Kevin that if he had any outstanding concerns on its proposals, he should raise them with the club.

 

"The club regrets that Kevin has, instead of taking up that offer, chosen to resign."

 

 

That could very well be true but thats a different angle to the story and one which doesnt paint Kevin in quite such a bad light.

But then he did meet with Ashley

 

 

That could be true, nobody knows.

 

What is true is that he had the chance to meet up with the club while he was still employed but turned down the chance and preferred to resign, so if he wasn't going to come back in the few days he was away then what do you think he was doing? Crumpy said at the time he was with his lawyers making sure he got a pay off and in the end it looked to me that he was bang on.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I love how Baggio quotes the .com write-up to back up the KK is skint line yet surely if he was skint he'd never have resigned in the first place, leaving that multi-million pound a year salary behind. He can't f***ing win. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

I'm sure that if his lawyers had told him he had no case for constructive dismissal then he's have been more likely to come back.

 

What do you think he was doing in those few days after storming out and leaving the club in limbo? He didn't have any intention of coming back straight away as he refused an offer from the club to meet up to try and iron out their differences, he was too busy with his lawyers getting their heads together to see if he could push for constructive dismissal so that he could get his pay off.

 

Ifs and more ifs Baggio. How do you know he didn't have any intention of coming back? How do you even know if there was an offer for him to come back? Do you even know for certain he is suing the club or even claiming constructive dismissal? No, do you f*** but it suits your argument or rather your drive to paint him in bad light simply because you love nothing better than to be contrary or go against the grain of popular opinion because in your own words its more fun than talking about what you really believe as you once told me in a PM

 

The fact lawyers (according to you anyway) believe he may have a case suggests he may be in the right and the club are in the wrong, what would you say to that if he won?

 

You'd probably call him a money grabbing b****** or use Gullit as the way to resign

 

Again damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

One of the reporters on the Sunday Supplement said that one of the directors at the club had told him that the club offered to meet Keegan to sort it out but he didn't bother turning up for the appointment.

 

He probably feared a kicking....

 

One of. Reporter. Sunday Supplement. Told. Offered.

 

 

 

 

So it's not true then?

 

Didn't the club also say that they offered Keegan the chance to talk it through but he turned them down?

 

Aye, they sent it out in a letter

[Baggio]

I love how Baggio quotes the .com write-up to back up the KK is skint line yet surely if he was skint he'd never have resigned in the first place, leaving that multi-million pound a year salary behind. He can't f***ing win. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

I'm sure that if his lawyers had told him he had no case for constructive dismissal then he's have been more likely to come back.

 

What do you think he was doing in those few days after storming out and leaving the club in limbo? He didn't have any intention of coming back straight away as he refused an offer from the club to meet up to try and iron out their differences, he was too busy with his lawyers getting their heads together to see if he could push for constructive dismissal so that he could get his pay off.

 

Ifs and more ifs Baggio. How do you know he didn't have any intention of coming back? How do you even know if there was an offer for him to come back? Do you even know for certain he is suing the club or even claiming constructive dismissal? No, do you f*** but it suits your argument or rather your drive to paint him in bad light simply because you love nothing better than to be contrary or go against the grain of popular opinion because in your own words its more fun than talking about what you really believe as you once told me in a PM

 

The fact lawyers (according to you anyway) believe he may have a case suggests he may be in the right and the club are in the wrong, what would you say to that if he won?

 

You'd probably call him a money grabbing b****** or use Gullit as the way to resign

 

Again damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

 

One of the reporters on the Sunday Supplement said that one of the directors at the club had told him that the club offered to meet Keegan to sort it out but he didn't bother turning up for the appointment.

 

He probably feared a kicking....

 

One of. Reporter. Sunday Supplement. Told. Offered.

 

 

 

 

So it's not true then?

 

Didn't the club also say that they offered Keegan the chance to talk it through but he turned them down?

 

Aye, they sent it out in a letter

 

What's wrong with that?

 

In most cases where there is a dispute everything is done in writing just so all parties have a copy for future reference.

[Optimistic Nut]

In reality, if Keegan's in the right he could get a bit more than the £9m bandied about, because he could easily claim for libel against Ashley and the club against the infamous, "It is a fact that..." statement that the club released.

 

If he's not, and what was said in that statement was indeed correct, in that Wise, etc. had the final say on finances and transfers, I can't see how Keegan would have valid ground to make a claim.

 

If it's false and lies, by all means, I'm all for Keegan getting what he deserves in terms of his pay for the remainder of his contract, plus whatever he claims in damages for the false accusations.

 

 

[themanupstairs]

Where's this great post then NE5

 

looks like the thread about the deleted thread has been deleted because the deleted one has been undeleted

 

 

 

bit late I know, but 

[Optimistic Nut]

Oh and for the record, I do know Milner was sold despite assurances he wouldn't be. Assurances Ashley himself made when he said KK had final say on all matters relating to transfers in and out and that no player would be sold or bought without his say so.

 

Wake up people man FFS.

 

Why did Keegan say a few days before the end of the window he'd given the go ahead for him to leave then?

 

Did you see that press conference? Do you really believe for one moment he was happy to lose Milner?

 

So why didn't he "expose the board for who they really were" at that point, instead of waiting until the end of the window? I would imagine it had been pretty clear to Keegan that he didn't have the last word on things for a while upto that point, so should have walked earlier, or not at all.

 

eeerrrr............the answer to that is quite simple. They didn't realise until the end of the window, when it all became glaringly obvious. Respect to those who admitted they were wrong though.

 

 

 

So are you telling me that Keegan didn't know himself that he didn't have control until September 1st?

 

What a pile of sh*te man. Would make even more of a mockery of him walking out the following day if that was true mind.

[TRon]

In reality, if Keegan's in the right he could get a bit more than the £9m bandied about, because he could easily claim for libel against Ashley and the club against the infamous, "It is a fact that..." statement that the club released.

 

If he's not, and what was said in that statement was indeed correct, in that Wise, etc. had the final say on finances and transfers, I can't see how Keegan would have valid ground to make a claim.

 

If it's false and lies, by all means, I'm all for Keegan getting what he deserves in terms of his pay for the remainder of his contract, plus whatever he claims in damages for the false accusations.

 

 

 

That's my position as well. If an independent tribunal rules in his favour then fair play, although I'll be surprised. Any manager has to conduct transfer business according to the employers guidelines who will have to fund them at the end of the day. While there might be sympathy for Keegan's position it would be difficult to translate that into grounds for walking out and seeking compensation IMO.

[Optimistic Nut]

Not a bad few months work mind if he gets a £9m payoff, then the next owner comes in and hands him a £9m 3 and a half year contract is it.

[Tooj]

You know things have gone tits up when I find myself agreeing with HTT.

[UV]

I'm sure that if his lawyers had told him he had no case for constructive dismissal then he's have been more likely to come back.

 

What do you think he was doing in those few days after storming out and leaving the club in limbo? He didn't have any intention of coming back straight away as he refused an offer from the club to meet up to try and iron out their differences, he was too busy with his lawyers getting their heads together to see if he could push for constructive dismissal so that he could get his pay off.

 

 

Perhaps he didn't want to meet with Llmabias? Either way he chose to resign rather than meet up face to face with someone from the club to sort it out.

 

A Newcastle statement said the club was "sad and disappointed" that he had resigned.

 

It added: "Over the last few days, the club has devoted itself to the discussions it has held with Kevin and as a result of those discussions had put together a set of practical suggestions for how to move forward.

 

"The club made it clear to Kevin that if he had any outstanding concerns on its proposals, he should raise them with the club.

 

"The club regrets that Kevin has, instead of taking up that offer, chosen to resign."

 

 

That statement is from the 4th September, so is the club lying about the fact they had been in discussions with Keegan?

 

 

Keegan didn't leave the club in limbo, he resigned. It happens. You get a new manager and move on. The super duper system is supposed to make that easier, not harder. It's Ashley who is leaving the club in limbo while he made public his effort to look for a buyer while he can still profit from the mess he's caused..

[BottledDog]

I guarantee the same KK critics would be the first people to jump on his back if KK done a Souness and hung on to be sacked for the compensation or if he just didn't give a s*** about being undermined and stayed on like some kind of door mat.

 

Here's a scenario for the KK critics who have had it in for him the day he walked.

 

Lets just say he never walked and accepted (because he's skint and needs the money and doesn't really love the club like he pretends) he wasn't going to get much of his own way in terms of buying and selling, but the club carried on with the line he had final say on such things anyway to keep the media sweet.

 

In January the club sell Michael Owen and fail to replace him. Eleswhere the squad needs quality added to it. In comes a few youngsters and some foreign unknowns.

 

Who do you blame not knowing KK is being undermined and not fully supported?

 

Who gets the flack? Many would point the finger at KK.

 

Now what would your reaction be if KK reacted to the flack aimed at him from some fans for failing to sign quality players and for letting Owen go without even replacing him if he said "blame the board, I don't have any real say on transfers"?

 

You'd f***ing hang him for putting up with it, for helping to dupe fans.

 

This board would go into meltdown.

 

Regardless of the details KK did the right thing for him to get out of Toon because he couldn't win. That's not me saying he won by walking, he's lost his income, he's upset fans, he's had to put up with negative media headlines, his character has been tainted.

 

But he still has his pride intact.

 

How anyone can question the motives of a man who when this club was on the bones of its arse on the verge of going bust when not even fans could be arsed with it anymore and with no money to pay people, he said yes to a job that would mean he would have to go without being paid with no guarantees he'd get recompensated and also have to pay Terry Mac's wages out of his own pocket. And to top it all off, do you know what he said to Sir John Hall while he was out there trying to buy up all the shares to take full control? That he'd give him his money back (SJH) and take over his shares and run the club himself. Now why would he leave his cushy life in Spain and take such a risk with his own money to answer the call of our at the time rather sad, little pathetic club with no money, prospects and gates that had fallen to 4,000 at the worst point? Because he fell in love with it as a player, because his dad was a Geordie, a Newcastle fan. Because he believed in the club when no fucker else outside of SJH would.

 

But Joe Kinnear accepts the job when no fucker else would and he's the dogs bollocks.

 

f*** off!

 

Btw SJH gets a lot of stick too, if it weren't for him and KK there wouldn't be a Newcastle United man.

 

You just have to look back at threads over the last few days of the transfer window and hardly anyone blamed Keegan for not getting all of the positions filled that we needed, so that point is miles off.

 

The rest is the usual boring rubbish that gets posted by people that think Keegan can do no wrong based on what he done here over a decade ago.

 

No because they were still dreaming about a wow signing and brimming with hope after Ashley's interview. I remember Roeder didn't get any stick until the transfer window closed and then as results suffered it was a stick to beat him with constantly. The same would have happened to KK once results suffered due to the lack of depth and real quality that never come in in the summer, guaranteed and you know it.

 

As for can do no wrong, he is not that man but for those questioning his motives and character I say provide me with some evidence to back up these doubts with some facts please, like the facts I posted above about him.

 

It shouldn't be too hard to prove he's skint or doesn't really love the club or engineered this given how often such claims are repeated on here as facts.

 

 

 

You're wrong, dig up the thread that was posted after midnight when the transfer window closed and see how many blamed Keegan.

 

Bang on. One of the byproducts of the new setup was that anger over signings would be directed at Jiminez or Wise or the board, taking much of the pressure away from Keegan. That's something Keegan understandably felt he could not work under and so under the team in place that system failed, but that's not the arguement.

Why HTT is bringing up Roeder, I haven't a clue. It was the traditional setup where the manager is seen (whether true or not in the case of Roeder) as being in charge of finding players and getting the best deals, so of course he was going to be the one to get stick if it went wrong.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

So Ashley is allowed to profit from the club despite messing it up because he's a businessman yet KK isn't allowed to go for something (if true) that his legal team believe he's entitled to? Double standards.

[Isegrim]

Not a bad few months work mind if he gets a £9m payoff, then the next owner comes in and hands him a £9m 3 and a half year contract is it.

 

I've not too much of an idea of the English compensation system. But I guess any compensation is primarly based on the idea of lost earnings and therefore would be void if Keegan got reinstalled. I don't think he can cash in twice.

[Guest Slippery Sam]

I'd love to know just how close Bastian Schweinsteiger was to coming. The reports claim that he was close to signing. If, and it's a big if, he was expected to come, it would point to a high class approach to the transfer window, rather than the ultra cautious 'unknown and cheap' approach which is what the current board are being hit with. Maybe one day we'll find out. Perhaps Keegan agreed to the Milner sale expecting Schweingsteiger coming in ??

[biggs]

Baggio is a poor WUM who still has pictures of KK on his wall mark my words. He's told me in the past he likes to play the devils advocate and will be contrary to that effect to get a reaction. Its a shame he doesn't post his real thoughts too often though which is what I and others I imagine would really prefer debating rather than some poor parody of Vic he's assumed in his absence....

 

Crumpy Gunt seems to have a similar approach but I'm not really too sure if it's too far from what they're really thinking in any case. Personally I don't like either attitude towards Keegan, whether it's belittling his past service to this club (which is massive and unrivalled) or believing he is infallible or incapable of putting himself first before the club.

 

It's perfectly possible, of course, to give due credit to what he did for the club in the past, whilst acknowledging his faults at the same time. He was the right man for the job in 1992, and the wrong man in 2008.

 

 

Funny because he very much felt like the right man for the job as we were thrashing Spurs away 4-1 or drawing 1-1 at Old Trafford.

 

People seem unable to or willing to concede that while walking out hasn't helped matters which I agree with by the way, the people really at fault are those that caused him to take such action and are therefore the wrong people for this club.

 

Do you know exactly what happened behind the scenes at NUFC this summer?

 

Its simple, you appoint a manager and you back that man 100%. They didn't so are at fault. I don't really care about the details. All I know is a very good manager who had the team going in the right direction and enjoyed the rare unanimous backing of fans (a crucial ingredient here at Newcastle) didn't get the support his position as manager demanded for reasons yes we can only really speculate on but still, have proved very costly for this club.

 

KK would walk 10 times out of 10 if not backed 100% or if undermined which has obviously happened for him to quit a job no-one can deny he obviously loved doing.

 

Any manager worth their salt would walk. Fergie would be out the door tomorrow if Man Utd sold Ronaldo behind his back or signed a player without consulting him. Wenger too. Most would.

 

Regardless of KK walking, the people who run our club haven't done anything that suggests they are the right people for the club, before and since. Prior to KK being apointed, the Ashley enjoyed what I'd call good will from fans which meant he didn't really have to do anything of note to have our support and that's exactly what he did - nothing of note. When he brought KK back it was something of note. It showed ambition and a sense of wanting what we want but he didn't back it up resulting in his moment of glory if you like proving to be nothing but an empty gesture.

 

If Ashley were the right man for this club he'd have resolved this a long time ago now and KK would still be our manager. All KK asked for was to be backed which I think he had a damn right to not only expect but demand as the manager, a good manager, proving himself out on the pitch where it matters. For whatever reason which I have said I don't really care about (the details), Ashley did not support the man he appointed 100% and I find that incomprehensible especially factoring the total none entities that survived. As far as I'm concerned if he rates Wise more important to his club than KK then why the f*** didn't he make Wise manager before he went for KK. The answer, he doesn't have a clue. Stick to selling cheap clobber Mike.

 

Btw not backing your manager, the man you appoint, its like us not getting behind the team despite claiming to be fans of the club. Not on.

Very well said and i agree entirely .

[Isegrim]

I'd love to know just how close Bastian Schweinsteiger was to coming. The reports claim that he was close to signing. If, and it's a big if, he was expected to come, it would point to a high class approach to the transfer window, rather than the ultra cautious 'unknown and cheap' approach which is what the current board are being hit with. Maybe one day we'll find out. Perhaps Keegan agreed to the Milner sale expecting Schweingsteiger coming in ??

As close as the earth is to the moon iyam.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I guarantee the same KK critics would be the first people to jump on his back if KK done a Souness and hung on to be sacked for the compensation or if he just didn't give a s*** about being undermined and stayed on like some kind of door mat.

 

Here's a scenario for the KK critics who have had it in for him the day he walked.

 

Lets just say he never walked and accepted (because he's skint and needs the money and doesn't really love the club like he pretends) he wasn't going to get much of his own way in terms of buying and selling, but the club carried on with the line he had final say on such things anyway to keep the media sweet.

 

In January the club sell Michael Owen and fail to replace him. Eleswhere the squad needs quality added to it. In comes a few youngsters and some foreign unknowns.

 

Who do you blame not knowing KK is being undermined and not fully supported?

 

Who gets the flack? Many would point the finger at KK.

 

Now what would your reaction be if KK reacted to the flack aimed at him from some fans for failing to sign quality players and for letting Owen go without even replacing him if he said "blame the board, I don't have any real say on transfers"?

 

You'd f***ing hang him for putting up with it, for helping to dupe fans.

 

This board would go into meltdown.

 

Regardless of the details KK did the right thing for him to get out of Toon because he couldn't win. That's not me saying he won by walking, he's lost his income, he's upset fans, he's had to put up with negative media headlines, his character has been tainted.

 

But he still has his pride intact.

 

How anyone can question the motives of a man who when this club was on the bones of its arse on the verge of going bust when not even fans could be arsed with it anymore and with no money to pay people, he said yes to a job that would mean he would have to go without being paid with no guarantees he'd get recompensated and also have to pay Terry Mac's wages out of his own pocket. And to top it all off, do you know what he said to Sir John Hall while he was out there trying to buy up all the shares to take full control? That he'd give him his money back (SJH) and take over his shares and run the club himself. Now why would he leave his cushy life in Spain and take such a risk with his own money to answer the call of our at the time rather sad, little pathetic club with no money, prospects and gates that had fallen to 4,000 at the worst point? Because he fell in love with it as a player, because his dad was a Geordie, a Newcastle fan. Because he believed in the club when no fucker else outside of SJH would.

 

But Joe Kinnear accepts the job when no fucker else would and he's the dogs bollocks.

 

f*** off!

 

Btw SJH gets a lot of stick too, if it weren't for him and KK there wouldn't be a Newcastle United man.

 

You just have to look back at threads over the last few days of the transfer window and hardly anyone blamed Keegan for not getting all of the positions filled that we needed, so that point is miles off.

 

The rest is the usual boring rubbish that gets posted by people that think Keegan can do no wrong based on what he done here over a decade ago.

 

No because they were still dreaming about a wow signing and brimming with hope after Ashley's interview. I remember Roeder didn't get any stick until the transfer window closed and then as results suffered it was a stick to beat him with constantly. The same would have happened to KK once results suffered due to the lack of depth and real quality that never come in in the summer, guaranteed and you know it.

 

As for can do no wrong, he is not that man but for those questioning his motives and character I say provide me with some evidence to back up these doubts with some facts please, like the facts I posted above about him.

 

It shouldn't be too hard to prove he's skint or doesn't really love the club or engineered this given how often such claims are repeated on here as facts.

 

 

 

You're wrong, dig up the thread that was posted after midnight when the transfer window closed and see how many blamed Keegan.

 

Bang on. One of the byproducts of the new setup was that anger over signings would be directed at Jiminez or Wise or the board, taking much of the pressure away from Keegan. That's something Keegan understandably felt he could not work under and so under the team in place that system failed, but that's not the arguement.

Why HTT is bringing up Roeder, I haven't a clue. It was the traditional setup where the manager is seen (whether true or not in the case of Roeder) as being in charge of finding players and getting the best deals, so of course he was going to be the one to get stick if it went wrong.

 

I brought Roeder up because prior to the closure of the transfer window he wasn't getting much flack with regards to players coming in and players going out, when it shut and results suffered due to lack of quality and depth not added in the window, he inevitably got flack even though he wasn't really fully in control of buying and selling. The same would have happened to KK, after all he is responsible for buying and selling. Or so we and he himself thought. In short he couldn't win had he stayed on. He ran the risk of losing the confidence and trust of his players and the fans, he'd already lost the trust and confidence of the board who decided to undermine him. Being undermined is catastrophic for any manager never mind losing the trust of the players and fans, all 3 is unthinkable to any manager.

 

If this had all happened under the hated Freddy Shepherd, i.e. he was undermining KK and as a result KK resigned, there wouldn't be a bad word against KK and everyone would be unanimous in who to direct the blame towards. Guaranteed.

[Dave]

I'd love to know just how close Bastian Schweinsteiger was to coming. The reports claim that he was close to signing. If, and it's a big if, he was expected to come, it would point to a high class approach to the transfer window, rather than the ultra cautious 'unknown and cheap' approach which is what the current board are being hit with. Maybe one day we'll find out. Perhaps Keegan agreed to the Milner sale expecting Schweingsteiger coming in ??

As close as the earth is to the moon iyam.

 

Pretty close in context?

[Guest Edd]

I'd love to know just how close Bastian Schweinsteiger was to coming. The reports claim that he was close to signing. If, and it's a big if, he was expected to come, it would point to a high class approach to the transfer window, rather than the ultra cautious 'unknown and cheap' approach which is what the current board are being hit with. Maybe one day we'll find out. Perhaps Keegan agreed to the Milner sale expecting Schweingsteiger coming in ??

As close as the earth is to the moon iyam.

 

Yeah and some around here still think the earth is flat.  Time to move on people.